Other than releasing Bill? Yah, sure. Arathnorn said this over on the Discord:
He said it wasn't pretty.

You said it was Bad. And the "worst thing you could possibly do."

That is a big leap.

You don't even know for sure if the not pretty was meant to describe the chaotic nature of the event, or how bad the consequences were.

Plus, reading further it seems like the person who broke the masquerade was Bill. Of course him breaking it wouldn't be pretty.
 
The Government managed to hide the fact that we seceded and formed out own nation, and that, give me a moment



Almost half of the country is gone.

In numbers 1, 4, and 16, almost everyone is either dead or kidnapped. It's like 45 percent of the country or something like that (if you don't count Alaska).

If the USA can hide all of that, then we can honestly say that it's Magic, and the USA can just say "oh, it's latent superpowers" and that will be more believable then most of the stuff their lying about.

Us opening a magic school is barely even a drop in the bucket. Long term it would have broken the masquerade for sure, eventually the fact that it's actually real legit magic will sink in, but that'll happen long after everyone else realizes that the government's been lying to everyone about approximately half of the nation disappearing over night and that's actually inevitable, or the fact that Hawaii still exists, or the whole Florida thing.
That may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that it's pissing them off. They don't want to have to do something like that, they just want us to stay in line
 
I don't want to hide it at all.

Hiding it is how we have the current situation, where every society has to build up "how do I magic" from scratch, where people don't treat it as a field of study and instead treat it as just another variant of superhero's, where it's all about what an individual Magic user or artifact can do for you.

I say no.

We are a scientist, an academic, and knowledge should not be hidden from people.

The USA can pretend that magic isn't real and lie to their citizens and even convince people that it isn't real, but long term, it's actively detrimental to the world.

Magic isn't just one field of study, it's multiple fields of Science that the government is actively covering up. All of the things magic can do, all of the different types of it ... it's like if the government was covering up the fact that Chemistry, Physics, Geography, and specifically Gravity were all real things. More then that even. Magic is an entire facet of reality that the Government is covering up. It's like their hiding the fact that Space or Time exist.

School for magic, we call it a school for magic, try to get as many students to become teachers as we possibly can so we can open more schools of magic.

100-200 years from now, I want learning Alchemy as accessible to the average citizen as learning Chemistry, degrees in Evocation should be just as obtainable as a degree in Art History. ESPN is boring, I want MESPN, with the M standing for Magic, where they play Magic Baseball and race on broomsticks and Magic Carpets.

Hiding it is how we have the current status quo, whereh there's normal society, and magic society, and the two stay completely separate and neither ever helps the other. I say BOO to that, integrate it.
Look, I agree with all of this. I would like to bring magic to the public eye, and make it into an actual field of science. But as it is, the government would crack down us if we breathed a word of it. It's going to have to wait until after things calm down a LOT more, or until the Masquerade breaks. In which case, EVERYONE has bigger problems to deal with.
 
Look, I agree with all of this. I would like to bring magic to the public eye, and make it into an actual field of science. But as it is, the government would crack down us if we breathed a word of it. It's going to have to wait until after things calm down a LOT more, or until the Masquerade breaks. In which case, EVERYONE has bigger problems to deal with.
Some minor applications could be disguised to seem mundane, admittedly. Or at least branded to seem like just that much more mad science.
 
I don't actually think the direct Masquerade is the problem. If we really want a magic school, just claim they're supers with a 'latent gene' that needs study to use properly. Like, we already have people throwing plasma as a known CEO, so why are some fireballs so different? Also long as any actual mentions of magic is marketed as a cheesy gimmick, it will be fine.

However, the real problem comes from any number of individuals that might take exception to us freely distributing knowledge. First, the government might not like us teaching people how to throw fireballs, masquerade or not. Secondly, anyone with magic, people who worked and hoarded it all their life, are not going to like their power being brought to the masses. Also, it would but us right in Toffee's crosshairs, and I'm really hoping we can avoid his attention for a little while. (Please move on and chew on someone else).
 
The Government managed to hide the fact that we seceded and formed our own nation, and that, give me a moment



Almost half of the country is gone.

In numbers 1, 4, and 16, almost everyone is either dead or kidnapped. It's like 45 percent of the country or something like that (if you don't count Alaska).

If the USA can hide all of that, then we can honestly say that it's Magic, and the USA can just say "oh, it's latent superpowers" and that will be more believable then most of the stuff their lying about.

Us opening a magic school is barely even a drop in the bucket. Long term it would have broken the masquerade for sure, eventually the fact that it's actually real legit magic will sink in, but that'll happen long after everyone else realizes that the government's been lying to everyone about approximately half of the nation disappearing over night and that's actually inevitable, or the fact that Hawaii still exists, or the whole Florida thing.
I think we need to break the masquerade with the government a little by little like slowly but sturdy like a band-aid, not rip the whole thing or a huge chunk of it off at once.
 
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I don't actually think the direct Masquerade is the problem. If we really want a magic school, just claim they're supers with a 'latent gene' that needs study to use properly. Like, we already have people throwing plasma as a known CEO, so why are some fireballs so different? Also long as any actual mentions of magic is marketed as a cheesy gimmick, it will be fine.

However, the real problem comes from any number of individuals that might take exception to us freely distributing knowledge. First, the government might not like us teaching people how to throw fireballs, masquerade or not. Secondly, anyone with magic, people who worked and hoarded it all their life, are not going to like their power being brought to the masses. Also, it would but us right in Toffee's crosshairs, and I'm really hoping we can avoid his attention for a little while. (Please move on and chew on someone else).
Definitely, the school shouldn't be publicized until we have reached either a superior or stalemate position with Toffee.
 
Would they be able to?. We declared ourselves an independent nation and they could only spin it as us being eccentric instead of "cracking us down".

Even after Syndrome's fall they were unable to take back that piece of territory for themselves.
They also got Xanatos and others backing it off so probably they will and can if we break it too hard.
 
Guys. There's a theory document in the Gridlocked folder, which includes this particular gem

"Training an army of Mystically Monkey Powered warriors to overthrow Shego"

WHAT IF IT'S TRUE?!?! What if Ron faked his death ninja style and is now doing this as payback for whatever Shego did to Kim?
 
Actually, here's a question, does the government even know about the magic thing?

Like, even among the Kings the fact that Toffee rules Arizona is a secret, basically no one knows about the Bill thing, Phobos barely interacts with Earth, and the Monster Inc stuff is so secret that it's in invisi-text .... does the government know about magic? There are a few factions whose existence is a explicitly a secret to more or less everyone and those are all of the magic factions, and I can't recall a single mention of the government knowing about them in any of the text documents (though admittedly I have skimmed it and I didn't read everything anyway, so I could have missed it).
 
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Okay I get this was the opposite of what he wanted but for a Nat 1 this was really good for him. It makes him out to be the hero of this piece raises his company's stocks to high levels and generally seems to pay for itself.

aren't Nat 1's supposed to be completely disastrous?

Well it makes our jobs easier at least
 
The Government managed to hide the fact that we seceded and formed out own nation, and that, give me a moment
No, no we didn't. For all intents and purposes 'Doofania' is still apart of the United States of America. C-Moon said this over on the Discord:
The whole point of the 'bowl of mints' trait is that you're as uninvolved in politics and running a country as you can be while still declaring yourself in charge.
Our Normbots? They only exist in the renamed city of Danville. The legal system? Basically intact. At most the 'Sovereign State of Doofania' is a city-state.

The rest of that can be attributed to Paradox. Just about anything could knock over that house of cards.

The government puts much effort into keeping its own weakness secret, and the powerful in Gridlocked mostly oblige them. No king wants to be fighting in an all out war, and so they're more or less willing to do things subtly. Even most of your citizens probably see you as a joke or a parody villain rather than an actual dictator. This may chafe at your ego, but trying to make people really take you seriously might draw the ire of what's left of ol' Uncle Sam.
Revealing magic is something which could seriously cause Major Problems.

He said it wasn't pretty.

You said it was Bad. And the "worst thing you could possibly do."
I said it was about the worst thing you could possibly do. There is a subtle, though important difference in the terminology. Now, all of the worse things are exponentially worse, but that doesn't mean that the terminology was incorrect. The movers and shakers like the status quo. Doing blatant things like this could cause them to start rethinking our reliability or even have them consider to just, end, the threat to stability. As people have opined already, the way that this world works is through secrecy and stability.

How much credibility would the Federal government lose if magic was revealed? How many people would start looking into other parts of the Masquerade? It's a domino effect that shouldn't be poked unless the alternative is (somehow) even worse. Unfortunately, I suspect that if we are lucky to stop people like Toffee, the Masquerade is undoubtedly going to break without some rather, good, rolls.

Q: What is the Masquerade? What exactly is the extent of the Masquerade?
A: The masquerade is a catchall term that refers to the illusion of normalcy in the world. In general, the Masquerade means 'don't rock the boat'. You don't want to disrupt the status quo in any way that is significant, as that will earn you the ire of your fellow corporate overlords and whatever's left of the US Government. As the people in power right now, they would very much like to remain that way.

What counts as breaking the masquerade: Revealing magic exists, revealing aliens exist, seizing territory from your neighbors forcefully, marching an army into any place, declaring that you now 'own' territory that rightfully belongs to the US Government.

What doesn't count as breaking the masquerade: Corporate espionage, expanding your influence through takeovers, sending individuals or capes to assault a rival, committing random acts of supervillainy.

Like, even among the Kings the fact that Toffee rules Arizona is a secret, basically no one knows about the Bill thing, Phobos barely interacts with Earth .... does the government know about magic? There are a few factions whose existence is a explicitly a secret to more or less everyone and those are all of the magic factions, and I can't recall a single mention of the government knowing about them in any of the text documents (though admittedly I have skimmed it and I didn't read everything anyway, so I could have missed it).
Agent Russ knows enough that if we sent him to investigate, say Oregon or the Wastelands, he would return with nothing.
 
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I don't actually think the direct Masquerade is the problem. If we really want a magic school, just claim they're supers with a 'latent gene' that needs study to use properly. Like, we already have people throwing plasma as a known CEO, so why are some fireballs so different? Also long as any actual mentions of magic is marketed as a cheesy gimmick, it will be fine.

However, the real problem comes from any number of individuals that might take exception to us freely distributing knowledge. First, the government might not like us teaching people how to throw fireballs, masquerade or not. Secondly, anyone with magic, people who worked and hoarded it all their life, are not going to like their power being brought to the masses. Also, it would but us right in Toffee's crosshairs, and I'm really hoping we can avoid his attention for a little while. (Please move on and chew on someone else).
Yeah. I absolutely want to pick a fight with Toffee, but I'd prefer not to advertise it until he's already locked himself in hostilities with someone else. Not only does this give us more time to focus on Doom and finding Star, it also means we have someone else dedicating actions to thwarting Toffee, as well as being a natural segue into an alliance with whichever king it ends up being (unless it's Doom, in which case, our enemies fighting each other is also good).
Okay I get this was the opposite of what he wanted but for a Nat 1 this was really good for him. It makes him out to be the hero of this piece raises his company's stocks to high levels and generally seems to pay for itself.

aren't Nat 1's supposed to be completely disastrous?

Well it makes our jobs easier at least
He's a toon. His failures are almost always going to be about what's funny, and his stocks going up doesn't matter to anyone except his ego. Like, we already are in the situation where money is of basically no concern, and he's a lot richer than we are.
 
The Government managed to hide the fact that we seceded and formed our own nation, and that, give me a moment



Almost half of the country is gone.

In numbers 1, 4, and 16, almost everyone is either dead or kidnapped. It's like 45 percent of the country or something like that (if you don't count Alaska).

If the USA can hide all of that, then we can honestly say that it's Magic, and the USA can just say "oh, it's latent superpowers" and that will be more believable then most of the stuff their lying about.

Us opening a magic school is barely even a drop in the bucket. Long term it would have broken the masquerade for sure, eventually the fact that it's actually real legit magic will sink in, but that'll happen long after everyone else realizes that the government's been lying to everyone about approximately half of the nation disappearing over night and that's actually inevitable, or the fact that Hawaii still exists, or the whole Florida thing.

Technically you should add 6 to that count (The Oregon Triangle) cause everyone in there is a plaything to that thing.
 
Actually, here's a question, does the government even know about the magic thing? Like, even among the Kings the fact that Toffee rules Arizona is a secret, basically no one knows about the Bill thing, Phobos barely interacts with Earth, and the Monster Inc stuff is so secret that it's in invisi-text .... does the government know about magic? There are a few factions whose existence is a explicitly a secret to more or less everyone and those are all of the magic factions, and I can't recall a single mention of the government knowing about them in any of the text documents (though admittedly I have skimmed it and I didn't read everything anyway, so I could have missed it).
From what I can tell parts of the government do, but they compartmentalize the information. You can see evidence in some of the Agent Russ interludes/quests.
 
[ ] Reach out to leaders of the Zaibatsu
DC 65
There's no one head of the conglomerate that's controlling most of California, or at least nobody that's public. Still, some of the biggest corporations, like Funtelligence, Sycorax or Bakaemono (Previously Kreitech), could prove useful contacts.

This was from the first turn
 
Hmmmmmm

What if we research magic, and just present anything we do with it as one of our scientific discoveries, we just swap in some more descriptive terminology for the mechanics of it and we're golden.
 
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