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DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest

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weredrago2 said:
Like with "Toonforce". The word was used in the main info post as a catch-all for all of the chicannery that happens around toons. However, putting a label on it gave people the impression that the aspects of toons can be quantified, controlled, or otherwise put in a box. Which was never the intent at all. You can't game the rules of toons (which necessitates taking them seriously) and attempts to do are guaranteed to blow up in your face. Russ can go with the flow, but rarely does he get the chance to steer the ship. For that reason, we might distance the quest from using "toonforce" in the future.
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Tooniness?

Toonacy?
 
weredrago2 said:
Howdy folks! As we work on the next update, we'd like to get a quick grasp of what you all as players feel may need to be clarified in terms of the game functions and setting. We try to be transparent about that with info posts, but some things tend to fall through the cracks. Other times, we screw up and it needlessly confuses people.

Like with "Toonforce". The word was used in the main info post as a catch-all for all of the chicannery that happens around toons. However, putting a label on it gave people the impression that the aspects of toons can be quantified, controlled, or otherwise put in a box. Which was never the intent at all. You can't game the rules of toons (which necessitates taking them seriously) and attempts to do are guaranteed to blow up in your face. Russ can go with the flow, but rarely does he get the chance to steer the ship. For that reason, we might distance the quest from using "toonforce" in the future.

That's one example of things we plan to iron out in the future. Can you guys as the audience think of anything else that might be a source of misunderstanding?
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Is Income actually income? Or is it Wealth?

Also, how in the world does anyone ever hire the Commodore? Given that the fraction of 1 income which got us the sandwich was, like, in the 6 or 7 digits, how does anyone ever hire them for 7 income?
 
BurnBright said:
Is Income actually income? Or is it Wealth?

Also, how in the world does anyone ever hire the Commodore? Given that the fraction of 1 income which got us the sandwich was, like, in the 6 or 7 digits, how does anyone ever hire them for 7 income?
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Maybe that's what the Commodore chooses to charge us, given our conspicuous Eeevil branding? :p

(Yes, this is an explanation with holes in it)
 
BurnBright said:
Is Income actually income? Or is it Wealth?

Also, how in the world does anyone ever hire the Commodore? Given that the fraction of 1 income which got us the sandwich was, like, in the 6 or 7 digits, how does anyone ever hire them for 7 income?
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Well remember that we had a "moderate decrease to income" because Income is a very abstract system and we brought 30 "money units" to the auction.
 
BurnBright said:
Is Income actually income? Or is it Wealth?

Also, how in the world does anyone ever hire the Commodore? Given that the fraction of 1 income which got us the sandwich was, like, in the 6 or 7 digits, how does anyone ever hire them for 7 income?
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From Arathnorn:

"Income is an extremely deliberately vague abstraction of Doof's 'spending money'. It is the money that he is able to siphon away from the operations of his megacorp for the purposes of his wacky schemes, odd fancies, mercenary contracts, and strange obsessions. It is quite deliberately never going to have a clear explanation on an exact dollar amount, because like hell are we bookkeeping that.

"Many tasks have a lower income amount than you would expect if you were measuring it in pure dollars- it being possible to buy a single sandwich for a significant fraction of a corporation, for example, and the reason for this is that Income only represents Doof's spending money, extraneous to the company. More 'down to earth', profitable, or sane actions are likely to cost less than one might expect, as it is justifiable to partially expend the Income of DEI itself in the process of acquiring something, that, you know, you could justify in a board meeting.

"This is also why Hostile Takeovers of major megacorps do not have an Income cost at all. The money necessary to buy out a megacorp is so astronomical that Doof's Income meter is functionally meaningless, and only the full brunt of DEI itself can possibly succeed.

"Running out of Income means Doof has to ask anyone he's personally bankrolling to skip payment until he can get his funding in order- leading to a variety of potential stat and opinion penalties."
 
weredrago2 said:
From Arathnorn:

"Income is an extremely deliberately vague abstraction of Doof's 'spending money'. It is the money that he is able to siphon away from the operations of his megacorp for the purposes of his wacky schemes, odd fancies, mercenary contracts, and strange obsessions. It is quite deliberately never going to have a clear explanation on an exact dollar amount, because like hell are we bookkeeping that.

"Many tasks have a lower income amount than you would expect if you were measuring it in pure dollars- it being possible to buy a single sandwich for a significant fraction of a corporation, for example, and the reason for this is that Income only represents Doof's spending money, extraneous to the company. More 'down to earth', profitable, or sane actions are likely to cost less than one might expect, as it is justifiable to partially expend the Income of DEI itself in the process of acquiring something, that, you know, you could justify in a board meeting.

"This is also why Hostile Takeovers of major megacorps do not have an Income cost at all. The money necessary to buy out a megacorp is so astronomical that Doof's Income meter is functionally meaningless, and only the full brunt of DEI itself can possibly succeed.

"Running out of Income means Doof has to ask anyone he's personally bankrolling to skip payment until he can get his funding in order- leading to a variety of potential stat and opinion penalties."
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So "Income" is less a definite amount of money and more a vague "Allowance-Meter" showcasing how hard it´d be for Doof to squirrel away the funds and logistics for any given BS he wants to do on his semi-own...got it.

That´s also why buying out more minor corps like Insuricare DOES have an Income cost that´s annoyingly high - while Doof can get away with doing it with "pocket change" and on his own, doing it that way is a pretty daunting task when not backed by the full might of DEI and its however-ill-defined "Board of Directors".
 
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BurnBright said:
To be fair, we got some level of reconciliation, just nothing so dramatic.
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Yeah, Heinz and Roger *mostly* buried the hatchet a few turns ago, with Roger agreeing to take care of any administrative BS that comes up during us "ruling the Tri-State Area" (while the US at large officially ignores our claim, Roger at least totally accepts that WE are ultimately running the show around Danville and he is only our public stooge in a way), which got rid of that *Bowel of Mints* malus on any Ruling-type Stew actions we would face otherwise.

Aside from that, at least Heinz is seeing Technor about his mental hangups regarding his birth family...dunno if Roger himself is also undergoing therapy about his issues, though.
 
weredrago2 said:
That's one example of things we plan to iron out in the future. Can you guys as the audience think of anything else that might be a source of misunderstanding?
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Heroballs. We've been spinning our wheels for something like 3 or 4 turns because we have no idea how they work, how they're formed, if Black ops is the only way to form one, what makes a good one, what happens after you form one, what traits are going to disappear and so on. I think the biggest sticking point is How do personals work in newly formed heroballs?
 
Ok, so here's everything I found on making up with Roger:

Well. You already stuck your foot in this and could hardly pull back now. "This is the home of my awful parents! Wow, it's looking considerably more ramshackle than I remember!"

A mustachioed man in a mismatched ugly viking helmet poked his head out and swore at you in German. "Bah! Another American! Go away back to the country with my failure son!"

"But he's…" Monogram starts to say.

"I am referring to Roger!"

"Roger?!" you and Francis ask at the same time, exchanging a brief look and shudder of revulsion that you're on the same wavelength even temporarily.

"If that failure could not even hold a position of power, then he is not worth my time. Now begone!" he slams the door in your face. Oh well, you've had that happen dozens of times before.

This thing with Roger, though, you...have no idea how to respond to this! Nothing in your life has prepared you for this moment, what should you do?!

[ ] Think about reconciling with Roger. (Sure, Roger might've had it easy for most of his life, but in the end he had the same awful parents as you did. Maybe you can empathize over this?)
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Sure, your brother's always been kind of a jerk. Maybe even a huge jerk at times, but you know what? You're going to be the bigger man here. This silly little grudge of yours has carried on for too long! You already got your revenge the day you forced him out of office with an army of Normbots and sent him to live in Doofania's Little Drusselstein district. It's time to put your parents behind you and move on as Supreme Leader of Doofania! Sure, you might never become friends, but at the very least you can put this petty rivalry behind you for good.
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Surprisingly, this wasn't nearly as painful or as awkward as you had feared. Roger was still living in his apartment near the Little Drusselstein district and seemed remarkably dour when you first called him up. It looked like he had got the news as well. After inviting him over to lunch you started to commiserate about your awful parents, and even Roger readily admitted that they weren't all that great despite showing clear favoritism to him for most of his life. He wasn't even sarcastic or snarky about it! You haven't made any truly groundbreaking progress, but you're well on your way to burying the hatchet for good.
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You returned to your penthouse to pack your bags for Acapulco, having spent a few hours earlier in the day meeting with Roger at one of the diners in town. The two of you reminisced over how awful Drusselsteinian cuisine was and got to talking about the bad old days. Surprisingly, Roger seems to be acting a lot more humble than he had over the past few years- he seems to appreciate you taking the time out of your job ruling the tri-state area to be around him. Something he never did, now that you think of it. Perhaps his exile from power was a swift reality check for the man.

You figured that you're making some excellent progress in burying the hatchet for good, but there's a lot of bad blood between you that won't just disappear overnight. You briefly consider inviting him to Bueno Nacho for lunch next weekend as you ride the elevator before realizing that it would probably do more to destroy your relationship than anything else you could manage if you tried.
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You invited Roger out for lunch again and really made some progress this time, working through all sorts of horrible things you said and did to each other. Your therapy session with Technor helped a lot to realize that Roger was just as much a victim of horrible parenting as you are. You're not going to say that you're best friends or anything, but Roger has certainly warmed up to you a lot more.

Also, it… sorta turns out that you never really 'fired' him as mayor back when you did your takeover, since it's an elected position and all. He's just kinda been quietly doing his job (minus the public appearances) ever since. That's a little embarrassing. The good news is that he has agreed to help you in your megacorp duties whenever he can!

You'd been kicking around the idea of somehow getting Roger to run for election in LA to contest that slimy wad of turpentine Judge Doom, but it turns out that he's perfectly content being the mayor of Doofania and keeping the government satisfied everything is running like normal. Roger's never been to LA and doesn't really have much interest in running for mayor over there.

Roger Doofenshmirtz is now willing to aid you in governmental affairs! And he got rid of those stupid mints! Your 'Bowl of Mints' trait has been completely negated!
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A little get together seemed a good way to close out the year and continue bringing the DEI family closer together. And the Doofenshmirtz family too, actually. For the first time literally ever, you have offered and Roger has accepted to join you at a social event. As one of the few events from your childhood not tainted by the actions of your parents, Christmas has always been a bit of a neutral ground for you. He looks a little out of place among your many eclectic employees, so you do your best to give him what you hope is an encouraging smile. You're under few illusions about the many, many other things still wrong with you, but you are happy that this particular chasm has finally been mended. You never thought you'd see the day.
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Please @ me if there's anything I missed.
 
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Even if it doesn't improve Doof's stats (I could see it lessening the malus he gets from his villainous pride), building a relationship with Roger is worth it imo from a roleplaying perspective.
 
Mojave said:
Even if it doesn't improve Doof's stats (I could see it lessening the malus he gets from his villainous pride), building a relationship with Roger is worth it imo from a roleplaying perspective.
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We already have a relationship with Roger, and getting a therapist for your brother is super rude and presumptuous, he's quite capable of making those appointments if he needs them. I don't really see where Doof enters the picture with Roger's hypothetical therapy.
 
For shits and giggles, have some Inator ideas

(I'm still working my way through the thread so if Inator ideas have been, like, banned or something let me know)

Doofania-Inator: For some reason, people still don't seem to really get the fact that you're obviously the supreme, disputably undisputed ruler of the Tri-2 and 1/2-State Area! This is a problem, and when you have problems, you build Inator's to fix them!
Good version:
Everyone in "Doofania" suddenly feels a swell of national pride, and everyone outside it suddenly feels a newfound respect. Gain a moderate public opinion increase, and any actions that might potentially anger the Federal Government will not do so this turn.

Bad version:
Every last inch of the Tri-State Area is suddenly covered in Doofanian propaganda in the form of posters, billboards, and even exclusive Doofenschmirtz merchandise. The people think this is tacky and more than a little annoying, and the government doesn't like you trying to push your independence so overtly. Gain a moderate public opinion decrease as well as a decrease in relations with the US government. Additionally, the DC of any actions involving Government collaboration goes up by 10 for this turn.
 
Paddywagon Man said:
We already have a relationship with Roger, and getting a therapist for your brother is super rude and presumptuous, he's quite capable of making those appointments if he needs them. I don't really see where Doof enters the picture with Roger's hypothetical therapy.
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We also already have a relationship with Judge Doom. I mean a better relationship.
 
Arathnorn said:
It's almost entirely Mirage.
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Wasn´t it stated multiple times, that we got a veritable army of at least pencil-pushers working hard in the background to keep the Mikado-Jenga-Hybrid-tower that is the administrative level of DEI from collapsing into itself and dragging the entire Midwest´s economy with it?

That made me think that while Mirage is our most visible director-grade emplyoee, she isn´t even close to the only one.
 
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