I wonder why so many of the borders lay along state lines. The kings that have borders not along state lines are Doof, Toffee, the 19th Lord of Uranos Kingdom's Tempest Domain, Drossel Juno Vierzehntes Heizregister Fürstin von Flügel, Shego, Doom, Bellwether, and AUTO. Even most of their borders lay along state lines. Doom and Bellwether both control what is essentially a city-state, so that makes sense. The 19th Lord of Uranos Kingdom's Tempest Domain, Drossel Juno Vierzehntes Heizregister Fürstin von Flügel and AUTO were probably flung there through temporal paradox. Shego and Doof bost contest control of Colorado. I don't really see why and how Toffee and Shego split New Mexico.

I would have thought that several of the advances would have been curtailed by natural borders. Like AUTO at the Appalachians or the Toxic Jungle at, err, somewhere?

Shit where is a natural border to contain the Toxic Jungle

It might be a good idea for Doof to start looking into the timeline of this craziness.
 
Some of it might be convenience: If you control a state's government, it's easier to grab control of it from rival Kings and similarly harder for you to push into the next state over if the government there is controlled by a rival.

Doof specifically wants to control the Tri-State area, so I wouldn't be surprised it he originally failed to grab land that he could have when setting up his city-state, giving him nice clean borders.... Except in Colorado.
 
I wonder why so many of the borders lay along state lines. The kings that have borders not along state lines are Doof, Toffee, the 19th Lord of Uranos Kingdom's Tempest Domain, Drossel Juno Vierzehntes Heizregister Fürstin von Flügel, Shego, Doom, Bellwether, and AUTO. Even most of their borders lay along state lines. Doom and Bellwether both control what is essentially a city-state, so that makes sense. The 19th Lord of Uranos Kingdom's Tempest Domain, Drossel Juno Vierzehntes Heizregister Fürstin von Flügel and AUTO were probably flung there through temporal paradox. Shego and Doof bost contest control of Colorado. I don't really see why and how Toffee and Shego split New Mexico.

I would have thought that several of the advances would have been curtailed by natural borders. Like AUTO at the Appalachians or the Toxic Jungle at, err, somewhere?

Shit where is a natural border to contain the Toxic Jungle

It might be a good idea for Doof to start looking into the timeline of this craziness.

the wasteland. Auto is currently busy trimming the forest down to size and acting as a buffer zone. While the rest of the Great Lakes provide a natural barrier keeping it mostly contained in Michigan.
 
It's in the Stitch! Movie that things get weird. Gantu should know by know that Lilo is a human, and that humans are sentient. Yet he still tries to send her to a zoo when Hamsterveel captures her and Stitch. Though, you could argue that he knew Stitch was going to break out and free Lilo. I mean, Ruben/625's order for baloney went through a few seconds before Lilo would have been teleported away, and he ordered that, most likely, a few minutes after Gantu put Lilo in the teleporter.

Yeah, see, that's the thing. Gantu's constant failure takes on an entirely different context in a serious setting and makes it look like the guy was, if not always intentionally failing (certainly a fair number of his failures can't be attributed to him solely), at least doing it a fair amount of the time.

Once again speaking as myself and not as QM-assistant, I think it likely that humanity as a whole is not yet advanced enough for broader galactic society to consider them 'sentient'. They look at us the same way we look at monkeys using sticks as tools, or elephants. Like, if you got out of your way to kill one or be cruel to them, galactic society will look down on you and see you as a jerk and a sadist, but technically don't have the same rights as 'real people'.

Sure, but people think things like crows are pretty cool for how smart they are by animal standards.

Scrooge was a good businessman that made smart decisions and investments.

More than that - one of Scrooge's first animated appearances back in the 60s had him imply that amongst other things the gold in his vault was helping to back the goddamn Gold Standard, which means his money was, amongst other things, at one point intrinsically tied to the US Government. And that short also implied that he considered the gold in his Money Vault to actually be only a chunk of his actual fortune, which was almost entirely in investments, supporting a large number of businesses (And thus a large number of jobs), and other things to keep the economy flowing - and to keep his money holding value.

Scrooge got rich for many reasons, but being one of the greatest goddamn economists there is was definitely a big part of it.

Scrooge is the type of person that I wouldn't count out even if he was literally dead and currently chained up and being tortured in Hell.

Dude's a Force of Nature.

Yeah. If at any point we can find him and get him back on his feet it would be something that would likely repay Doof in spades.
 
Some of it might be convenience: If you control a state's government, it's easier to grab control of it from rival Kings and similarly harder for you to push into the next state over if the government there is controlled by a rival.

Doof specifically wants to control the Tri-State area, so I wouldn't be surprised it he originally failed to grab land that he could have when setting up his city-state, giving him nice clean borders.... Except in Colorado.
Doof was the last King to declare himself well and the first. The other kings are more subtle. Errr, Doof was the latest King to emerge. Wait, no, Evelyn. Doof was the second latest King to be crowned. He certainly launched the latest Megacorporation. Why was the Kronos/Zaibatsu border so clean, for example? It certainly isn't now, given Syndrome's death and Evelyn rebranding. Like why didn't Syndrome try to take Salt Lake City? How did Shego and Toffee come to terms over New Mexico? The 19th Lord of Uranos Kingdom's Tempest Domain, Drossel Juno Vierzehntes Heizregister Fürstin von Flügel is an exception in that she probably wouldn't be all that interested in expanding. And she is rampant in a way that makes the Oshan AI from The Last Angel: Ascension look like Baymax.

Like why did Toffee go after nice, clean borders, excluding New Mexico and California. Was the Wasteland just copy/pasted along state lines?

There is something fishy here and we should find out what. Eventually. Then again all of the squeaky clean* borders might be caused by the [REDACTED] that was mentioned by a few of the people in the campaign Made in Heaven is currently GM'ing for.

*relatively

the wasteland. Auto is currently busy trimming the forest down to size and acting as a buffer zone. While the rest of the Great Lakes provide a natural barrier keeping it mostly contained in Michigan.
Couldn't the Jungle expand through the water? From what I know it was a biological terraforming tool to restore a planet nuked to high hell*. If it could be stopped by water, it wouldn't be much of a terraformer. I'd think that the Wasteland would be a prime target for it.

*or some other human created environmental ruin
 
More than Sidekicks, Less than Heroes
So, in writing this, I ended up running into a lot of questions about what precisely resulted from Gwen's victory and how precisely she got to that point... but I'm just going to run with a simple explanation.

As with all my omakes, not my best work, sorry, but here it is anyway.

Also, free internet cookie to whoever guesses what the title is in reference to. Looking it up will probably not help.

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More than Sidekicks, Less than Heroes

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In a world that was constantly changing, there are some things that, paradoxically, are constant. Unmoving, unchanging, seemingly unending. For example, when the companies took over, many places in the United States of America changed with them - but in several areas, the quality of life for the average human did not change. When Roger Rabbit murdered multiple people, Toons in general took the fall - but the biggest names remained stars, and their old shorts remained well loved. And even though Sky High had been through large amounts of upheaval, Sky High was still around - and while it was under new management and with new classes, it still taught the next generation of super powered beings.

And it still employed Ron Wilson, Bus Driver.

Ron Wilson, Bus Driver, took great pride in his job. To many, this was a sign of resignation against the world - even before he started working for, well, supervillains, it was well known that he was one of the few people without powers who knew of the existence of Sky High. What even less people knew, but what reinforced this view, was that he was actually born to two individuals who had superpowers, and was simply a rare case of the child of super-powered individuals not developing their own. That he had, himself, gone to Sky High once as a child.

That was all true. However, Ron Wilson, Bus Driver, liked his job for one, simple reason - even if no Hero had picked him as a Sidekick, the former Principal, Powers, had chosen him while he was down on his luck to take command of the next generation of Heroes' lives, a job that she would trust to only a small number of people. Him! Poor powerless Ron Wilson, beaten up on by children half his age, but she trusted him to handle one of the most actively dangerous parts of their day.

...also, his bus was cool. He couldn't really overlook that.

He also couldn't overlook, however, that this years crop of children seemed especially... unheroic. Now, Ron Wilson, Bus Driver, was well known for his borderline harassment of freshmen on their first day trip to school through his insane driving... but typically, within two or three weeks, the students he was taking would change from yells of horror and fear to yells of adrenaline and happiness, like the world's greatest roller coaster ride. A quick run through some of the potential rigors and G-Forces (and an entirely safe one! He had no crashes on his record, and was never going to have them!) expected of heroes, and most of them responded as most teenagers do - with enthusiasm once they realized that they were actually safe.

This current year, though...

He swerved in midair, and he heard a few shrieks from the back. Someone cursed at him, some kid that Ron Wilson, Bus Driver hadn't bothered memorizing the name of.

...well, they were wimpy! Sidekick-level! No, that was an insult - most sidekicks never had issues like this! Heck, some of the sidekicks on the bus were the ones who were handling this best! Ron Wilson, Bus Driver knew he was getting on in years, but darnit he knew the kids in years past had been far less superficial and far more willing to be adventurous! It couldn't be a simple case of him being out of touch, not this quickly.

He sighed, pulling up to the school. "Alright, kids, here's your stop." He closed his eyes and braced himself as he opened the door...

...and someone zipped in, ripping his hat off his face. He stepped off the bus first. "Speed, please stop stealing my hat. It's not going to wash out right if you keep doing that."

The obnoxiously overweight speedster, who had uncreatively named himself 'Speed', laughed. "Come on, old man! You can fight back, I'm sure! Come on, grab it back."

Ron Wilson, Bus Driver, knew why Speed was trying to do this. Speed and his skinny, stretchy friend Lash had been messing with him since they were students, and Ron Wilson, Bus Driver knew they had been there the night that Royal Pain had attacked, and while he had managed to escape that day - he even knocked out a supervillain on his own! It had been a proud night - he knew they couldn't have. Which meant they were working for the villain. But the school had employed the duo after the incident, which implied that the school was also being run by Royal Pain now.

Which meant that there was an outside chance that his continued employment was some manner of protracted revenge against him. That, or it was just Speed and Lash being cowards, bullies, cads, and thieves, like an unfortunate amount of the students they were raising. "You know I can't do that, Speed."

The bully laughed. "Oh, can't you? Well, that's too bad. Yo, Lash!"

The second bully pulled up. "Got it, got it." He grabbed the hat from Speed, and stretched up to the top of a flagpole, setting it there. "Go on, old man, grab it!"

He shook his head, walking back to the bus to move it to storage. Lash and Speed continued to taunt Ron Wilson, Bus Driver, but he had no ears for it. Their material was about as lame as their bullying was - the fact that they still hadn't realized that the winds would blow his hat down within the hour baffled him.

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After a long day's work, Ron Wilson, Bus Driver pulled home. The students had been fortunately rather quiet on the way home (doubtless one of the professors had done something horrifying while he was cleaning his bus), allowing him to quickly drop them all off and pull the bus into its storage, where he would pick it up tomorrow. Unfortunately, his salary had been rather cut down by the new administration, so he couldn't properly afford the upkeep of a car while he went home.

The news had been decent, at least. With Syndrome firmly out of the picture - and wasn't that a relief? The grandstanding "hero" had besmirched the name of heroes everywhere with his actions long before he had started taking territory - there was starting to be talk again about repealing the Superhuman Relocation Program. He hoped it would finally go through this time, although given how much time had passed since the Golden Days and how many unofficial incidents had taken the lives of superheroes since then - especially those perpetuated by that fool of a "cape", Syndrome himself - he wasn't even sure if there were any old heroes left.

Well, it was fine by Ron Wilson, Bus Driver. He already knew where a new age of heroics was starting.

Even before he reached his house he could hear voices coming from it, but he didn't quicken or slow his pace, even after he got in. After he locked the door, though, he yelled. "You're being a bit loud, you know! I could hear you outside!"

One of the voices yelled back. "We've been trying to quiet them down, it's not our fault they can't tell us what they need!"

Ron sighed, walking up the stairs. "It's not that they need fed, or something to drink, or to go to the bathroom?"

"We tried all that, they won't be quiet!"

Ron slowly finished walking up the stairs, taking a look in the room. "When did they start?"

In the room, there were three teens-young adults, rather. The one girl of the three shrugged. "Maybe ten minutes ago? They were sleeping before then."

The younger man of the two looked at them. "I'm telling you, they're having nightmares. It's gotta be it."

The older guy shrugged. "I dunno, man... aren't they still a little young for that?"

"We don't know how that de-aging device worked. For all we know, they could remember everything."

The girl rolled her eyes. "Which is just a theory, and we've had this argument before."

Ron moved into the room. "Maj, Ethan, Zach, this isn't the time for that." He crouched down, looking at the two cradles. "Hey, hey, are you two ok? Come on, it's fine now, I'm here. You'll be safe."

And so he picked the two babies up out of the cradle, holding them. "You three, did you finish that coursework I gave you?"

Maj shrugged. "I think we've put together everything from the old curriculum Sky High was using, and some of the new curriculum too. If they know it, we know it."

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Some things in this world are constant. Heroes are heroes, villains are villains, sidekicks are sidekicks. But every so often, even among things that never change, change happens anyway. Ron Wilson had been Bus Driver for many, many years, entirely without powers. Not even a hero, not even a sidekick, he had instead passed the buck onto the next generation. But when Royal Pain attacked, even he had to step up. He only had his bus, but he evacuated the few students he could, and saved what he could.

Ethan Bank. Magenta Lewis. Zachary Braun. These were the names of sidekicks, the lowest of the low. But when Royal Pain attacked, they managed to pool their abilities together to escape just in time to get out of their reach, and had even temporarily stopped Lash and Speed. But it had been the last thing they did before they left that proved that they were heroes the most, they thought. For even if Will Stronghold and Layla Williams had been significantly inconvenienced, they had, still, saved their friends from a worse fate.

And now, even with the whole world against them, they prepared to strike out once more. Even if they were scorned, spat at, and hated, they would prove that they were true heroes.

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(A/N: yes, Gwen somehow missed that they got away. She was too busy stopping her own bomb from going off to notice, which is a thing I assume happen given that the school's name is still "Sky High" and not, uh, "Smoking Crater." And really, would she have even paid attention to them?)
 
Doof was the last King to declare himself well and the first. The other kings are more subtle. Errr, Doof was the latest King to emerge. Wait, no, Evelyn. Doof was the second latest King to be crowned. He certainly launched the latest Megacorporation. Why was the Kronos/Zaibatsu border so clean, for example? It certainly isn't now, given Syndrome's death and Evelyn rebranding. Like why didn't Syndrome try to take Salt Lake City? How did Shego and Toffee come to terms over New Mexico? The 19th Lord of Uranos Kingdom's Tempest Domain, Drossel Juno Vierzehntes Heizregister Fürstin von Flügel is an exception in that she probably wouldn't be all that interested in expanding. And she is rampant in a way that makes the Oshan AI from The Last Angel: Ascension look like Baymax.

Like why did Toffee go after nice, clean borders, excluding New Mexico and California. Was the Wasteland just copy/pasted along state lines?
I don't know why you're assuming that Doof's current territory wasn't part of other people's before he claimed it. I rather assumed he took a big bite out of Kronos, Toffee and Shego to get where he is and Doof is the reason for his own clean state borders because of his obsession with the Tri-State area specifically.

Why didn't Syndrome try to take over Salt Lake City? Who says he didn't before Doof booted him out?
 
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So, in writing this, I ended up running into a lot of questions about what precisely resulted from Gwen's victory and how precisely she got to that point... but I'm just going to run with a simple explanation.

As with all my omakes, not my best work, sorry, but here it is anyway.

Also, free internet cookie to whoever guesses what the title is in reference to. Looking it up will probably not help.

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More than Sidekicks, Less than Heroes

Fun fact, one of the characters in my Gridlocked game is named Maj and is from Sky High. For a second I thought you'd gotten ahold of our logs somehow and I was very confused.
 
On the whole Gantu thing I think it is more of him being angry at the time and being hyperfocused on his job.

Humans probably are seen as below "Civilized" races but it has been shown in the TV show that Gantu actually hates the idea of intentionally harming young creatures. He is fine with catching them and locking them up for a time but he doesn't enjoy it.

At one point he ended up saving the rude girl that bullied Lilo from one of the experiments if I remember correctly. Proceeded to insult her intelligence and basically declare humans as idiots but he saved her.



Guy honestly comes accross to me as a hard ass tsundere with a tendency to hyperfocus on his mission and lose his temper about things fairly easily but beneath that is a kind of softy with a soft spot for young beings.



You know, I'm not even sure Gantu even knew Lilo wasn't a small adult now that I think about it.
 
Doof was the last King to declare himself well and the first. The other kings are more subtle. Errr, Doof was the latest King to emerge. Wait, no, Evelyn. Doof was the second latest King to be crowned. He certainly launched the latest Megacorporation. Why was the Kronos/Zaibatsu border so clean, for example? It certainly isn't now, given Syndrome's death and Evelyn rebranding. Like why didn't Syndrome try to take Salt Lake City? How did Shego and Toffee come to terms over New Mexico? The 19th Lord of Uranos Kingdom's Tempest Domain, Drossel Juno Vierzehntes Heizregister Fürstin von Flügel is an exception in that she probably wouldn't be all that interested in expanding. And she is rampant in a way that makes the Oshan AI from The Last Angel: Ascension look like Baymax.

Like why did Toffee go after nice, clean borders, excluding New Mexico and California. Was the Wasteland just copy/pasted along state lines?

There is something fishy here and we should find out what. Eventually. Then again all of the squeaky clean* borders might be caused by the [REDACTED] that was mentioned by a few of the people in the campaign Made in Heaven is currently GM'ing for.

*relatively


Couldn't the Jungle expand through the water? From what I know it was a biological terraforming tool to restore a planet nuked to high hell*. If it could be stopped by water, it wouldn't be much of a terraformer. I'd think that the Wasteland would be a prime target for it.

*or some other human created environmental ruin
It was stated that the jungle would end at the continent in the movie leaving the rest of the world and the islands untouched. Which to be fair does cover two continents by itself now and considering it was an ancient civilization it might've been when there was a land bridge between Alaska and Russia. So it would have been able to take that to convert most of the planet
 
Recall that for literally everyone but Doof, they only consider 'territory' to mean 'an area the corporation can exert control over'. That term is grandfathered in, both from the original DVV Classic setting and some of the CK2 aspects of the quest, but there are not hard and fast borders on everything- they're just that way on the map for the sake of convenience.
 
On the whole Gantu thing I think it is more of him being angry at the time and being hyperfocused on his job.

Humans probably are seen as below "Civilized" races but it has been shown in the TV show that Gantu actually hates the idea of intentionally harming young creatures. He is fine with catching them and locking them up for a time but he doesn't enjoy it.

At one point he ended up saving the rude girl that bullied Lilo from one of the experiments if I remember correctly. Proceeded to insult her intelligence and basically declare humans as idiots but he saved her.



Guy honestly comes accross to me as a hard ass tsundere with a tendency to hyperfocus on his mission and lose his temper about things fairly easily but beneath that is a kind of softy with a soft spot for young beings.



You know, I'm not even sure Gantu even knew Lilo wasn't a small adult now that I think about it.

he stuck lilo in a small pod with stitch and called her a snack.
 
Some of it might be convenience: If you control a state's government, it's easier to grab control of it from rival Kings and similarly harder for you to push into the next state over if the government there is controlled by a rival.

Doof specifically wants to control the Tri-State area, so I wouldn't be surprised it he originally failed to grab land that he could have when setting up his city-state, giving him nice clean borders.... Except in Colorado.
Basically. Aside from Doof, no one rules their territory. They don't patrol the streets or collect taxes or provide public services. They just have an undue degree of influence in the area, buying governors and controlling crime networks and exerting monopolistic market power. These are things that tend to flow best around borders, so for the purposes of the Map we usually do so, but effectively all borders are porous; no one is at the border waiting to check your corporate passport.


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Well, there are other ruling ones but they are completely inhuman; the Jungle, Bill, Drossler. Sure they don't exactly have people at the border but from what I can tell, neither does Doof.
 
It was stated that the jungle would end at the continent in the movie leaving the rest of the world and the islands untouched. Which to be fair does cover two continents by itself now and considering it was an ancient civilization it might've been when there was a land bridge between Alaska and Russia. So it would have been able to take that to convert most of the planet
Ohh. Huh, I'll have to watch the movie. It sounds awesome.

Recall that for literally everyone but Doof, they only consider 'territory' to mean 'an area the corporation can exert control over'. That term is grandfathered in, both from the original DVV Classic setting and some of the CK2 aspects of the quest, but there are not hard and fast borders on everything- they're just that way on the map for the sake of convenience.
Thanks! I assume that The 19th Lord of Uranos Kingdom's Tempest Domain, Drossel Juno Vierzehntes Heizregister Fürstin von Flügel, AUTO, and the Toxic Jungle are the exceptions. I say that acknowledging that The 19th Lord of Uranos Kingdom's Tempest Domain, Drossel Juno Vierzehntes Heizregister Fürstin von Flügel, AUTO and the Toxic Jungle don't act like normal Kings, or even Doof. AUTO seems like he would go hunting in the Wastelands to find rogue humans to "protect". Our northern neighbor probably just, err, Fireballs? idfk

Huh, what did happen to our north? If our northern neighbor* actually did stuff, she would have been noticed. I can't really imagine her doing anything to influence any humans there. It's like trying to imagine an honest politician. I'll start looking into thread comments on our northern neighbor.

Speaking of all that, what exactly is Doof's sphere of influence like? Did he replace all cops in every single city under our rule with Normbots? It must be strange for Doofanians to interact with their new Evil Overlord. I don't actually know enough to write an omake about that.

*boy is it a pain to copy/paste her name... Hmm, wonder what it would be like to type it out each time
 
Did he replace all cops in every single city under our rule with Normbots? It must be strange for Doofanians to interact with their new Evil Overlord. I don't actually know enough to write an omake about that.


Deeming standard police forces to be 'lame', Doofenshmirtz replaced them all with Norm Bots. Norm Bots enforce Doof's laws (mainly the social media one) with polite requests backed by laser weapons.

It seems to be every city, it's more a question to me of is it all of the police in every city that were replaced.

I can easily imagine that only the patrolmen were replaced and that the cops that are just office workers were kept on to file stuff and log evidence.

How good is the average Normbot at, like, reasoning and conversation. Detectives might have been kept on as well for investigating crimes as that might be something the Normbots would have trouble with.

As for as patrol and guard officers though, all replaced with bots for sure.
 
Holy crap.

There has to be tens of thousands of Normbots. Where did they come from!?

They must have been a, strange, adjustment for our citizens. And police officers. And everyone.
I do wonder what happened with the Police Officers that were replaced.

Like, that's a lot of people losing their jobs all at once. I hope we just pretended that everyone retired and we give them their retirement money, cause otherwise, uhhhh, I it hasn't come up so I guess it's fine, but financially ruining an army's worth of people that all have guns is a pretty bad way to start off you're rulership.

Also, if that is what we did .... that's actually one hell of a weapon in our arsenal. Like, for instance, Doom hasn't finished his robot army yet, so he's got a few dozen gangsters and the police. If we spent a month on propoganda going "Hey, who wants to retire? All of the police in Doof's cities are now retired and bathing in money and free time" I can pretty easily imagine the notoriously corrupt police in Doom's city just staying home if we invaded.
 
I wonder why so many of the borders lay along state lines.
Like all territories, unless it is specified, most borders will fall along already established or "natural" groupings.

Like take a King and his territories. To consider having control of a territory, they do not need to have an impassable border wall surrounding all their lands, just on specific areas which extend their range of control up to said borders, of which there are already prior government systems set up which again enforces things along "natural" borders.

Obviously there are exemptions here, along with the altogether different issue of boder patrol/control/immigration.

Tldr; "territory" is like water, in that they change shape to what container they are put in (ie natural borders, or already established previous government enforced physical/cultural/economical/legal borders).
 
he stuck lilo in a small pod with stitch and called her a snack.
Considering that he saw how 626 interacted with Lilo it seems reasonable that he wouldn't think he would eat her and, tbh, I could see him being angry enough to try and scare her a bit for all the trouble she put him through.
 
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