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DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest

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LaughingMad said:
Earlier in the thread sad endings to scenarios were brought up but I have yet to see speculation on a certain series so allow me to throw my hat into the ring. I believe I may know how and when Shego and Drakken won and what caused Ron to kill himself, or at least not resist Yori and the ninja school faking his death if you want a brighter ending. In the movie So the Drama two very important things happen. The first is that Drakken almost wins and the second is that Ron finally realizes his feelings for Kim. All it would take for the movie to end differently is for Kim to not believe Ron when he tells her about Bueno Nacho and Drakken's plan. By the time Kim figures everything out it is too late and Eric is right there to prevent her from stopping Shego from taking over. At this point Ron is heartbroken because he realizes Kim will never return his feelings and that their bond of trust does not work both ways. In a rare moment of bitterness for him he decides to end it at the scene of the crime if you will. Committing suicide at the very Bueno Nacho where he figured out the scheme of Drakken as the last place he felt any joy. Let Ron's memorial stand as witness to the altar of broken dreams and unrequited love in this dark world where villians won.
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...Remind me again why you decided that Ron committed suicide?
 
LaughingMad said:
Earlier in the thread sad endings to scenarios were brought up but I have yet to see speculation on a certain series so allow me to throw my hat into the ring. I believe I may know how and when Shego and Drakken won and what caused Ron to kill himself, or at least not resist Yori and the ninja school faking his death if you want a brighter ending. In the movie So the Drama two very important things happen. The first is that Drakken almost wins and the second is that Ron finally realizes his feelings for Kim. All it would take for the movie to end differently is for Kim to not believe Ron when he tells her about Bueno Nacho and Drakken's plan. By the time Kim figures everything out it is too late and Eric is right there to prevent her from stopping Shego from taking over. At this point Ron is heartbroken because he realizes Kim will never return his feelings and that their bond of trust does not work both ways. In a rare moment of bitterness for him he decides to end it at the scene of the crime if you will. Committing suicide at the very Bueno Nacho where he figured out the scheme of Drakken as the last place he felt any joy. Let Ron's memorial stand as witness to the altar of broken dreams and unrequited love in this dark world where villians won.
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Simon_Jester said:
...Remind me again why you decided that Ron committed suicide?
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Huh, I always read that mural scene as Ron having died after overeating at Bueno Nacho....weird
 
Alternatively Ron died/hospitalised from food poisoning at Bueno Nacho and was never around to warn Kim in the first place.
 
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Made in Heaven said:
"I am-!" The figure declares as he charges forwards, "STORKULES!"
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Wile E. Coyote: "Dennis! Ask the question!"

Dennis: "Okay." Turns to Storkules and holds out a sandwich. "Want a sandwich?"

Wile E.Coyote: *SMACK!* Coyote facepalms and mumbles. "I walked right into that one." Speaking with an annoyed tone now. "No, Dennis the other question."

Dennis: Turns to Coyote to reply before turning back. "Oh right that. Hey Mr. Storkules, have you seen Donald?"

Storkules: "You know friend Donald as well!?" Hugs Dennis.

Max: "Oh great now there's two of them." Max sighs as he facepalms while Coyote pats him on the shoulder to try and offer some comfrot.
 
Simon_Jester said:
Remember that the Roger Rabbit narrative isn't entirely descriptive of toons. Ducktales and Darkwing Duck are also canon here, after all. And in Ducktales continuity, it's pretty clear that Donald, Scrooge McDuck, and a lot of the other duck characters are part of multigenerational families with long history.

Some of this may be paradox, but I don't think we should just assume that all second-generation toons are like this.
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Oh definitely not all second generation Toons, for example Huey, Duey and Luey tend to abide by cartoon logic even if they aren't the victims of as much slapstick as their uncle is, but the fact that Max wasn't drawn with a specific trait or desire to make people laugh makes it entirely possible that he just straight up doesn't like Toon antics
TheGleeman said:
Dunno about that one - it was never stated in-universe that Toons can even procreate on their own and Goof Troop never really referenced Max´ mom. That being said, if one takes certain comments from the people behind "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" as canon, then Max is the result of a one-night-stand between Goofy and JESSICA RABBIT (probably before she married Roger, considering how much she genuinely loves him) of all people - would explain his relatively un-toon behaviour most of the time, though.

But yeah, maybe he was explicitly created in-universe to be Goofys son, which would put a lot of existential strain on his mind.
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I mean, Pete Junior pretty explicitly has a mother, Toons have been shown to have sex drives throughout the history of animation, Pepe Le Pew, basically every Toon that met Jessica Rabbit and Max himself towards Roxanne, and iirc there were a couple of mentions of Max's mum in the movies and that she was dead

It's never been definitively stated but I think it's a safe bet that Toons can reproduce
 
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jonasquinn said:
I mean, Pete Junior pretty explicitly has a mother, Toons have been shown to have sex drives throughout the history of animation, Pepe Le Pew, basically every Toon that met Jessica Rabbit and Max himself towards Roxanne, and iirc there were a couple of mentions of Max's mum in the movies and that she was dead

It's never been definitively stated but I think it's a safe bet that Toons can reproduce
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Sex-drive =/= desire or ability to reproduce, friendo...no matter, what Freud on one hand and religous fundies on the other hand may claim

Some people either can´t or won´t have kids, even though they are very sexually active...and I am not even talking about anatomical or biological incompatibilies either.

Heck, just because Max was into Roxanne doesn´t mean that he would have ultimately have any desire to do the horizontal Mambo with her...that´s simply not how sexuality or even attraction works.

As for PJ, again - him and Peg might have been written/created as mother and son by whatever keeps Toons going. Plus, can you imagine Peg and PETE having sex?

So in the end hints remain inconclusive.
 
Really, let it go
TheGleeman said:
Sex-drive =/= desire or ability to reproduce, friendo...no matter, what Freud on one hand and religous fundies on the other hand may claim

Some people either can´t or won´t have kids, even though they are very sexually active...and I am not even talking about anatomical or biological incompatibilies either.

Heck, just because Max was into Roxanne doesn´t mean that he would have ultimately have any desire to do the horizontal Mambo with her...that´s simply not how sexuality or even attraction works.

As for PJ, again - him and Peg might have been written/created as mother and son by whatever keeps Toons going. Plus, can you imagine Peg and PETE having sex?

So in the end hints remain inconclusive.
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Of course having a sex drive doesn't necessarily mean that they can or will have children but it also solves a pretty big step in the process

As for PJ and Max as far as I'm aware neither of them were created, in universe anyway, to be in a movie or show which means that they would've had to be created by someone that wanted Pete and Goofy to have children just for the sake of them having drew to meet the prerequisite for bringing their creation to life

It's by no means a certainty but I'd say there's more proof suggesting that it's possible than it isn't
TempestK said:
Guys, could you please table this? It's creepy.
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How's it creepy? We're just discussing whether Toons can reproduce or are entirely dependent on artists for their continued survival and what impact being a second generation Toon might have
 
Simon_Jester said:
...Remind me again why you decided that Ron committed suicide?
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In one of the discord streams it was mentioned that they found Cheez, as in the fale cheese with a z, from Bueno Nacho in Ron's lungs. Normally you could write that off as a joke.But given Ron's enhanced durability, his eating the food at Bueno Nacho for years without worry, and his normal activation of his Mystical Monkey Power when in mortal danger a disturbing picture emerges. In order for Ron to have died that brutally from Bueno Nacho requires serious effort on his part. That goes past the realm of accidental overeating and into the realm of dedicated self harm.
 
Pffftt wow Jesus this whole quest chain feels like I'm reading an old school loony toons cartoon. I'm really enjoying the shenanigans, failures and all so far. And goddamn can't believe the damn bird exactly fucked over a successful roll.
 
LaughingMad said:
In one of the discord streams it was mentioned that they found Cheez, as in the fale cheese with a z, from Bueno Nacho in Ron's lungs. Normally you could write that off as a joke.But given Ron's enhanced durability, his eating the food at Bueno Nacho for years without worry, and his normal activation of his Mystical Monkey Power when in mortal danger a disturbing picture emerges. In order for Ron to have died that brutally from Bueno Nacho requires serious effort on his part. That goes past the realm of accidental overeating and into the realm of dedicated self harm.
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Aside from the fact that once more important background info is being broadcast far away from this quest (creating an inequality in the process, but I already explained that problem to no avail), the fact that fake cheese was instrumental in Ron´s demise despite his epithet implying him to be of a rather sturdy digestive constitution does seem rather peculiar indeed.

Heck, I wouldn´t exclude the idea of that harm NOT being self-inflicted in the end.

Troubling indeed...
 
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TheGleeman said:
Aside from the fact that once more important background info is being broadcast far away from this quest (creating an inequality in the process, but I already explained that problem to no avail), the fact that fake cheese was instrumental in Ron´s demise despite his epithet implying him to be of a rather sturdy digestive constitution does seem rather peculiar indeed.

Heck, I wouldn´t exclude the idea of that harm NOT being self-inflicted in the end.

Troubling indeed...
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Dude, of course it was a joke. Do we really need to self censor things that don't matter while watching movies and sharing Disney things with friends? I don't see myself doing that.
 
TheGleeman said:
Aside from the fact that once more important background info is being broadcast far away from this quest (creating an inequality in the process, but I already explained that problem to no avail), the fact that fake cheese was instrumental in Ron´s demise despite his epithet implying him to be a rather sturdy digestive constitution does seem rather peculiar indeed.

Heck, I wouldn´t exclude the idea of that harm NOT being self-inflicted in the end.

Troubling indeed...
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Okay, gonna shut this down right now. Not only was this an obvious joke, LaughingMad isn't even remembering the phrasing right. Neither the QM, I, or our other occasional showwriter will EVER give plot-critical information over the Doofquest Discord, nor have we ever done so previously. If other people on the Discord want to give setting information about locations, backstory, or Gridlocked as a whole to people participating in Doofquest, that is their prerogative, because it is a server designed for the express purpose of helping people find out more about the DVV setting. But quite frankly that can be more inconvenient to you than it is helpful, since plenty of the stuff in the setting lore can and will be contradicted by any GM who feels like it.

For example, default DVV has Max Goof estranged from his father. That is blatantly not the case here.
 
Sorry about the unwarranted tangent everyone. I was looking for a way to create a darkest possible timeline for KP and when I remembered the discord joke I took this weird idea I had an ran with it. Sorry for all the confusion.
 
Arathnorn said:
Okay, gonna shut this down right now. Not only was this an obvious joke, LaughingMad isn't even remembering the phrasing right. Neither the QM, I, or our other occasional showwriter will EVER give plot-critical information over the Doofquest Discord, nor have we ever done so previously. If other people on the Discord want to give setting information about locations, backstory, or Gridlocked as a whole to people participating in Doofquest, that is their prerogative, because it is a server designed for the express purpose of helping people find out more about the DVV setting. But quite frankly that can be more inconvenient to you than it is helpful, since plenty of the stuff in the setting lore can and will be contradicted by any GM who feels like it.

For example, default DVV has Max Goof estranged from his father. That is blatantly not the case here.
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Well, that joke blew up completly then..Another reason why I don´t like information inequality resulting from keeping important info HERE.

Anyway, I definitely wouldn´t go so far as to call Max and Goofy "estranged"...their relationship looks to me like a typically healty father-son thing, even though Max regularly gets embarrassed about his Dad understandably enough.

jonasquinn said:
If we were going into detail about Toon reproduction you'd be right but we're just discussing if it's possible
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Pretty much, yes

weredrago2 said:
Short answer: The stork delivers the babies.
Long anwser: There is no long answer. Stop asking questions in this direction.
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Well, thank you for your draconian decree, pal...
 
Folks, if you have DVV questions, ask them here whenever you have them. The QM or anyone who has the answer will typically provide it, barring cases where it would be a quest spoiler.

Saying there is an information bottleneck implies there is a degree of exclusivity when the information is readily availible through DVV GMs, the QM, and DVV Google Drive. Its like saying a Discord where people talk about Star Wars and a Star Wars Quest is withholding information from the Star Wars Quest followers on SV. It isn't. Just ask.
 
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