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TimEd said:
Negative Income perhaps? And the no + to income could be that the income is basically chump change to Doof
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I think it's more like, our actions and hero ensemble are supported by the megacorp income. That's why we don't need to worry about money when taking actions that would usually cost money like architecture modifications or robot upgrade, nor do we pay upkeep for our army.

The cash report is for stuff that actually impacts our bottom line, and going into negative means we're working on a tighter budget. Only doing actions that generate more immediate liquidity to compensate, lets us do cash intensive actions again.
 
Alex Sol said:
Regarding Kitsune, if you plan to take her on Auction then what will you do with Janna? Stacking two occult heroes, while Doof is in the lead absolutely pointless, and with full Doof troop bonus Janna probably has better stats. Why not recruit Juniper for that occult action or Wendy for AI?
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Well, if Kitsune has a better Occult than Janna, possibly even if thr Doof Troop, then we can just have Janna search for Star and Marco, or have her participate in another quest, like the Wasteland one. And, if Kitsune doesn't have better Occult vs Janna+Doof Troop, then she'll still have better Occult than Tobe and his Vagabonds, so we can out her on an Occult action while put Tobe on an Intrigue action.
 
On Questosaurus, I could swap Mirage in for Wile E. on Insuricare, put Tobe on Toffee, and Wile E. on his ACME personal action. Thoughts on if this change would be better/worse? I like the speed dating for thr ninjas but it can wait. I also considered Monogram but OWCA needs to get fixed ASAP.

TheGleeman said:
...Wow, so many plans and yet none seem ideal (Although @Simon_Jester and @Alex Sol came closest)
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Which actions were you looking to do this round?
 
weredrago2 said:
On Questosaurus, I could swap Mirage in for Wile E. on Insuricare, put Tobe on Toffee, and Wile E. on his ACME personal action. Thoughts on if this change would be better/worse? I like the speed dating for thr ninjas but it can wait. I also considered Monogram but OWCA needs to get fixed ASAP.
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I'd prefer it stay the way you currently have it, though I'll vote for it either way.
 
weredrago2 said:
Which actions were you looking to do this round?
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Stuff that in my mind needs to be done next turn:

- SRA repeal combined with Insuricare reformation to deal with Dooms BS rhetoric of us not caring about Supers
- Reaching out to Shego to at least attempt to present a unified front against both the drug cartell and Toffee
- Investigating Toffee to have something graspable to present to both Xanatos and preferably Shego as well
- Looking for Star/Marco, preferably by lobbing the Commodore at them (expensive as fuck, but we kinda promised to get to that ASAP and he simply gives us the best possible payout in that regard)
- Doing some kind of Intrigue attack against Doom to benefit from the chink in his armor we created last turn

Other than, that I am pretty open (although for Technor, I´d prefer to analyze either Janna or Max)
 
[] Plan:
-[] National Actions:
--[] Dinosaur Cavalry (Wile E. Coyote, Genius) (CoS: 66%, 76% w/ XP)

--[] Reach out to Shego (Vanessa) (CoS: 95%, 99% w/ XP)
--[] Campaign against the SRA (Goofy) (CoS: 66%, 76% w/ XP)
--[] Develop a new social media platform (Phineas and Ferb) (CoS: 78%, 88% w/ XP)
--[] Rebrand Insuricare (Hego) (CoS: 49%, 59% w/ XP)
--[] Subvert Hawk (Agent Russ) (CoS: ???+58)
--[] Investigate The Middleton Drug Ring (Mirage) (CoS: 57.%, 67% w/ XP)
--[] Survey Galfed Ship (Dr. Jumba Jookiba) (CoS: 99%, 99% w/ XP)
--[] Research Adaptive Anti-Cape AI (Ludivine von Drake) (CoS: 73%, 83% w/ XP)
--[] Alchemy (Tobe and the Vagabond Ninja) (CoS: 37%, 47% w/ XP)

--[] Buy out Lee Industries? (L.O.V.E.M.U.F.F.I.N.) (CoS: 74%, 84% w/ XP)
--[] Look for Star and Marco (Dickens Detective Agency (Bonuses Estimated)) (CoS: ???+59)
-[] Personal Actions:
--[] Doof:
---[] Read your Spellbook (120/150)
---[] Hire the Dickens Detective Agency (Large)
---[] Summon Malifishmertz
---[] Tinker with your Inators
--[] Goofy (Work for Dr. D: Campaign against the SRA)
--[] Major Francis Monogram (Reorganize OWCA (127/250))
--[] Wile E. Coyote, Genius (Work for the Bossman: Dinosaur Cavalry )
--[] Genghis Khan (Quest: You Made Me Love Xanadu)
--[] Agent Russ (Work for the Good Doctor: Subvert Hawk)
--[] Norm Prime (Be Incapacitated)
--[] Hego (Work for your evil boss: Rebrand Insuricare)
--[] Dennis the Duck (Search for an Instructor)
--[] TECHNOR (Psychoanalyze: Janna Ordonia)
--[] Max (Quest: You Made Me Love Xanadu)
--[] Mirage (Work for Dr. Heinz: Investigate The Middleton Drug Ring)
--[] Vanessa (Work for dad: Reach out to Shego)
--[] Janna Ordonia (Quest: You Made Me Love Xanadu)
--[] Dr. Jumba Jookiba (Work for fellow Evil Genius: Survey Galfed Ship)
--[] Ludivine von Drake (Work for Dokta Doof: Research Adaptive Anti-Cape AI)
--[] Queen Lizzie (Quest: You Made Me Love Xanadu)
--[] Tobe and the Vagabond Ninja (Work for Sensei: Alchemy)
--[] Phineas and Ferb (Work for your Summer boss: Develop a new social media platform)





-[] Miscellaneous:
--[] Don't Overclock TECHNOR
--[] Activate an Inator
-[] Item Assignments:
--[] Ruby Wings: Genghis Khan




-[] Quests:
--[] You Made Me Love Xanadu (Martial: 101, Diplomacy: 35, Stewardship: 44, Intrigue: 50, Learning: 49, Occult: 34)
---[] Quest Leader: Genghis Khan
---[] Janna Ordonia
---[] Max
---[] Queen Lizzie
TheGleeman said:
Stuff that in my mind needs to be done next turn:

- SRA repeal combined with Insuricare reformation to deal with Dooms BS rhetoric of us not caring about Supers
- Reaching out to Shego to at least attempt to present a unified front against both the drug cartell and Toffee
- Investigating Toffee to have something graspable to present to both Xanatos and preferably Shego as well
- Looking for Star/Marco, preferably by lobbing the Commodore at them (expensive as fuck, but we kinda promised to get to that ASAP and he simply gives us the best possible payout in that regard)
- Doing some kind of Intrigue attack against Doom to benefit from the chink in his armor we created last turn

Other than, that I am pretty open (although for Technor, I´d prefer to analyze either Janna or Max)
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May I intrest you in my pitch? Doesn't have any Toffee investigation, but...
 
[ ] Plan I don't have a snappy title
-[ ] Outfit PMC with energy weapons (Hego)- 75.74%CoS, 86.01% w/XP
-[ ] Reach out to Shego (Vanessa) 95.01% CoS, 98.96% w/XP
-[ ] Campaign Against the SRA (Goofy) 65.88% CoS, 76.13% w/XP
-[ ] Rebrand Insuricare's anti-Super Policies (Wile E. Coyote) 56.32% CoS, 66.18% w/XP
-[ ] Develop a new social media platform (Phineas and Ferb) 78.01% CoS, 88.02% w/XP
-[ ] Investigate crime in LA (Agent Russ)
-[ ] Investigate Toffee (Francis Monogram) 58.96% CoS, 68.98% w/XP
-[ ] Survey GalFed Ship (Jumba Jookiba) 98.99% CoS, 98.99% w/XP
-[ ] Research Robo-Doppelganger AI (Ludivine von Drake) 72.86% CoS, 83.00% w/XP
-[ ] Create Magical Defenses (Tobe and the Vagabond Ninja) 36.69% CoS, 47.01% w/XP
-[ ] You Made Me Love Xanadu (Genghis Khan, Janna Ordonia, Max, Queen Lizzie)
Personal Actions
-[ ] Chat with the Bossman -Goofy
-[ ] Make up with Roger
-[ ] Read your Spellbook
-[ ] Hire the Dickens Detective Agency
--[ ] For a large (-7) income decrease, the Commodore himself will complete your appointed task, and bring his entire dynasty with him: Look for Star and Marco
-[ ] Reinforce Kronos Corp contacts(Mirage)
-[ ] Search for an Instructor(Dennis the Duck)
-[ ] Psychoanalyze (Technor)
--[ ] Janna Ordonia
-[ ] L.O.V.E.M.U.F.F.I.N. -Decentralize your Normbots 73.82% CoS, 83.84% w/XP
-[ ] Don't Overclock TECHNOR
-[ ] Activate an Inator
-[ ] Item Assignments:
--[ ] Ruby Wings: Genghis Khan

This is basically the plan I'm going to be posting in a few hours. Switched up Coyote and Mirage since I think the latter's personal actions are more valuable. Really want to grab Kitsune but the voterbase really wants to Contact Shego, so whatever makes this plan more likely to win. Ludivine is still on AI because the sooner that is done the better and I don't really fear rolling into Flubber tech. Don't care for buying Lee Industries either, so Normbots it is. The point has been made that Janna's situation is more grave then Max, so she gets the consultation.

EDIT: Success chances have been added.

weredrago2 said:
On Questosaurus, I could swap Mirage in for Wile E. on Insuricare, put Tobe on Toffee, and Wile E. on his ACME personal action. Thoughts on if this change would be better/worse? I like the speed dating for thr ninjas but it can wait. I also considered Monogram but OWCA needs to get fixed ASAP.
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I prefer putting Monogram on Toffee because both Wile E.'s and Mirage's personal actions can help us against our enemies, but on reflection I think Kronos contacts is better, since it's a lead into a unknown unknown. But if you want to prioritize OWCA, I do think Mirage is better served investigating Toffee. Speed-dating is fine I guess.

TheGleeman said:
- SRA repeal combined with Insuricare reformation to deal with Dooms BS rhetoric of us not caring about Supers
- Reaching out to Shego to at least attempt to present a unified front against both the drug cartell and Toffee
- Investigating Toffee to have something graspable to present to both Xanatos and preferably Shego as well
- Looking for Star/Marco, preferably by lobbing the Commodore at them (expensive as fuck, but we kinda promised to get to that ASAP and he simply gives us the best possible payout in that regard)
- Doing some kind of Intrigue attack against Doom to benefit from the chink in his armor we created last turn

Other than, that I am pretty open (although for Technor, I´d prefer to analyze either Janna or Max)
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My proposed plan does everything but the attack on Doom, and I would argue that investigating the L.A. underground would better prepare us for any surprises on that front. Especially if we can make any allies or support the underground while investigating.
 
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weredrago2 said:
On Questosaurus, I could swap Mirage in for Wile E. on Insuricare, put Tobe on Toffee, and Wile E. on his ACME personal action. Thoughts on if this change would be better/worse? I like the speed dating for thr ninjas but it can wait. I also considered Monogram but OWCA needs to get fixed ASAP.


Which actions were you looking to do this round?
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I was the one who is originally suggested this so I definitely supported it. My reasoning is that they are better fit for it according to their specialty and background, not their stats.

Tobe is just more fitting to investigate Toffee as he had an Occult Stat that Mirage hadn't. Mirage is more like a corporate spymaster who compiles and make sense of the information she gathered through her spies and the normal people in the area that she bribed to stay silent. Her way of gathering information is not suited for Toffee who is not only had his main force stayed outside of the public eyes, but also focusing a lot of his efforts to make the magical community to stay hidden. There is also the fact that she didn't have any experience on anything magical like Tobe did who has a Shaman as his subordinate. Hero Units that we assigned to the National Actions would affect the overall results of the action and Toffee's magical side is something that we definitely wanted to have.

Mirage is much better suited for Insuricare as not only did she knows Super's like the back of her hand, she also had amazing paperwork skills as she had experience handling megacorporation before and thus are definitely able to create better policy that is fair and wouldn't have any holes in it to be expoited. It would also would make her feel better of herself by actively doing something positive for the Supers Community who she felts immense guilt to.

This arrangement would also open up Coyote to dig through the ACME records to find anything incriminating to Doom that we could use at the later turn.
 
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BrainInAJar said:
My proposed plan does everything but the attack on Doom, and I would argue that investigating the L.A. underground would better prepare us for any surprises on that front. Especially if we can make any allies or support the underground while investigating.
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Totally forgot your plan, sorry.

Investigating the LA underground would be an acceptable compromise, since it´s Doom-*adjacent*...it´s essentially snooping around on his turf, which makes indirect use of that -25 imho (by investigating something he has problems with atm)

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Now I know again, what ticked me off about your plan - I tried preventing us going on another side-quest because personally, I tend to find them mentally very exhausting and disruptive for the normal quest progression.

Before anyone says something, us going to that auction feels different to me, since A) it has been planned for months in advance instead of being a sudden disrutption and B) with us probably using it to rub elbows with Xanatos on the way (something most agree on being very important for the future, the auction feels more "included" into our progression as a King on the national playfield instead of a team of our Hero Units buggering off to do something completly different (without devaluing their endeavour in any way of course)

That being said, by now I think I can accept those compromises and vote for your plan once the time comes.
 
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Would Tobe really know anything about the Mewni magic Toffee is using, if we're taking only backgrounds into account? We do know he uses front companies with his schemes, so Mirage is perfectly able to investigate on that aspect as well. It's only a 4% difference for the action at the end of the day, but not putting Tobe there means he can also help with Occult. But questosaurus isn't using Tobe for Occult anyway, so I guess it would be whatever. I would prefer to read the Speed-dating scene though, it sounds fun.
 
BrainInAJar said:
Would Tobe really know anything about the Mewni magic Toffee is using, if we're taking only backgrounds into account? We do know he uses front companies with his schemes, so Mirage is perfectly able to investigate on that aspect as well. It's only a 4% difference for the action at the end of the day, but not putting Tobe there means he can also help with Occult. But questosaurus isn't using Tobe for Occult anyway, so I guess it would be whatever. I would prefer to read the Speed-dating scene though, it sounds fun.
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Considering he summons the long death Queen of Mewni through simple card divination? I bet he will figure something out of it even if it's not something he didn't recognize. Any experience is better than none after all and while knowing the companies Toffee is using as his background is usefull, the meat of the crop is definitely the magical side that Tobe could search more throughly than what Mirage could do.

Also just like I said it will free up Coyote to search through ACME records and we need every ammo we could get to shoot Doom down quickly.
 
Simon_Jester said:
I'm pretty sure those stat totals are wrong. You can't just add up the stats of everyone in the party.

We'd be rolling:

Martial 55+(27 or 34)+5 = 87 or 94
(Janna barely pushes out Lizzy in Martial with the +5 from Doof Troop; Lizzy's trait still applies)

Diplomacy 15+13-5+5 = 28
(again, Lizzy's trait, but Doof Troop boost from Janna to Max)

Stewardship 22+15 = 37

Intrigue 18+20+5 = 43
(Doof Troop boost from Max to Janna)

Learning 12+30 = 42
(with a sizeable bonus from Khan's trait if modern tech is involved)

Occult 0+22+5 = 27
(Doof Troop boost from Max to Janna)
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To address exactly this one thing and nothing else due to lack of time -

You're forgetting the +7 to all quest rolls from the PMC:
Made in Heaven said:
Paramilitary Mongol Corps: +7 to all Quest rolls, -13 malus to anyone attacking Doofania.
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You'll notice that your numbers are all exactly 7 fewer than mine.
 
Blast I slept though almost the entire voting moratorium . Can someone please sum up what current consensus there may be? I won't have time today to spend hours analyzing plans.
 
Black.Horus said:
Considering he summons the long death Queen of Mewni through simple card divination? I bet he will figure something out of it even if it's not something he didn't recognize. Any experience is better than none after all and while knowing the companies Toffee is using as his background is usefull, the meat of the crop is definitely the magical side that Tobe could search more throughly than what Mirage could do.

Also just like I said it will free up Coyote to search through ACME records and we need every ammo we could get to shoot Doom down quickly.
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He summoned Celene due to complete accident though. Stumbling blindly when you think you know something can lead to disaster more easily than success. And I'm pretty sure Mirage doesn't need detailed magical knowledge to grasp how his organization functions. Again, my biggest problem with putting Tobe on Toffee is that he'd be more valuable for Occult, but if you're not putting him there even when he's available it's whatever. I'm not particularly attracted to the ACME records either to be honest. I prefer investigating Kronos, but since they're basically one point apart I could be convinced to switch with sufficient voter interest. We'll see if such supports shows up.
 
General_Urist said:
Blast I slept though almost the entire voting moratorium . Can someone please sum up what current consensus there may be? I won't have time today to spend hours analyzing plans.
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The current consensus is I am always right. Vote with me.

Real talk. The big points of contention among plans.

1. Major variation on if we should do Xanadu now. (Pro-side is the tarot explicitly told us it was a good idea, and we aren't likely to have the opportunity for like 4 more months if we miss it now, and we are on a tight deadline. Anti-side, wants Janna to do something else this turn.)
2. Martial is all over the place, but I haven't seen strong feelings.
3. Stewardship always has P&F on social networks. Usually adds Insuracare reorg, but some don't.
3. Diplomacy has SRA repeal is on almost every plan, hiring Kitsue vs contacting Shego is the difference for second actions.
4. Contention on intrigue actions, star/marco is one. And most plans do Toffee. But there is some pretty heavy contingent on if it's better to finish off Hawk or start on the drug ring.
5 Most learnings are galfed/AI


I think those are the major point of disagreement so far. Some plans have good varients of that.
 
You know what I find amazing? The Cipher was released a little bit over a week ago. And now here we are, over 100 pages later. I don't think I've ever seen or heard of a quest that moves as fast as this one.
 
Fine! I cave. Just know that most of the actions we take next turn need to raise our income and none of them can decrease it if we go this route

Plan: I Have the Honor to be Your Benevolent Overlord, H. Doof
-[ ] Dinosaur Calvary
-[ ] Reach out to Shego
-[ ] Lobby against the SRA
-[ ] Develop a new social media platform
-[ ] Rebrand Insuricare's anti-Super Policies
-[ ] Investigate Toffee
-[ ] Wing the Hawk
--[ ] Subvert
-[ ] Survey Galfed Ship
-[ ] Research Doppelganger AI
-[ ] Research Alchemy

Personal:
-[ ] Write a Musical
-[ ] Read your Spellbook
-[ ] Chat with the Bossman
--[ ] Goofy
-[ ] Hire Dickens Detective Agency
--[ ] Look for Star and Marco
--[ ] Commodore

Goofy:
-[ ] Work for Dr. D.
--[ ] Lobby against the SRA

Ghengis Khan:
-[ ] Quest Leader: You Made Me Love Xanadu

Wile E. Coyote:
-[ ] Look through ACME's records

Francis Monogram:
-[ ] Work for Doctor Doofenshmirtz
--[ ] Investigate Toffee

Agent Russ:
-[ ] Work for the Good Doctor
--[ ] Wing the Hawk
---[ ] Subvert

Dennis the Duck:
-[ ] Help the Pharmacist
--[ ] Dinosaur Calvary

Hego:
-[ ] Manage Bueno Nacho

Technor:
-[ ] Psychoanalyze
--[ ] Janna

Max:
-[ ] Quest: You Made Me Love Xanadu

Mirage:
-[ ] Work for Dr. Heinz
--[ ] Rebrand Insuricare's anti-Super Policies

Vannessa:
-[ ] Work for Dad
--[ ] Reach out to Shego

Janna:
-[ ] Quest: You Made Me Love Xanadu

Dr. Jumba Jookiba:
-[ ] Work for fellow evil genius
--[ ] Survey Galfed ship

Ludivine Von Drake:
-[ ] Quest: You Made Me Love Xanadu

Queen Lizzy:
-[ ] Work for Doofenshmirtz
--[ ] Research Doppelganger AI

Tobe and the Vagabound Ninja:
-[ ] Work for Sensei
--[ ] Research Alchemy

Phineas and Ferb:
-[ ] Work for your Summer Boss
--[ ] Develop a new Social Media Platform

LOVEMUFFIN
-[ ] Buy out Lee Industries

Quest: You Made Me Love Xanadu
-Temujin (Leader)
-Janna
-Ludivine
-Max

-[ ] Don't overclock Technor
-[ ] Don't activate an Inator
 
mangawriter77 said:
Fine! I cave. Just know that most of the actions we take next turn need to raise our income and none of them can decrease it if we go this route
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Hiring the Dickens Agency will only deplete our income this turn at least, so it´s not as bad as you think.

Plus, next turn we still can buy out Lee Industries and the like to raise our income
 
Heads up in case I miss voting; seeing as I got 1000 EXP now, I'd like as much of it as I'm allowed to spend in a turn put on the Look for Star and Marco option if we hire the Commodore to do it. The guys a legend, I'm going to have faith in his ability to find the two. Especially if I reduce the mystery (but probably very high ) DC via Exp.
 
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