Yeah, there is bad history there.

She also more or less explicitly dislikes open fighting, as mentioned in her character sheet.

Martial: 17 (Kitsune can fight with her true form and bombs, but prefers not to.)

Now, Kitsune is somewhat fond of Janna and that may offset her dislike of fighting, but I am just about sure that it will not offset sending her to a hot zone in a place she knows to be the stomping grounds of somebody who apparently terrifies her.

Worst case scenario here is that she runs into Puck and Kitsune attacks him, ruining our relationship with Xanatos, while Kitsune suffers a major loyalty malus and simply decides to walk away. Considering the AU thing with Janna and the Toffee deal, I think that sending her in a collision course with Owen may mean simply losing Kitsune.

Less negative scenarios exist, but I don't see this leading anywhere but a major loyalty impact with Kitsune at the very least.

It strikes me as a very bad choice.
It's very unlikely that she will attack him unprovoked. She did not hate him, just was afraid of him. Since we are working on his side it should not be problem more than her general disdain for open fighting. Still she is useful for covering our activities with her illusions. World have enough revelations for now, no need to add existence of demons and witches to it. In the end it's no more problem than Lizzie diplomacy, or Hego trait.
 
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We also agreed to not break the masquerade, only for Xanay to pull this stunt. So while I'm inclined to agree about not wanting to do supervillainy, I do rather wish to express our irritation towards Xanatos. Preferably in the most petty, ridiculous, Doofenshmirtz way possible. Possibly using an inator.

He actualy didn´t break the Masquerade with his unveiling of the Gargoyles by explicitly describing them as purely biological beings in nature.

As this Crisis Interlude/Quest implies, he probably realized that Demonas attack on NYC was imminent (with him obviously too late to fully avert that disaster) and so in atypically-for-him case of frantic desperation he wanted to pre-emptively portray Gargoyles *as a whole* as not too bad a people and hopefully paint Demona and her cronies as violent extremists rather than the norm.

So no, I don´t consider his action as him going back on his lecture to us about secrecy

Well shit! You're right! New York is traditional for superheroism! It's Marvel Comics New York AND DC's Metropolis and Gotham AT THE SAME TIME!

Genius.

More specifically, in terms of atmosphere Metropolis is NYC by day, while Gotham is NYC by night...meaning that we are in Gotham-mode right now.

Yeah, there is bad history there.

She also more or less explicitly dislikes open fighting, as mentioned in her character sheet.

Martial: 17 (Kitsune can fight with her true form and bombs, but prefers not to.)

Now, Kitsune is somewhat fond of Janna and that may offset her dislike of fighting, but I am just about sure that it will not offset sending her to a hot zone in a place she knows to be the stomping grounds of somebody who apparently terrifies her.

Worst case scenario here is that she runs into Puck and Kitsune attacks him, ruining our relationship with Xanatos, while Kitsune suffers a major loyalty malus and simply decides to walk away. Considering the AU thing with Janna and the Toffee deal, I think that sending her in a collision course with Owen may mean simply losing Kitsune.

Less negative scenarios exist, but I don't see this leading anywhere but a major loyalty impact with Kitsune at the very least.

It strikes me as a very bad choice.
To be fair, this vote isn't "who do we send to the battle." It's, "who was retroactively already in New York at the time of the battle." The distinction there makes any fighting that coincidentally happens there defensive in nature, rather than Doof intentionally sending certain people to New York to fight.
I feel like you guys are making a bit too big a deal about Kitsune's reaction to Illusion-Puck. Yes, she was scared, but more in a "this person could kill me in a blink of the eye' sense rather than anything personal. And besides, the end result of that scene was her deciding "Screw running away, I'll hit you with everything I've got!"

The rewards listed for that interlude even directly point that out:



That experience made her braver, not more cowardly.

I believe that the path towards furthering her character development is putting her in more situations like that, where she genuinely has to buckle down and go Plus Ultra instead of just running away like she's always done. And the best way to do so is having her fight for something she cares about, which right now is Janna. So in the service of hopefully furthering her character development, I support her going on this trip.

Additionally, Puck!Janna *startled* Kitsune and sent her into "Territorial Defense Mode", while here the same won´t exactly apply.

And even then she now got friends/allies with her in the form of whomever else aside from Janna we retroactively sent on this DEI striketeam, meaning that she won´t have as much reason to feel cornered and outgunned.

On top of all this: NYC is a *big* city and seems to be under attack as a whole right now - meaning that as one of Davids heavy-hitters, Puck will probably be occupied with defending main XanatosCorp hildings like the HQ and wherever Little Alexander has maybe been tucked away securely by his Daddy.

Heck, the fact that Puck and Xanatos should recognize Janna from the auction means that they probably can guess her entourage to be DEI as well, which means that in their books our strike team should be seen as "vaguely allied with XanatosCorp until further notice" and any bad blood Kitsune might have with Puck (again, in my mind "he" simply startled her and sent her into defensive overdrive) could be de-escalated away with just osme easy-ish Diplo action.

So yeah, having sent Kitsune should be safe enough, I think.

EDIT:

Some (in my mind) fitting music for this Interlude/Quest/Crisis:

 
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[X] Tom
[X] Kitsune
[X] Lizzy
[X] Amur

I do not want to send Hego. One, he should still be recuperating from being drugged (and also Shego can't say we didn't use him). Two, his only contribution is a bit of Stewardship...and I think Learning has a higher priority in this case. Three, Glory Daze is going to be triggering constantly. Demona does not have time for monologuing fools.

I highly doubt Kitsune will get a loyalty malus just because she might run into Puck. Give her some credit. She likes Janna, and I think she's sensible enough to keep her cool in a crisis. Even if Puck decides to butt in. Which I think he might be busy elsewhere.
 
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[X] Tom
[X] Lizzy
[X] Hego

Not really the characters I'd want to use, but currently the best shot at keeping the very bad no good idea that is sending Kitsune out of the team.
 
[X] Tom
[X] Kitsune
[X] Lizzy

I'm not budging on Tom or Kitsune. They're both narratively relevant and they round out most of the stats. Lizzy I'm slightly less happy with but I can live with it.

Re: Hego. In any other circumstance I'd be fine with bringing him, but if there's any situation glory daze is going to proc, it's going to be the middle of a literal war zone, and I don't want to use this as a play test ground
[X] Tom
[X] Lizzy
[X] Hego

Not really the characters I'd want to use, but currently the best shot at keeping the very bad no good idea that is sending Kitsune out of the team.
Why? Kitsune is scared of Puck? We have confirmation from the end of her interlude that she is more willing to stick her neck out and she did that bu setting the wards on "him". I don't think that's going to be as much of a problem as you think it is.

Also, Puck is probably running around protecting Xanatos +Alexander. If we run into him, then either something terrible has happened or we had to run for the Xanatos group/area and there are most likely other things to be focusing on
 
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You guys realize the entire reason Hego sucks is because we never actually let him go out and do things? Him doing so bad in the wasteland is entirely our fault because we won't stop babying him and trying to let others shine instead. We need to actually let him do things or he will always suck.
Him doing so bad in the Wasteland started with him refusing to consider that he's anything other than the protagonist of a golden age superhero comic. Boldly confronting an evildoer rather than hiding, for example, and then scolding him for drug use. That's not because we've been coddling him, that's just who he is, and neither the narrative nor the people we've got in New York need someone nobody really knows getting the genre wrong that way. Janna's combat spells tend towards the absurdly lethal and Tom fights with literal hellfire, and neither of them deserve to have Hego moralizing at them about that, especially when they just found their friend and are busy fighting for their lives.
 
[X] Tom
[X] Kitsune
[X] Lizzy

Edit: I'm against sending Russ. We've gotta send him against the Blot next turn.
 
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To be fair, this vote isn't "who do we send to the battle." It's, "who was retroactively already in New York at the time of the battle." The distinction there makes any fighting that coincidentally happens there defensive in nature, rather than Doof intentionally sending certain people to New York to fight.

Okay, rather than intentionally sending her to New York to fight, it is intentionally sending her to New York and then intentionally sending her to fight. As far as I am concerned, I see the emphasis in that to be akin to splitting hairs.

I feel like you guys are making a bit too big a deal about Kitsune's reaction to Illusion-Puck. Yes, she was scared, but more in a "this person could kill me in a blink of the eye' sense rather than anything personal. And besides, the end result of that scene was her deciding "Screw running away, I'll hit you with everything I've got!"

This is Kitsune's reaction upon hearing that Janna has encountered Puck:

"...But the coolest part was when I got to incinerate the witches like, twelve times with Puck!"
Kitsune missed a step.
"What did you say?"
"You know Puck? Fairy? Shakespeare?"
Kitsune's tail began to fluff up. "Puck. The Hobgoblin."
"You know the guy? Didn't take you for a reader." Janna's fingers twitched, eyes locked on the twisting fluff.
"I know of him."
Janna started to open her mouth, but shut it again after a moment. "I'll leave you to it then."


She then has a PTSD level reaction, has a flashback involving dead and missing relatives and, in the face of the Puck illusion, she went into immediate murder mode, something that is explicitly against her usual preferences.

This is not the reaction of somebody who is somewhat wary of a powerful figure suddenly showing up. This is the reaction of somebody who seems to have unpleasant personal history with Puck, who is canonically one remarkably unpleasant customer if he happens to dislike you.

As some of you may remember, the moment Demona annoyed him he granted her a "boon" in the form of daily transformations into the things she most hates, with a side dish of torturous pain with every sunset and sunrise.

As for her decision not to vanish in the shadows, that was the result of a critical and her willingness to be brave amounted to staying in Doofania. Walking into Pucks's territory is a whole different zip code.

It's very unlikely that she will attack him unprovoked. She did not hate him, just was afraid of him. Since we are working on his side it should not be problem more than her general disdain for open fighting. Still she is useful for covering our activities with her illusions. World have enough revelations for now, no need to add existence of demons and witches to it. In the end it's no more problem than Lizzie diplomacy, or Hego trait.
Additionally, Puck!Janna *startled* Kitsune and sent her into "Territorial Defense Mode", while here the same won´t exactly apply.
And even then she now got friends/allies with her in the form of whomever else aside from Janna we retroactively sent on this DEI striketeam, meaning that she won´t have as much reason to feel cornered and outgunned.

See above for my reply.

I think that you are gravely misjudging Kitsune's known level of hostility towards Puck and drastically overestimating her attachment to Team Doof.

Aside from that...

On top of all this: NYC is a *big* city and seems to be under attack as a whole right now - meaning that as one of Davids heavy-hitters, Puck will probably be occupied with defending main XanatosCorp hildings like the HQ and wherever Little Alexander has maybe been tucked away securely by his Daddy.

The notion that assigning Kitsune to New York will not result in an encounter with Puck strikes me as outright wishful thinking. It makes no narrative sense and even the proposed reasoning strikes me as extremely shaky.

But that's probably enough about Kitsune and Puck. I don't think that continued discussion over the issue will be productive. Changing somebody's opinion after they have made up their mind is notoriously hard, after all.

I've said my piece, anyone who disagrees with my take can make their own reply and then we can leave the matter to the rest of the thread.

After all, this is only a game.
 
You guys realize the entire reason Hego sucks is because we never actually let him go out and do things? Him doing so bad in the wasteland is entirely our fault because we won't stop babying him and trying to let others shine instead. We need to actually let him do things or he will always suck.
See, you can say that, but he was "going out and doing thing" in the past and it didn't knock the stupid out of him. So it's kind of... iffy, and he's a high-value individual where we worry what happens if he gets in over his head and dies.

It's a nasty bind to be in, especially with the QMs kind of mocking you for taking the safe option while stacking the deck so that the risky option looks intimidating.

Shego told us to actually use him. Not an excuse.
That was a VERY recent development, dude. Like, literally last turn- and last turn we SENT him on a quest and nothing happened!

I'm not budging on Tom or Kitsune. They're both narratively relevant and they round out most of the stats. Lizzy I'm slightly less happy with but I can live with it.

Re: Hego. In any other circumstance I'd be fine with bringing him, but if there's any situation glory daze is going to proc, it's going to be the middle of a literal war zone, and I don't want to use this as a play test ground
I mean.

The opposing force seems to consist mainly of gargoyles. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression is that gargoyles fight "monster-style." That is, they rely on superhuman physical abilities to compensate for things like "the other side is using weaponry better than ours." Which means that from Hego's point of view this is about as close to a straight fight on his own terms as he's going to get. The problem Hego has is with enemies who are ruthlessly pragmatic and (for instance) pull an Indy and just shoot the posturing guy dead. Against fierce 'beastly' opponents that tend to fight in straight-up combat with muscles and claws and whatnot, I think he'll actually do relatively well. This is a much better match for him than a bunch of drug dealers, for instance.

The drug dealers challenge his cunning, which is his weakness, rather than his strength, which is, uh... strength.
 
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