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- Somewhere nearby.
It wouldn't even be difficult since we would be using the most convincing form of propaganda, the complete and honest truth.
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After Temptation (which almost definitely happened here) and The Reckoning (which admittedly may not have happened or not have happened in the same way it did in canon), Brooklyn siding with Demona is not going to be caused by deception, but by a deliberate choice on his part.
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- Germany
Yes, sometimes being perfectly genuine pays out the best - heck, I´d say that *outright lying* is the absolute worst thing you could do when spinning propaganda, since once your lie blows up noone with three braincells to rub together will ever believe you again even if you are being genuine at some point.
Technically, "propaganda" is just another form of and word for "advertisement" where you advocate your standpoint - propaganda simply got a bad name thanks to institutions like the Third Reich (btw, Demona using children and/or clones reminded me a lot of Nazi Germanys "Volkssturm", where Hitler and his cronies scraped the bottom of the barrel and intended to throw every last even-vaguely-ablebodied man at the Soviets to somehow avert their defeat after all), the Soviet Union and other "Real Socialist" regimes as well as populists of all walks of life using it for their nefarious means.
So yeah, when using propaganda you best stick to the honest truth - variably "garnished" with omissions (like Brooklyn possibly deliberatly joining forces with Demona based on incomplete information) and/or specific wordings (like Xanatos sounding as if he said that Magic isn´t real to soften the blow to Masquerade when in fact he only said that *not all unexplainable things are magical in nature*, which will give him and anyone allied to him room for covert preparation for the Magical Masquerade breaking for good), while using outright fabrications only as absolute last options.
A "deliberate choice" that most likely was steered in a direction suitable for Demonas plans in my mind.
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- The City of Tears, Hallownest
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- He/Him
The best lies contain over 99% truth. An obvious falsehood is frequently obvious. but a true statement that causes the audience to draw a false conclusion, thats artistry. The place of Archeopteryx is frequently misunderstood by the general populace. That's a true statement, but it doesn't mean Archeopteryx isn't an ancestor to birds, its just not a direct ancestor. And we say its not necessarily a direct ancestor, because that's impossible to tell, but its definitely an evolutionary offshoot connected to the right time and place in the phylogenetic tree.
Tumach
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Ah, looks like Demona does have some support. I suppose it was inevitable given the setting. Brooklyn saddens me, though I do note that there does seem to be a decent amount of stress on his loyalty to Demona (surprise, surprise).
Yes. Unfortunately, that could mean any number of things, few of which qualify as good.
There seems to be something missing here. That said, I can't really say I'm surprised at David employing Dracon even if they killed or were responsible for the deaths of Goliath and Eliza. He really is very good at not taking things personally or seeking revenge. Not that I expect him to be remotely sorry if none of Dracon's people survive this.
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- Germany
Fixed it.
I am talking less about *David* taking it badly, but *Hudson*...I mean, wouldn´t like it at all if the guy I have to work with now did employ the guy had killed my clanmate.
Stuff like that causes unnecessary internal strife and Xanatos definitely knows or at least suspects Hudson of carrying a grudge against Dracon for what happened.
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- Following The Apocalypse
Huh. I was just assuming it was the huntsmclan. Do you think Xanatos is throwing Dracon and his men at Demona as a round about revenge scheme that just so happens to assist multiple other aspects of the plan?
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- Germany
Probaly so, yes...Getting rid of someone who killed someone you considered a great man and worthy opponent and using the killer as cannon fodder against someone who took your Nemesis dying as rallying call for her genocidal campaign is definitely something David would do - not outta revenge, but more to literally kill two birds with one stone.
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- the Netherworld Dood
Wait hold on here
Goliath died to DRACON??!?
what hell!? He took on and beat the archmage and kicked the shit out of the pack but he loses to MOOK MOBSTERS?
something is fishy as hell here. There's no way he'd go down so easily to some basic bitch mobsters.
either Demona is feeding him bullshit or she believes and someone else is feeding her the bullshit.
Goliath died to DRACON??!?
what hell!? He took on and beat the archmage and kicked the shit out of the pack but he loses to MOOK MOBSTERS?
something is fishy as hell here. There's no way he'd go down so easily to some basic bitch mobsters.
either Demona is feeding him bullshit or she believes and someone else is feeding her the bullshit.
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- Germany
Maybe it was a fight between Demona and Goliaths on Dracons turf and in the crossfire Goliath and Eliza died?
It doesn´t matter who actually got the kill here (Demona finishing off Goliath or Dracon getting a lucky shot in), what matters is that Demona got to pin the blame on Dracon to fuel her irrational misanthropy.
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- the Netherworld Dood
that would make more sense but... it just doesn't feel right with that. Her saying remotely positive about Elisa just strikes me as... Werid? important? Sure it was at the tail end of cursing her but she acknowledged her somewhat.
Demona is calling the shots in this army but I think she's being played as a sucker by someone else.
something else is going on in this city tonight and Demona and her Gargoyle army is just the distraction. Someone else caused Their Deaths and pinned it on Dracon, Someone is using her to soften up Xanatos.
Thailog springs to mind if anyone in Gargoyles could cause Goliath's death it would be him. And these Clone gargoyles tells us that he might actually be around.
that said I feel like we're missing a piece of this puzzle
Most likely point of divergence is the Brood-Dracon turf war from the episode Turf, with potential earlier divergences from the battle against Oberon.
Upside, it probably wasn't pie gun dude.
Stratagemini
Totally a Fire Ferret.
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- Central Park
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- He/Him/They/Them
And now I want Janna to recruit Brooklyn.
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- the Netherworld Dood
that seems likely .
If that is when it happens then reckoning didn't happen.
*Thailog suspicion intensifies*
if the Divergence happened at that time then everything after that got scrapped.
combine that with the fact that the cloning process has become streamlined...
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- Somewhere.
...It could be Artemis Fowl making a move. Or rather, having made a move.
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- the Netherworld Dood
Not a chance not Artemis's style and I'm fairly certain there's no bleed over before the divergence. Whatever happened was 100% gargoyles
Tumach
Majestic hat wearer
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Yeah, that's probably a good idea, just on general principles. Fortunately (for us), one place he isn't at least Xanay's equal as a schemer is keeping things impersonal, so as long as we don't manage to get on his personal grudge list (and I doubt this would manage that), he probably won't go gunning for us. I think.
Stratagemini
Totally a Fire Ferret.
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- Central Park
- Pronouns
- He/Him/They/Them
Why did you jinx us!?
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- Germany
...What if it´s *Bill/his cultists* who are stirring up trouble to weaken Mankind until Weirdmaggedon?
After all, Xanatos is the single-most smart and observant King in the public eye and has got to have at least some idea of what´s going on in Oregon (he pegged Toffee as a serious threat pretty fast, remember?)...meaning that if I were one of the higher-ups in the Bill cult, I´d see David as the most likely opponent to amass an actually working resistance and would try hammering his powerbase to keep him occupied until my "God" arrived to wipe everyone out.
Thailog is likely not behind this scheme.
He likes the world, in his own psycho way. It is, after all, where he keeps all his stuff.
Apocalypse plots are Demona's thing and she is clearly calling the shots here, so it seems possible that some variant of their really bad no good horrible break-up from The Reckoning happened. Particularly because Demona has a bunch of what seem to be Thailog clones and is using them for literal cannon fodder.
Tumach
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Hey, I did start the whole post out by agreeing that we should be keeping an eye out for him on general principle, so it's not like I'm completely discounting the threat here. I'm just saying that my assessment is that Thailog is unlikely to treat us as any more of a threat/opportunity than anyone else not from Gargoyles. That still leaves him as one of the more dangerous characters around who isn't an outright king. As far as we know, at least; I wouldn't put it past him to have his own shadow kingdom by now.
Oh, he's definitely not intending Demona to succeed. But it's well within his MO to aim Demona at Xanatos and take advantage of the fallout, whatever it is.
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- the Netherworld Dood
oh he's not in charge of her rather dumb " ram a clone gargoyle army face first into New York" plan. He's using her as cover and to weaken Xanatos.
because let's be real even if she had a million gargoyles her army would be destroyed come daylight.
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- the Netherworld Dood
whatever is happening now has its roots back in pure Gargoyle territory. This radically limits the pool of candidates.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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- She/Her
If that was true, Xanatos wouldn't be worried about her succeeding. Whatever she's sending her army after isn't going to be negated by the existence of the sun.