- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
I believe it was mentioned nwish literally wasn't able to post for a period of time, so that could explain it.
DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest
- Thread starter Made in Heaven
- Start date
- Crossover
- Location
- Somewhere nearby.
I did mention a little bit after the roll itself happened, I got exactly what I wanted from it.
weredrago2
"Cowabunga, Shadow the Hedgehog..."
- Location
- Florida
"I just didn't want there to be any hard feelings."
"About the chip you didn't steal from me?"
"Exactly!"
"..."
"Would it help if I said Shego didn't help me not steal the chip--"
"Go-Go Sinatra Machine Gun!"
Vanessa Gripes
Stratagemini
Totally a Fire Ferret.
- Location
- Central Park
- Pronouns
- He/Him/They/Them
Vanessa Gripes
"Vanessa? What are you doing here?" Janna asked as she saw her Boss' daughter and her own fellow... employee? at the magic section of the company library. She couldn't have gotten lost, it wasn't exactly somewhere you managed to end up by mistake, not after Kitsune decided to hide it by disguising the entrance as the door to a girl's bathroom with caution tape, sign posts and a puddle of water seeping out from underneath the door.
"I'm returning a book. Grunkle Malph borrowed something and he can't return it himself since he's a ghost, and since his Potted Meat minions unionized and they're still negotiating a contract with him, that leaves me or dad to return it, and dad threw me under the bus when Grunkle Malph said he was going to make me his apprentice."
"You're a goth?" Janna asked, shocked.
"What? No! I'm a punk, not a goth! Why do you think I'm a Goth?"
"Well, aside from the wearing all black thing, you know learning magic," Janna explained.
"The black is just my style, it's not a goth thing! And the magic is... I do know some magic, but only because my dad said I need to learn how to defend against 'witches, spells and wood trolls' since mom got rid of our lawn gnome. It doesn't make me a goth!"
"But the black clothes, the magic, and the rich princess vibe really do imply..."
"I'm not a Goth! God, you're worse than my dad. You know he's started sending me Visigothic artifacts on my birthday? This is going to continue for years, Janna. For years."
Janna laughed.
"So what kind of magic are you studying anyway?" Janna wondered. Vanessa hadn't seemed super into the weird and creepy last time she grabbed her to watch a summoning, but maybe she was getting character development? Like Marco had after Star arrived?
"Ancient Roman Sorcery. Grunkle Malph is big into the classics, and apparently he means that literally. Last week he taught me how to make a curse tablet."
"Did he teach you the Voces Mysticae? Felldrake was talking about them a couple months back. Sounded interesting but Felldrake said I wouldn't have time to learn them with the syllabus he wanted to teach me."
"Ugh. Don't remind me. Secret words that only spirits understand? It was like reading Jabberwocky over and over until I could feel the meanings of the words in my mind. I thought I was going insane."
"I feel you," Janna commiserated. "Kitsune's taken an interest in teaching me. Last time she turned into one of my mortal enemies and taunted me about killing all my friends. It's really a drag."
Vanessa blinked and reassessed the severity of her own problems, and her ability to detect sarcasm, because from the tone alone she would have thought Janna was completely serious.
"Right. So yeah, I know a little, but not much. I'm just returning the book for my Grunkle."
Janna looked at her as if reassessing her opinion of her.
"You're cooler than I thought you were," Janna declared with a confident nod. "I'll give you a heads up next time we summon Celena. She's Tom's thrid cousin? Second cousin once removed? Something like that anyway. You'd get a kick out of her, and she really oughta meet some new people."
"I guess Tom's not that bad. He had good taste with that alt electropop album he recommended me. No reason not to meet his cousin."
"Yeah, I knew you were cool! See you then!" Janna waved.
It was only when she got to the counter that Vanessa realized the girl had stolen the book she was supposed to return while they'd been talking.
"Damn it. Grunkle Malph is going monologue to me about this isn't he?"
Vanessa didn't need an answer, and despite how little Vanessa interacted with her, she definitely knew that trying to get Janna to give up her ill-gotten gains was an exercise in futility. With a heavy heart Vanessa pulled out her company credit card and got ready to pay the replacement fee.
She was never getting that book back, after all.
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
I mean, dude. That's kinda fucked? It definitely runs contrary to the entire purpose of quest voting, and I'm probably going to have to vote against any future plans you make on principle, because seriously.
- Location
- Somewhere nearby.
Well that's needlessly petty, I voted for something for a different reason than everyone else so it's fucked and I'm not trustworthy?
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
"What happened to the book?"
"Stolen."
"Janna?"
"Yep."
"Just add the title to the list here."
You're not trustworthy because:
- Location
- Somewhere nearby.
Yes I didn't call attention to it, I figured if it was such a big deal someone else would. Other people made a mistake and I didn't correct them. I probably wouldn't have done that even if it wasn't likely to turn out like it did.
- Location
- Florida
- Pronouns
- He/Him
You voted for something in the hope that it would actively backfire enough to force us to cut off Lovemuffin for narrative purposes over other less self destructive methods.
And while I disagree with that reasoning to vote for something, that's not why people are statng they're wary of trusting you.
Its because you didn't vocalize this and actively worked to make sure this mindset/perception of the action wouldn't reach the thread. Which is something where you basically withheld what could be vital information from the thread, that could have shaped opinions, and who knows. Maybe this doesn't happen, maybe people agree with you and vote for that method, maybe people don't believe you and vote anyway.
It was the lack of information and intention of going behind the thread's back that caused the distrust, and I'd certainly say its a valid distrust here.
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- Location
- Somewhere nearby.
I'm not some cackling manipulator or someone shouting on a soapbox, I'm someone who wanted something to happen and just let it. I legitimately don't know if this will ultimately turn out to be worth it, and I certainly don't think I'm superior in any way to anyone. And the only reason I even said anything about what I wanted from it was because people kept going on about how we were so wrong and we had no idea what we were doing. It was getting annoying to be misrepresented like that because I did know what I was doing.
I literally couldn't say anything when the interlude was posted so it took awhile for me to say anything, and what was the point and saying anything before when somebody else was already saying exactly what I would have said?
When I said I deliberately hid it I misspoke, it wouldn't be the first time I've done so, I was using a text to speech program and I have immense difficulty finding the right words to use.
I literally couldn't say anything when the interlude was posted so it took awhile for me to say anything, and what was the point and saying anything before when somebody else was already saying exactly what I would have said?
When I said I deliberately hid it I misspoke, it wouldn't be the first time I've done so, I was using a text to speech program and I have immense difficulty finding the right words to use.
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Lab_Accident
A 2D 1D4
- Location
- Your dreams
It's like, imagine that LOVEMUFFIN only needs to push a button to win everything forever. A simple press, and their wildest dreams will come true. So obviously, they should do it as soon as possible.
But who gets the honour of pushing the button? Every member of Lovemuffin thinks they should be the one to press it, and is megalomaniacal enough to violently object to the idea of any of the other members pressing it, because that would be as good as admitting that whoever pushed it was superior to them.
The only consensus they can arrive at is that it shouldn't be any of the others to do it, so Lovemuffin argues for hours, to the point of coming to blows, trying to decide who gets to push it. The better part of a day was lost and the button remains unpushed.
Now expand this concept to every single part of a project. It is telling that this turn, when we gave them the all clear, they each worked on a different thing, and were wildly more successful at their individual projects (stupid though those were) than they ever were at any project we assigned them as a group.
Eh, Doof's best interpersonal relationship consists of him and Perry punching each other in the face.
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
The issue isn't with what you wanted to happen. The issue is how you went about achieving it. Part of the quest voting environment is that we work together in good faith to attempt to achieve agreed upon goals. If you want something that is not desired by the majority, you attempt to change their minds. And this doesn't even have to be convincing them to like it; I don't even have a problem with you, say, tellling people you'd vote for a plan if it makes x change, and then accepting achieving something they want more with a trade off.
What I do have a problem with is false pretenses. This means that I can no longer trust you; if you say, this plan is the best way to achieve Y, I now have to check not only if I agree with your stated priorities but also that you aren't lying again. I'd rather vote for a plan I like less with open eyes than wait for someone to yank the football away from me.
- Location
- Pennsylvania
This sort of behavior is not acceptable for the thread, and I don't want to see anything like this going forward. If you have a point to argue, do it openly so people can discuss it rather than trying to hide it behind false pretenses.
- Location
- Somewhere nearby.
I would have said this sooner but I've been having a bit of an anxiety attack, I legitimately didn't think it would be such a big deal and upset everyone. I shouldn't have hidden anything that I thought about what was going on, all I wanted was for it to be a good story that helped our characters move forward. Instead I fucked it up and made it so that you can't trust me anymore and...
I'm sorry is what I'm trying to say, I fucked up, again. I'll be upfront about everything in the future, why do I always do something like this to myself, I ruin everything I try to enjoy.
I'm sorry is what I'm trying to say, I fucked up, again. I'll be upfront about everything in the future, why do I always do something like this to myself, I ruin everything I try to enjoy.
Breath nwish, it happens. LOVEMUFFIN, unless we rolled them into something was always going self destruct. The question was when that was going to happen, which like most things is because of the roll. Which is why I have been tempted from time to time to use a bit of cash to hire some voice work in order to bypast that. Don't quite have the budget for it though.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Voice work? What would that do?
- Location
- USA
Um... calm down.
Near as I can tell you haven't done anything report worthy. Or even technically wrong.
What you did do was kinda brag about how a large screw up was all according to plan, what you wanted to happen, and tried to encourage. That's going to rub other people involved in the quest the wrong way.
Even if you had the best of intentions the way you communicated this to everyone... wasn't great.
Don't freak out about it to much. Just try to learn from this and move forward.
Remember you've gotta fund the exp for a whole turn. We believe in you.
- Location
- Somewhere nearby.
That's prabably a good way to start, sorry @Stratagemini, if I can afford it I'm going to fund the entire turn, calling it now.Remember you've gotta fund the exp for a whole turn. We believe in you.
- Location
- Germany
...Since the issue seems to have been resolved by now and I am simply coming late to the party yet again (different timezones *suck*), I´ll try to make it brief:
I for one wouldn´t have minded at all to "give LM just enough rope to hang themselves with" since I hate these fuckers with a passion for various well-documented reasons.
But the problem here is, that many people were led to believe by multiple sources that LM doing Mad Science wouldn´t backfire like it did and more specifically, *wasn´t meant to backfire in the first place*. Personally, I want our plans to succeed as much as possible - one reasons why the idea forewarded by some to purposefully take actions that are all but guaranteed to fail at least a bit in the hopes of getting the DC lowered a bit for next time (which would only happen in a rather narrow window to begin with) weirds me out like you wouldn´t believe. Then again, the very concept of "failing isn´t bad, since we can still learn from it" weirds me out because of its implied indifference towards collateral damage and Social Darwinist undertones to the detriment of those who were unable to succeed - but that´s probably on me.
Now, I personally would have been up-front with my plans to let these idiots run into a trap, but designed a heap of falisafes that would have at least mitigated the likely fallout, because let´s be honest - the fallout this interlude really hit us hard and is probably the main reason why people are pretty annoyed at the idea of othser purposefully-ish misleading them during voting.
...Then again, my attempts to rally others behind my plans would have probably backfired horribly because of my lacking argumentation skills and my habit of seeing anyone disagreeing as being either simple-minded or willfully contrary because well...I consider myself pretty dumb in general, which causes me to see any reasoning I can come up with as painfully obviousto the public as a whole, so anyone not agreeing with/seeing my opinions must "logically" be either *even dumber* than me (with me to myself being little better than pre-school/caveman-levels of intellect) or deliberately trying to undermine me for nefarious puproses.
So yeah, I probably have *No* room to judge other people´s failings in this regard.
Like that?
Stratagemini
Totally a Fire Ferret.
- Location
- Central Park
- Pronouns
- He/Him/They/Them
I'm still going to fund my own slate, once I figure out what that is.
- Location
- Germany
Anyway, it´s pretty clear that next turn we need to A) polish up our damaged public face and B) make lots of money
One way to achieve both would be to Sponsor SPLIT/Second...You guys think, that it would be BigIdea-able?
One way to achieve both would be to Sponsor SPLIT/Second...You guys think, that it would be BigIdea-able?
The thing about income increases is that most only pay out 1 each 6 turns and we just had payday this turn, increasing our income is important but it can be spread out all along the turns of this year.
- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
You know, it'd be pretty funny if the "race sponsor" route ended up opening the Oban Star Racers arc.
(this is made in jest. not sure if Oban is even in DVV)
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