- Location
- The City of Tears, Hallownest
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Wait, why is this a public opinion decrease?!
DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest
- Thread starter Made in Heaven
- Start date
- Crossover
Because of a copy/paste error, the second reward option was attached to flubber weather manipulation, not terraforming.
- Location
- Germany
Just for the record:
Where would you most likely see a hypothetical "Research In-Vitro Meat" option sitting, in terms of both DC and priority?
Eh, I would guess to the DC to be somewhere between 80 and 130. In terms of importance I'd place it somewhere around getting the Doofmobile. I just want the Doofmobile.
- Location
- Germany
...Any particular reason why you want it that bad?
And what even IS the Doofmobile in the first place?
- Location
- Australia
We've already researched climate controlled environments so the hydroponics should be easy to setup.
We've already researched dinosaur herbivore genetics so it should be fairly easy to get something working.
I'm imagining Jumba making something like an altered dinosaur without limbs, eyes or a complex brain. A being designed to just eat and lay large eggs filled with meat.
If we do crop genetics first we could probably do something like having meaty cucumbers grow in a hydroponics vat.
If we do cure genetic diseases first we could probably start selling synthetic Soylent green as a luxury product. We could also grow cloned organs to use in medical transplants.
- Location
- Germany
I need not say more.
...so, basically the HOMER of our vehicle lines? Fair enough
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Critical Rolls
Your chance of critical success is now defined as 1/10th of your chance of success, rounded to the nearest percent. Your chance of critical failure is now defined as 1/10 of the chance to fail, rounded to the nearest percent. To illustrate:
If you have a 20% chance of success: 8% chance crit fail, 2% chance crit success
If you have a 50% chance of success: 5% crit fail, 5% crit success
If you have 80%: 2% crit fail, 8% crit success
No matter what else might effect circumstance, you cannot Critically Succeed at a greater percentage than you could normally fail. If you have a CoS of 3%, your Crit Success chance cannot be more than 3% as well.
As always, what character you place on a roll can effect how it plays out and cause knock-on effects. Jumba critting on a genetics roll for example is likely to provide a much more impressive breakthrough than Monogram assigned to the same action, and Toons are likely to stumble into success through odd coincidences. Likewise, a crit fail is likely to be informed by 'what foible or weakness of this character would cause them to screw up massively, and how would that play out?'
Bare Failures are unchanged but will now be much less valuable, as reduced DC will now have a much smaller effect on critical chance.
As Learning actions tend to have very specialized categories without easily-transferable skills, learning actions by default have a 5% increased crit failure chance if the unit assigned is not a specialist in that area. This applies to both councilors and heroes.
Explosions
Explosions have changed. Now, if you roll a crit success, you may roll another d100 as an explosion. On another crit success, it becomes a double crit. A theoretical triple crit is again possible, and so on.
There are no crit failure explosions.
You will no longer be able to reduce Explosion Thresholds or DC with XP. XP from now on will always be used to add to your rolls.
Traits
Joking Around has changed.
Joking Around: Toons add a certain spice to life that few others can match. Any roll this unit is assigned to has the inverse of its normal critical chance. Critical failure chance is defined as the odds of success divided by 10 rounded to the nearest number, where the critical success chance is defined as ten minus that number. In addition, once these numbers are calculated, critical failure chance and critical success chance are both increased by 5%.
Traits based off of Joking Around have also changed.
The Omnidisiplinary trait has changed.
Omnidisiplinary: This unit is a master of almost every branch of science imaginable. They do not take critical penalties from any learning actions.
Doofenshmirtz's Omnidisiplinary has been changed to:
Master of the Weird: Doofenshmirtz has spent so long having his countless strange inventions blow up in his face that he has... started... to sort of... be better about that. He also refuses to stop sticking his long nose into his heroes' research. All learning critical penalties are reduced by 1%.
Your chance of critical success is now defined as 1/10th of your chance of success, rounded to the nearest percent. Your chance of critical failure is now defined as 1/10 of the chance to fail, rounded to the nearest percent. To illustrate:
If you have a 20% chance of success: 8% chance crit fail, 2% chance crit success
If you have a 50% chance of success: 5% crit fail, 5% crit success
If you have 80%: 2% crit fail, 8% crit success
No matter what else might effect circumstance, you cannot Critically Succeed at a greater percentage than you could normally fail. If you have a CoS of 3%, your Crit Success chance cannot be more than 3% as well.
As always, what character you place on a roll can effect how it plays out and cause knock-on effects. Jumba critting on a genetics roll for example is likely to provide a much more impressive breakthrough than Monogram assigned to the same action, and Toons are likely to stumble into success through odd coincidences. Likewise, a crit fail is likely to be informed by 'what foible or weakness of this character would cause them to screw up massively, and how would that play out?'
Bare Failures are unchanged but will now be much less valuable, as reduced DC will now have a much smaller effect on critical chance.
As Learning actions tend to have very specialized categories without easily-transferable skills, learning actions by default have a 5% increased crit failure chance if the unit assigned is not a specialist in that area. This applies to both councilors and heroes.
Explosions
Explosions have changed. Now, if you roll a crit success, you may roll another d100 as an explosion. On another crit success, it becomes a double crit. A theoretical triple crit is again possible, and so on.
There are no crit failure explosions.
You will no longer be able to reduce Explosion Thresholds or DC with XP. XP from now on will always be used to add to your rolls.
Traits
Joking Around has changed.
Joking Around: Toons add a certain spice to life that few others can match. Any roll this unit is assigned to has the inverse of its normal critical chance. Critical failure chance is defined as the odds of success divided by 10 rounded to the nearest number, where the critical success chance is defined as ten minus that number. In addition, once these numbers are calculated, critical failure chance and critical success chance are both increased by 5%.
Traits based off of Joking Around have also changed.
The Omnidisiplinary trait has changed.
Omnidisiplinary: This unit is a master of almost every branch of science imaginable. They do not take critical penalties from any learning actions.
Doofenshmirtz's Omnidisiplinary has been changed to:
Master of the Weird: Doofenshmirtz has spent so long having his countless strange inventions blow up in his face that he has... started... to sort of... be better about that. He also refuses to stop sticking his long nose into his heroes' research. All learning critical penalties are reduced by 1%.
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ExNihilo
SPACE!
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
So, let's say there's an action with a 0% chance of success, dc300 or something. Does this mean that if a Joking Around character is assigned, they have a 15% chance of critical success (and 5% chance of critfail)?
That sounds neat. Not sure if it would be worth it, but neat.
So does this mean if we succeed on an action with our base roll, we have a zero percent chance of crit failing?
In other words do we still crit fail on a nat1?
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Slight typo. The number should be 10%, and It can't be done if there is an exact 0% chance of success. Edited
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- Pronouns
- He/Him
You no longer crit fail on a nat 1 unless you have at least a 10% chance of failure.
- Location
- Australia
I think you made a typo here.
I assume you mean circumstancial increases to critical chances of success or failure can't move the threshold between successes and failure. They can only move the thresholds between normal outcomes and critical outcomes.
Well, that's gonna be pretty annoying to deal with.
Yikes. Well, a lot of our Toons just became way less viable.
- Location
- Washington
So I saw that Chip n Dale movie. I have to wonder if anything from it will be used in this quest.
- Location
- USA
The government has replaced Russ with a new special agent...
- Location
- USA
Not really.
Ludivine is omni-disciplinary so no problem there.
And we have a genetics/alientech expert, a computer/AI/robot expert, a bug/robot expert, a computer code/computer security expert, a optics/energy field expert, a mind control expert, and a magitech/summoning expert.
We've got quite a bit of coverage.
- Location
- Somewhere nearby.
All I know from that movie is Ugly Sonic, which would be a strange addition all things considered.
But do we have an expert in whatever random shiny bullshit showed up this week?
- Location
- USA
We'll just hire one.
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We have a hard cap on hero slots dude.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
That plays badly with hero caps, so we have a mechanical problem there.
@Arathnorn , I think this is correct. This strongly disincentivizes us from using Toon characters for National actions, and frankly makes them a liability on quests too. If you use a Toon on something that's likely to succeed, you're punished by high critical failure risks. If you use a Toon on something that's likely to fail, you have a relatively high chance of a Critical Success and low risk of Critical Failure... but you're still very likely to fail, which effectively wastes the action.
I would suggest that you modify the Toon trait to something more like "add a flat bonus to BOTH Critical Success AND Critical Failure chances." That way, the effect is mechanically balanced, and doesn't actively punish you with high risk of disaster as a penalty for giving a toon a task that is otherwise likely to succeed.
Didn't we make Ludivine our councillor and didn't that take her out of circulation for purposes of actually taking National Learning actions?
- Location
- USA
I did the math and as long as we do actions with 35% chance of success or less we are net benefiting from Joking Around. And considering high DC actions are a thing... If we find one in the sweet spot of 10% chance of success we get 9 times more crit success chance (1% to 9%) and a third less crit fail chance (9% to 6%).
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