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DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest

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Arathnorn said:
I wanted to make a followup on the Doofania topic. It seems like there's still some interest in creating a separate society outside of the united states.
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Thank you for taking the time to lay things out.

First, you'd need to find a location imicable to life that is currently unpopulated, or at least, has locals you're comfortable pushing around. This may be harder that you'd think in a setting this jam-packed with content.
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"setting this jam-packed with content"
"jam-packed"
…so how is Australia doing in DDV? Or Canada? Or Mexico? Or anywhere that isn't the US?
Assuming Metamoor is a normal sized Earth-like planet, how much of it does Meridian control? Just the one city and its outlying towns? Enough land that a guardian cannot fly across it in a day? One of several continents? The whole world? If the whole world how do they administer it without communication technology?
How many fallen Titans are there in the Owl House dimension? And is the ocean shallow enough that we could just build an island out of volcanos?
Does the Amphibia would really have only the one landmass?

While there is a lot of stuff packed into the 'explored' parts of the setting there is also vast, vast vast vast amounts of blank unexplored area that should logically exist.

Then, you'd need to convince people to go. While the promise of a new and better life has always been an effective tactic, the degree afield this hypothetical Doofania would be going would require any potential immigrants to feel pretty strongly that making the jump is worth it- especially since you're unlikely to recieve much help from 'official' border controls. Don't expect many people from first world countries, and expect both advertising and transportation to be issues.
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First world countries have people literally turning up on their shores/boarders all the time. Transport might take some effort but if you just want 'bums on seats' finding people is not a problem. I would expect more issues relating to language and law/custom differences than recruitment.

You could also just blatantly flaunt the coverup, of course, but that will make people upset.
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Feature, not bug. Half the point of having our own country is that no one has any legitimate right to dictate what we do. The masquerade is not helpful to us and gets less so as we advance down the occult trees.

This is, of course, not noting the fact that this would all be on top what is already a multi-action megaproject, comparable to Xanatos' moonbase or other big projects people are kicking around.
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Honestly having an explicit mega-project might actually get the thread to focus on something for more than a turn. So again: feature, not bug.
 
KnownParadox said:
Bill, DOR15, Bellwether if they're a predator, Waternoose, Toffee, and the most recently added King's, Andrias and the Core, literally do all of the above of (attempted, maybe succeeded here) killing, mind controlling, and torturing. Going for the hat trick.
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I still feel like we should have capitalized on the Olympia Shareholder Scandal to deniably strike out against DOR15 by raising a stink about anti-mind control protocols and technologies. "I may have conquered the Tri-State Area but I didn't violate anyone's free will to do it! Buy the Doofenshmirtz Evil Hypnosis Detect-inator to protect your mental sanctity and that of your loved ones."
 
Angelform said:
Feature, not bug. Half the point of having our own country is that no one has any legitimate right to dictate what we do. The masquerade is not helpful to us and gets less so as we advance down the occult trees.
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other people who do care about the masquerade will be breaking down our door to shove their feet up our ass if we just blow open the masquerade, regardless of if we're in the US or soverign territory.
 
KnownParadox said:
Well maybe not a public announcement, but an internal memo going around DEI, you know, just to make it clear what we're about, and what we aren't.

Or just the council.
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I mean, a memo like that sounds like it'd backfire in the "methinks thou doth protest too much" sense.

If you work with children in a routine capacity, then yeah, there's routine trainings and so on defining "this is what child abuse is, absolutely never do it and yes you are required to report it." But if you're just a random corporation that makes widgets, then such things are unnecessary and adding them to the general circulars that go around everywhere just makes it sound like you're overcompensating, or trying to cover up that some branch DID abuse children.
 
Silent Grove said:
What happens to Doofania after Heinz dies?
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Well we have a few candidates I think. Vanessa is our princess of course, but maybe she doesn't want to rule the Tri-State Area? I've heard talk about Wile Coyote who's pretty competent around the board, Mirage did ok in our absence and so is the only one with experience, and finally Janna because I think it would be very funny.
 
"Behold, employees of DEI and various gathered town residents, my latest invention: the Articles of Confederationinator! This device will fire at our recently…ah, acquired Declaration of Independence and convert it into nonsense words! No one will be able to understand it and I can then legally argue that Doofania is independent!

"That is not, at all, how this works, Dr. Doofenschmirtz."

"Oh quiet you, Agent Russ, who understands the law anyway?"

Meanwhile, in Los Angeles, the Devil sneezes.
 
Arathnorn said:
First, you'd need to find a location imicable to life that is currently unpopulated, or at least, has locals you're comfortable pushing around. This may be harder that you'd think in a setting this jam-packed with content.
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Or. Now heres the big idea. We take the bit that we already have the most control over, and we just yoink it into the air and fly away.
Sure we might have to fight off a fleet of sky pirates!
But that's more a perk than a problemo.
 
Angelform said:
Feature, not bug. Half the point of having our own country is that no one has any legitimate right to dictate what we do. The masquerade is not helpful to us and gets less so as we advance down the occult trees.
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I will note that flaunting the masquerade will force the US Government's hand in publically acknowledging and dealing with whatever project you may be doing. This may lead to situations such as 'regulations on the use of magic' or 'the US military knocking at your door.' There is not one nation in the world that would be okay with a megacorp building any kind of sovereign nation publically, because as it turns out, there actually a fair few billionaires kicking around, and setting the precedent of letting billionaires pop up micronations like tumours inside your power base is not good. So no country would willingly acknowledge a hypothetical Doofanian state if they found out about it because of what it represents.

I want to make this clear. Publically declaring independence will draw at least as much heat as, say, firing a death ray at the Eyrie Building. It's the equivalent of a Crisis for the US Government, and they would respond as such.

If you think it's worth it? Go wild. Just be prepared for the quest to recenter itself around the many many things you'd have to do in order to make this dream a reality for...a very long time. Going forwards with building a nation-state from the ground up would be one of the biggest action sinks possible on the scale of the quest. It'd certainly dwarf, and would probably necessitate you abandoning, for instance, finding Star, or reclaiming the Wasteland.
 
Ciber said:
Or. Now heres the big idea. We take the bit that we already have the most control over, and we just yoink it into the air and fly away.
Sure we might have to fight off a fleet of sky pirates!
But that's more a perk than a problemo.
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90% of your population would take to the now extremely unstable streets in protest if you just suddenly... yoinked Doofania away. There is a limit to how much weirdness even the people of this city will tolerate. They are very happy where it is. Also the United States would immediately declare you a terrorist, and act accordingly.
 
Argidoll said:
So no country would willingly acknowledge a hypothetical Doofanian state if they found out about it because of what it represents.
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Is making one in Drusselstein/doing the invade Drusselstein an exception to this because, well, it's the country no one wants to acknowledge as per the action description? As in, it's still a hard amount of state building but not 'US Gov Crisis' level?
 
Shade31415 said:
Is making one in Drusselstein/doing the invade Drusselstein an exception to this because, well, it's the country no one wants to acknowledge as per the action description? As in, it's still a hard amount of state building but not 'US Gov Crisis' level?
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Drusselstein is the Earthside loophole because no one wants to acknowledge it at all. No one will recognize your control over it outside its borders, but they will at least not care very much what you do there.
 
KnownParadox said:
Well we have a few candidates I think. Vanessa is our princess of course, but maybe she doesn't want to rule the Tri-State Area? I've heard talk about Wile Coyote who's pretty competent around the board, Mirage did ok in our absence and so is the only one with experience, and finally Janna because I think it would be very funny.
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I would advocate for Princess COFFEE JAVA. Once we get CJ properly Sparked, she'd be in the best position, both in terms of applicable skill and right of primogeniture to inherit the throne as eternal benevolent cyber-queen.
 
sunsunsunsunsun said:
other people who do care about the masquerade will be breaking down our door to shove their feet up our ass if we just blow open the masquerade, regardless of if we're in the US or soverign territory.
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There is a great deal of room between "some postage-stamp country no one admits exists isn't hiding magic" and "blowing the masquerade". And even more if the country is on an entirely different world.

Doof gets away with claiming he rules the Tri-state area because picking a fight with him is dangerous. He gets to unleash villains and imprison people on a whim because even the most powerful factions cannot strike at him trivially. If we run an add campaign about how Hawaii is still there and mail everyone a pamphlet detailing glyph magic then we become a problem worth the effort of attacking. But no one is going to make a move become some foreign country run by a mad scientist is rumoured to have weird stuff going on.

Argidoll said:
Publically declaring independence
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Why would we bother? Option one is to take over a country that, explicitly, no one will object to us taking over because they pretend it doesn't exist. Option two is to build a country in another dimension, which the governments of the world refuses to admit exist.

Declaring independence is not a necessary step to being independent.

Just be prepared for the quest to recenter itself around the many many things you'd have to do in order to make this dream a reality for...a very long time.
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Honestly? Feature, not bug. I came for the advertised Doof CKII and stayed for the character interactions and general writing quality. Dumping all the shadowrun stuff to actually play CKII would be great.

Also I still haven't gotten any answer about why we should care one whit about the wasteland. Why do people keep bringing it us as something important?
 
Arathnorn said:
Then, you'd need to convince people to go. While the promise of a new and better life has always been an effective tactic, the degree afield this hypothetical Doofania would be going would require any potential immigrants to feel pretty strongly that making the jump is worth it- especially since you're unlikely to receive much help from 'official' border controls. Don't expect many people from first world countries, and expect both advertising and transportation to be issues.
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Or we... don't. There is absolutely nothing that says we have to start with human beings.

We could literally clone wars this party, or make a utopia fully templated on our perfect son and just get real with the steel, or see what abominations Jumba would be up for if we opened up that bag of nonsense. Or we could open up a temporal portal and lead a time-copy of the actual Mongol Empire into new pastures and see how they like riding bioengineered harrier jets instead of horses.

Nothing says any of this is wise... most of this is on the list of ways to make Bill Cypher think you are kind of a cool dude... but, yeah, the options are there.
 
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We do have the robots and the well Genus at genes to make almost anything we want. Although if we do kick it, I would say have it be Princess Java. I'm sort of hopping that we'll be the start of the Tempest Domain.
 
Style&Grace said:
All ya gotta do is roll a one at just the right point ;)

Jokes aside, I do hope the masquerades fall, just because I find it'd be the more interesting story and tbh I've never really been a fan of the trope. Plus I'm against hiding knowledge.
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Given we've had several incident within the last couple years in-Quest, I agree that it's on shaky ground, and there's a sort of 'Global DC' effect in regards to any one Masquerade failing in turn weakening all the rest, and the Flubber/Hawaii Masquerade is basically guaranteed to fail at some point. People will eventually realize that, hey, it's still there. If Lunaris invades, the Alien Masquerade is going to be absolutely gutted, and in the worst-case for the Masquerade, responding to his invasion leads to direct damage to other Masquerades. I could see troop movements to respond to his assault passing by Hawaii, for example.
 
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