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Big things (to me) for this round are Xanadu, the SRA (both the insurance rebrand and the repealing announcement), meeting with Shego, looking for Star and Marco (I and most of the thread seem to be leaning towards using the detectives), and investigating Toffee.

Of medium importance (again, to me) are the AI improvements and fixing Norm.

And finally, since we have at least another turn to deal with him, Hawk is something that I think should wait until next turn.

There's also definitely something important I've forgotten but it's now 4 am so I'm gonna hop off the thread.
 
Since I think the voting will commence while I'm asleep, I'm going to put my vote in now, if that's okay?

[X] Plan: Anti-Toffee Questosaurus

Also, this thread started two months ago. I'm in two Quests that have been around for at least two years and haven't hit 750 pages (though Devourer of Worlds gets close at 738).
 
Rivenscryr said:
You are incorrect. The DC was stated as being reduced due to Supers knowledge, not for any other reason, so I would thank you not to interject your rather cynical views into this. Because, honestly, it would be pretty cruel for the GM to have Mirage release a report that advises us to act quickly, with the next available opportunity already being too late.
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I was not talking about the DC, couldnt even care less regarding it. I meant the situation as a whole in relation to Doof.

And I would like to point out that ignoring the seemingly overblown issue of SRA Talking Points is neither cynical nor is it out of character to Doof.
 
While I have a time, here is my plan.

[ ] Plan: Hego on Xandu with Wings.
-[ ] National Actions
--[ ] Dinosaur Cavalry (Wile E. Coyote)
--[ ] Campaign against the SRA (Goofy)
--[ ] Reach out to Shego (Vanessa)
--[ ] Rebrand Insuricare's anti-Super Policies (Mirage)
--[ ] Develop a new Social Media Platform (Phineas & Ferb)
--[ ] Wing the Hawk
---[ ] Subvert Hawk (Agent Russ)
-[ ] Look for Star and Marco (Tobe and the Vagabond Ninja)
-[ ] Investigate the Middleton Drug Cartel (Dickens Detective Agency, Medium)
-[ ] Survey GalFed Ship (Dr. Jumba Jookiba)
-[ ] Research Silphium (Queen Lizzy)
-[ ] Research alchemy (Dennis)
--[ ] Buy out a Rival Corporation
---[ ] Lee Industries (L.O.V.E.M.U.F.F.I.N.)

-[ ] Personal Actions
--[ ] Doof
---[ ] Read your Spellbook
---[ ] Hire the Dickens Detective Agency (Medium)
----[ ] ] Investigate the Middleton Drug Cartel
---[ ] Tinker with your Inators
---[ ] Chat with Bossman
----[ ] Goofy
--[ ] Major Francis Monogram (Reorganize OWCA)
--[ ] Norm Prime (Be Incapacitated)
--[ ] TECHNOR (Psychoanalyze: Janna Ordonia)

-[ ] Miscellaneous:
--[ ] Don't Overclock TECHNOR
--[ ] Activate an Inator
-[ ] Item Assignments:
--[ ] Ruby Wings: Hego

Quest
-[ ] You Made Me Love Xanadu
--[ ] Genghis Khan
--[ ] Janna Ordonia
--[ ] Max
--[ ] Ludivine Von Drake
--[ ] Hego (with Wings)

Reasoning:

Martial:
Coyote on Cavalry since he is expert on running birdlike creatures. Also since Cavalry is PMC upgrade maybe it will lower reorganize PMC DC.

Diplo:
Recruit from rolodex DC 70. Vanessa max bonus 18+14+2+10=44,so I prefer to go with initial plan and Reach for Shego which DC 40 we can't fail. I don't really care about all this anti-SRA hype, but recent DC drop makes it's doable, so it's better to do it , than just return to it again and again.

Stewardship:
Insurecare, Social Media and Lee industries were discussed at length, and I am not original here, so there really nothing to add.

Intrigue:
Russ on subverting Hawk because while it's true that our intrigue bonus against Doom will hold for a couple more turns, I would prefer to take intrigue action against Doom for EVERY turn, as long as bonus active.

Tobe on Search for Star and Marko probably most dubious among my decisions, but hear me out. I find it very very unlikely, that even Comodore will find Star in one turn. Most likely we will learn about her next sighting or gain access to some quest. If it's next sighting in someone else territory, it will have higher DC, which makes it more likely that current ??? actually not very high, and it would be good to first start small (sending Tobe and not wasting our money) and bring Commodore on it later. And in case we find quest, usually unit doing investigation gains DC reduction for team, and with Commodore we won't be able to bring him with us. Also Tobe as one of occult units has additional possibility of finding some magical leads.

Dickens Detective Agency( Medium) on drug Cartel since people wanted it investigated for a long time and working through intermediaries negate concerns about Shego.

Learning:
Research Silphium with Queen Lizzy since it's interesting, and has low DC. And Ai can wait for Wendy for better results.
Jookiba on Survey GalFed Ship

Occult:
Dennis on alchemy.

Quest

Ludivine brings learning and diplo, and Hego for once actually useful and increase team stewardship. And with wings he is most likely safe.
 
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TimEd said:
I was not talking about the DC, couldnt even care less regarding it. I meant the situation as a whole in relation to Doof.

And I would like to point out that ignoring the seemingly overblown issue of SRA Talking Points is neither cynical nor is it out of character to Doof.
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Is it? In the show whenever anyone (or thing) slighted him he would go to great lengths to either prove them wrong or beat them in a petty way. (Doof made a device that made mountain out of literal molehills because people used that saying to him a lot). I would think completely ignoring doom after he has slighted doof is way more out of character then responding.
 
Maybe shoot back that we don't consider supers a separate species and thus see no need to distinguish between them and humans 90% of the time, the SRA is unconstitutional because it's government sponsored discrimination which violates several amendments. The helpfulness, heroism, or lack there of among the powered set is largely irrelevant, because unlike some people We aren't such total Nazi's that we have to make a big deal out of each population we're not oppressing this week. Do you want a medal for not kicking a puppy for a whole day too?
 
KA$H said:
Maybe spending time with norm will help us accept ges our child, which will in turn lower ai?
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It wouldn't lower AI, though a good enough roll (most likely a crit) on something like that could probably heighten the chance of such a result from the introspection action.
Bardic_Knowledge said:
Also, this thread started two months ago. I'm in two Quests that have been around for at least two years and haven't hit 750 pages (though Devourer of Worlds gets close at 738).
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I didn't actually realize this quest was that young. I never looked at the start date, so I just assumed it had been going for a while when I joined due to the sheer number of chapters. Neat.

Another point of interest: I apparently have made approximately 10% (491 posts) of all posts in my 5 years on SV in this quest in the one and a half month I've since I found it. What a ride! The only other thread that comes close is PoC with 9.5% (457 posts) of all my posts on SV.

It does help that this is the first busy thread since PoC I can legitimately engage with in some fashion and be taken at least semi-seriously.
 
[] Plan: Popularity Not Guaranteed
-[] National Actions:
--[] Outfit PMC With Energy Weapons (Hego) (CoS: 76%, 86% w/ XP)
--[] Campaign Against The SRA (Goofy) (CoS: 66%, 76% w/ XP)
--[] Recruit From Your Rolodex (Kitsune) (Mirage) (CoS: 76%, 86% w/ XP)
--[] Develop a new social media platform (Phineas and Ferb) (CoS: 78%, 88% w/ XP)
--[] Comedize your supply line (Wile E. Coyote, Genius) (CoS: 51%, 61% w/ XP)
--[] Investigate the Middleton Drug Cartel (Agent Russ) (CoS: 69%, 79% w/ XP)
--[] Investigate Toffee (Major Francis Monogram) (CoS: 59%, 69% w/ XP)
--[] Survey GalFed ship (Dr. Jumba Jookiba) (CoS: 99%, 99% w/ XP)
--[] Decentralize Your Normbots (Queen Lizzie) (CoS: 92%, 99% w/ XP)
--[] Research Alchemy (Tobe and the Vagabond Ninja) (CoS: 37%, 47% w/ XP)
--[] Buy out Lee Industries (L.O.V.E.M.U.F.F.I.N.) (CoS: 78%, 88% w/ XP)
--[] Search for Star and Marco (Dickens Detective Agency (Bonuses Estimated)) (CoS: 75%, 85% w/ XP)

-[] Personal Actions:
--[] Doof:
---[] Read your Spellbook (120/150)
---[] Hire the Dickens Detective Agency (Large)
---[] Summon Malifishmertz
---[] Chat with the Bossman: Goofy
--[] Goofy (Work for Dr. D: Recruit From Your Rolodex (Kitsune))
--[] Major Francis Monogram (Work for Doctor Doofenshmirtz: Investigate Toffee)
--[] Wile E. Coyote, Genius (Work for the Bossman: Comedize your supply line)
--[] Genghis Khan (Quest: You Made Me Love Xanadu)
--[] Agent Russ (Work for the Good Doctor: Investigate the Middleton Drug Cartel)
--[] Norm Prime (Be Incapacitated)
--[] Hego (Work for your evil boss: Outfit PMC With Energy Weapons)
--[] Dennis the Duck (Search for an Instructor)
--[] TECHNOR (Psychoanalyze: Janna Ordonia)
--[] Max (Quest: You Made Me Love Xanadu)
--[] Mirage (Work for Dr. Heinz: Campaign Against The SRA)
--[] Vanessa (Go To A Rave)
--[] Janna Ordonia (Quest: You Made Me Love Xanadu)
--[] Dr. Jumba Jookiba (Work for fellow Evil Genius: Survey GalFed ship)
--[] Ludivine von Drake (Quest: You Made Me Love Xanadu)
--[] Queen Lizzie (Work for the Boss: Decentralize Your Normbots)
--[] Tobe and the Vagabond Ninja (Work for Sensei: Research Alchemy)
--[] Phineas and Ferb (Work for your Summer boss: Develop a new social media platform)

-[] Miscellaneous:
--[] Don't Overclock TECHNOR
--[] Activate an Inator
-[] Item Assignments:
--[] Ruby Wings: Genghis Khan

-[] Quests:
--[] You Made Me Love Xanadu (Martial: 96, Diplomacy: 42, Stewardship: 43, Intrigue: 50, Learning: 59, Occult: 34)
---[] Quest Leader: Genghis Khan
---[] Janna Ordonia
---[] Max
---[] Ludivine von Drake

For justification of some of my controversial choices:

-Why no Shego? I don't want a Diplomatic monofocus in the super question and I want a recruitment, Kitsune being the most urgent because of her possible mention in the Interlude.

-Why no Insuricare? It means taking a big hit in our income, so I want to do it in collaboration with Shego. She is one of the recognized powers within cape/super sub-culture and if her bank account is also on the line, she will help us manage risks. That means delaying Insuricare by 1-2 turns.

-Why Comedize? Income increase, lower DC for castle relocation, argument against Doom if he gets started again on "why do you do this Toon stuff".

-Sending Monogram to investigate Toffee? WTF? Looking at his hero profile, he has a trait that gives him +10 to infiltration against enemies with DC below 100, which makes him more suitable for this than Tobe. Also, he may appreciate being allowed to do his thing against evil guys again.

-Why Von Drake in Xanadu? People want her investigating Robo-Doppelganger AI, which is simply inacceptable to me. Its current 110 DC makes this inacceptable to me, since her trait may kick in and punt us into the Flubber Power PR disaster, so I'd rather put Lizzie in Learning doing something lower priority but that strikes me as important and have Von Drake contribute to the quest.
 
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Just a random thought I had. How do corroborations with other people work?

The martial upgrade is really high. Could we corroborate with shego on it?

She has the highest martial we've seen so far. Could we ask her for help?

And how would it work mathwise? Doofs martial plus khans plus shegos plus shegos hero plus assorted loyalty and miscellaneous bonuses? If that's correct then we would start at well over 100 points.

And if that works we could corroborate with Xanatos to form a coven as well.

Is this workable or am I fundamentally getting something wrong about working with other people?
 
King Arthur said:
I've got to ask, would Insuricare still be making a profit once things get stabilized, or are we going to be operating at a loss here?
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It is insurance. It will keep making a profit until and unless the costs of payouts and other operating costs exceed the income generated from premiums. Insurance plans are designed to try and minimise that possibility by setting premiums commensurate with the risks and potential payouts involved.

The insurance company uses their actuaries and experts to make a probability estimate for how likely they are to have to payout. Then they calculate something like estimated probability of having to payout * amount in payout (e.g 0.01 * $10,000 = 100), then they increase it to cover operating expenses, profit and to err on the side of caution. It is a gamble but one the insurance company tries to bias in their favour so on average they earn more from each customer then they have to pay out.

Why do people get insurance when chances are they will lose more than they ever gain? A few main reasons

Insecure finances can be reason. If you have saved enough emergency/spare money to be able to replace something out of pocket then insuring it generally doesn't make sense because again chances are you will just lose money. If it is something that you can't replace and it is necessary for your income (e.g a car) then insurance can make sense in order to protect that income (even though after enough time you may well pay more than it cost to buy in the first place).

It can also be because you think you can exploit the system. E.g A company designs a medical insurance plan and premium based on statistics of the general population. A disproportionate number of smokers and others at higher risk of health complications sign up. The insurance company sees a lot more payouts than expected and raises premiums. The healthy people don't like paying more to subsidise the sick people and leave for a cheaper policy. The insurance company has to raise premiums even more to cover the sick people and the sick people can't pay. That sort of thing is why insurance cares so much about knowing all the different factors and deductions. There is also regular old insurance fraud where you fix the results.

It can also be because of legal requirements or to get access to stuff like service provider discounts.

How profitable Insuricare business model is after our changes depends on exactly what changes we make. My impression is that we would stop Insuricare from overpricing super insurance and/or selling it separately from regular disaster insurance. In the latter case then Ideally we would set up premiums so that the only people paying increased premiums would be the people paying super insurance anyway, i.e people in super-villain cities. We would also ensure restrictions so the standard package only pays out for incidental damage of supervillain fights and evil schemes but not if the villain deliberately targets you in particular. I don't want people deliberately provoking villains, dressing up in costume to burn down their own house or our enemies targeting our insured buildings to effect our finances.

Also note that super-villain events are largely unpredictable and can cause widespread damage. A bit like earthquakes. A big one can cause a lot of money to be payed out at the same time. This means the insurance will need to keep a much larger supply of liquid funds available in case of such an eventuality and they can have a massive impact on the financial situation of the company.
 
[ x] Rebrand Insuricare's anti-Super Policies
[x] talk to shego
[x] hire kitsune (best occult choice for recruitment with upcoming auction and increasing magic enemies and treasures)
[x] queen Lizzie should research excavation tech (for the worldwide mystical treasure hunt)
[x] tobe and the vagabond ninja should do speed dating
[ X]Campaign Against the SRA
assign goofy and monogram to this
[x] doofensmrirtz should Read your Spellbook
[x ] techno's should Psychoanalyze Stanley as he has some useful tech
[ X] You Made Me Love Xanadu
take along temujin, janna and max
[ x] mirage should Recruit new talent
[x] jumbo work on evil experiments
[x] Form a Coven for the occult action
 
snaketail1 said:
[ x] Rebrand Insuricare's anti-Super Policies
[x] talk to shego
[x] hire kitsune (best occult choice for recruitment with upcoming auction and increasing magic enemies and treasures)
[x] queen Lizzie should research excavation tech (for the worldwide mystical treasure hunt)
[x] tobe and the vagabond ninja should do speed dating
[ X]Campaign Against the SRA
assign goofy and monogram to this
[x] doofensmrirtz should Read your Spellbook
[x ] techno's should Psychoanalyze Stanley as he has some useful tech
[ X] You Made Me Love Xanadu
take along temujin, janna and max
[ x] mirage should Recruit new talent
[x] jumbo work on evil experiments
[x] Form a Coven for the occult action
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No voting yet, there's a twelve hour moratorium.
 
@Made in Heaven, wasn't Janna's loyalty supposed to go up? After we promised to help her find Marco and Star?
Made in Heaven said:
[ ] "Now, we go get your friends." (Janna remains a hero unit; Janna gains a permanent loyalty bonus; options to search for Star and Marco open; Janna will expect you to make an effort towards finding Star and Marco soon)
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Made in Heaven said:
Janna gains a permanent loyalty bonus
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Her current loyalty is still at 50.
 
One thing I forgot to ask. I noticed every plan has the "regular" variation of lobby against the SRA. Does that mean you guys aren't gonna try the collab with Xanatos over it? Don't really care too much. Just realized that option kinda stopped being talked about all of a sudden.
 
PyrrosWarrior said:
This part just caught my eye in the Dino Farming action. This means that we might be approached by the Muppet or Ratatouille chefs for some kind of food deal. That could potentially help along building our relations and income as well.
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I suspect that would be part of the ??? Listed in the rewards for that action, yes.

At the moment, only two plans take it that I am aware of - Plan: It Was His Sled, with Hego overseeing it, and Plan: I Have the Honor to be Your Benevolent Overlord, H. Doof, with Mirage

PyrrosWarrior said:
One thing I forgot to ask. I noticed every plan has the "regular" variation of lobby against the SRA. Does that mean you guys aren't gonna try the collab with Xanatos over it? Don't really care too much. Just realized that option kinda stopped being talked about all of a sudden.
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The GM mentioned that collaborating with Xanatos to lobby against the SRA wasn't an option, since he'd already come out with his position.
 
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Regarding Kitsune, if you plan to take her on Auction then what will you do with Janna? Stacking two occult heroes, while Doof is in the lead absolutely pointless, and with full Doof troop bonus Janna probably has better stats. Why not recruit Juniper for that occult action or Wendy for AI?
 
Made in Heaven said:
ACME acquisition: +2
DoofOS release: +9
Semuncia from Castle Doofhawk: +2
Disney acquisition: +2
Evil Job Benefits: -5
Greevil Power release: +2
Chicken Itza Loot: +2
Chicken Itza excavation: +5
Setting money aside: -5
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Total Income: 14
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Not to sound too negative, but...
  • You're mixing one-time cash infusions, steady company incomes, one-time expenses, and repeated expenditures. "Total Income" is a misnomer for what you're using it as.
  • Will the companies generate income yearly or quarterly?
  • Why does Rebranding Insuricare bring a "Significant loss of income" when according to your list the company doesn't generate any income in the first place? I seriously doubt that the new policies would be so economically unsustainable as to get Insuricare into the red permanently.
 
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