Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

Also, even as a joke, would it be ironic if Piggot herself triggers from the stress of the meltdown?
Piggot can't trigger; she and Calvert were both scanned after Ellisburg, but neither had a Corona Pollentia. Piggot was relieved that she was unable to trigger with powers, but Calvert got covetous and decided to find another way, leading him to Cauldron and their vials. It's one of the reasons she doesn't assume him to be a supervillain — but, then again, Coil never actually overtly demonstrates any powers, most of his public moves can just be attributed to luck and good intel.

Since Personal Reality now in the game and Joe can possibly roll Portal (300 cp I think?) phrase to activate it ABSOLUTELY MUST BE EITHER "Door to Workshop" or, better, "Path to Workshop". Solely to fuck with Cauldron
Nah… "Computer, Arch" 🖖

Hemorrhagia: *looks at cuddle mink* W-what the hell are you!?

What Hemorrhagia thinks Tetra is saying: YoUR WoRSe niGhTMare. *SKRWEEEEEEEEEEEEE*

What Tetra is actually saying: Hello there new best buddy!
Are you sure Tetra isn't saying "Ooh, lunch!"? :lol:
 
Piggot can't trigger; she and Calvert were both scanned after Ellisburg, but neither had a Corona Pollentia. Piggot was relieved that she was unable to trigger with powers, but Calvert got covetous and decided to find another way, leading him to Cauldron and their vials. It's one of the reasons she doesn't assume him to be a supervillain — but, then again, Coil never actually overtly demonstrates any powers, most of his public moves can just be attributed to luck and good intel.
Coronas can suddenly appear later in life.

Like when QA wandered from Danny to Taylor.
 
What would March gain from a Butcher-Apeiron ?
I suspect that Butcher was a part of a plan for March to gain her 'immortality'. March sent a drawing of 'shardspace' made by Uber to somewhere. While the drawing could have been done for Cauldron, it might have been something to convince Butcher.
No idea what the plan was exactly (may be it was to become Butcher, may be it was to force Fletchete kill Butcher), but Butcher's power is a lot like what March wants and also a way to get some other powers, like teleportation, which might have been a necessary step to get trough a 'tear' in reality or something like that or just a way to get uploaded into own shard.

The fact that Tetra communicating via an infrared signal that causes her to light up when in use
Infrared is invisible to a nacked eye, TVs' remote controls use infrared.
 
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I suspect that Butcher was a part of a plan for March to gain her 'immortality'. March sent a drawing of 'shardspace' made by Uber to somewhere. While the drawing could have been done for Cauldron, it might have been something to convince Butcher.
No idea what the plan was exactly (may be it was to become Butcher, may be it was to force Fletchete kill Butcher), but Butcher's power is a lot like what March wants and also a way to get some other powers, like teleportation, which might have been a necessary step to get trough a 'tear' in reality or something like that or just a way to get uploaded into own shard.
Thinking about it, scamming Butcher into a position, tricking Flechette into killing her, then killing flechete with a Sting explosion, thus living together forever is a very March thing to do.
Infrared is invisible to a nacked eye, TVs' remote controls use infrared.
The infared transmissions themselves are not visible, but her body does light up red during such actions:
"Do you think she used her own blood for that?" She called out in her silent voice, appearing to flash a mouth full of molten fangs at the increasingly disturbed woman.
 
One issue I see with this is that, at this point, Piggot, doesn't really want an agreement with Joe. Sure, he might inform them of the Teeth's new arrival in BB, he probably will, truth be told, if only so the PRT/Protectorate doesn't look any more incompetent. As for coming to an agreement with the PRT, that could be a bit more difficult. Especially now, with Joe's Revival Perk, meaning he will no longer act as a Doormat, I don't see him making an agreement with the PRT ENE unless the agreement is on his terms. And I don't really see the PRT agreeing to something that is set on his terms if only to maintain an air of strength.

Joe does want to help, so I can see him conceding something if only so he can get to work with helping, but I don't see him taking any bone the PRT throws him just to start repairing the city.
The whole point is that he has to start talking to them first. Otherwise, he's not really going to be able to do any of his long term plans without people constantly trying to fight him. As for coming to an agreement with the PRT, I think you're underestimating how much they would want a powerhouse like him on their side. In the first Weld interlude alone, there's a conversation between him and Flechette about how badly the New York team wants that healing power, specifically because of Butcher. The PRT is also aware he's capable of creating non-tinkertech fusion power. Not to mention god knows what else. Hell, Glenn Chambers probably wants to hire him for costume design or acting lessons for the heroes/wards.

If he says he wants to set up a meeting to talk, there's a good damn chance that Legend himself will join the meeting. NY isn't that far from Brockton, and even without Doormaker, he can fly there fast enough to probably be there in less than an hour or so. As for Piggot doesn't want an agreement with Joe... I highly doubt that. If anything, she needs that. The reason why she might be reluctant is because almost every time Apeiron shows himself publicly, things start exploding, and not metaphorically. Yes, part of that is due to Bakuda, but when the cape shows up in the open 3 times, and all 3 times involve massive collateral damage, I think she has the right to be a little skeptical.

Edit: To add to this, I doubt the PRT would even be that concerned if he wanted to stay Independent, so long as he was actively working alongside the Protectorate. They're not going to try and 'force him into the Protectorate' - such an attempt would be a disaster and everyone knows it at this point. But just getting an agreement to work alongside the Protectorate, or as a Protectorate affiliate? That's gold right there, as far as Legend/Costa-Brown/Cauldron would be concerned.
 
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I'm pretty sure that was her talking to Joe via their soul connection, not with infrared. After all, she doesn't need to open her mouth to emit infrared beams.
...They don't have a soul connection? He can hear her due to his body interpreting the IR thanks to him being a Life Fiber hybrid. In fact:
"Do you think she used her own blood for that?" She called out in her silent voice, appearing to flash a mouth full of molten fangs at the increasingly disturbed woman. "Does she have blood power? I mean, can she make more, or just use what she has? She fights with blood, right? Will we get a chance to fight her? After the summit, I mean."

'Tetra.' I replied through the infrared link as the Time constellation missed a connection. 'Try to take it down a notch.'
 
The fact that Piggot miscalculated so badly and turned a Triumvirate level cape into someone who distrusts the PRT is a cathartic piece of schadenfreude.
Forget alienating a Triumvirate level cape; when the news from Somer's Rock breaks and people learn about Celestial Forge, it's gonna look like the local PRT alienated the next Hero... and the next Dauntless, Chevalier, Myrddin, Dragon, and Exalt.

Though, like others have said, I don't think it's all Piggot's fault on this one. A lot of culpability goes to early Joe's trauma ("ghosting people who make me uncomfortable is the only coping strategy I can sustain"), and to the skewed perspective of Joe's passenger, for exacerbating the situation ("the local PRT sucks and you should help the Undersiders instead of just hitting up Boston lol").

(The final nail in the coffin is just that Earth Bet is a crapsack and the PRT literally can't afford to write their policy with the expectation of friendly Black Swan Events. The last several hundred times some unverified Tinker or Thinker has come flying out of the woodwork acting like they were special, they turned out to be nothing special, and deferring to them would have been useless if not actively harmful.)
 
...They don't have a soul connection? He can hear her due to his body interpreting the IR thanks to him being a Life Fiber hybrid. In fact:
I'm pretty sure that Joe can just hear Tetra because he's a life fiber hybrid. Like Ryuko can hear Senketsu in Kill la Kill. For him to reply to her silently he needs to use IR, Tetra can just yell since Joe is the only one who can hear her.
 
Edit: To add to this, I doubt the PRT would even be that concerned if he wanted to stay Independent, so long as he was actively working alongside the Protectorate. They're not going to try and 'force him into the Protectorate' - such an attempt would be a disaster and everyone knows it at this point. But just getting an agreement to work alongside the Protectorate, or as a Protectorate affiliate? That's gold right there, as far as Legend/Costa-Brown/Cauldron would be concerned.
Just being able to directly talk to Apeiron would be a massive relaxer for the situation. You'd just need Ape to give the PRT a QEC-phone and command Dragon to try not to scan it or anything. Much less stressful than Weld having to get shipped around for every call.

Also maybe after Piggot has had a nap and a snack :p
Forget alienating a Triumvirate level cape; when the news from Somer's Rock breaks and people learn about Celestial Forge, it's gonna look like the local PRT alienated the next Hero... and the next Dauntless, Chevalier, Myrddin, Dragon, and Exalt.
I think the big takeaway, at first at least, is that what has been attributed to Apeiron is actually a public image created by Celestial Forge as a team, which while reassuring is also worrying since it makes them a massive powerblock in the city, and not a single threat that can just be taken down or birdcaged.
I'm pretty sure that Joe can just hear Tetra because he's a life fiber hybrid. Like Ryuko can hear Senketsu in Kill la Kill. For him to reply to her silently he needs to use IR, Tetra can just yell since Joe is the only one who can hear her.
That's what I said. I don't think he can speak in IR, he probably just used his watch or something to transmit it to her. Also Survey also has an eye on the IR and is translating it for the whole network IIRC.
 
Attempting to force compliance would imply that she has tried to find and speak with him, which she has not.
Quote: "Piggot? She's blacklisted you. Even beyond suspicion over your healing. No support, resources, or collaboration from the local Protectorate. She ordered limited contact and priority dispatch response for any appearances. Officially you're wanted for questioning, which is as much as they can do now, especially with the scrutiny she's under."

From Piggot this is exactly "Find him, I want to talk with him, while he is in chains". Even if slightly colored and aspected by Tattletale.

The whole point is that he has to start talking to them first.
1. PRT itself is corrupt and problematic. Informing PRT is likely to just lock it up in internal discussions for couple hours, hours that could have been spent preparing and informing other departments. The smart thing is to inform various services directly.

2. PRT is more likely to focus on maintaining status quo between Apeiron and Teeth (We are trying to prevent him from launching more Nukes) than to actually do something...

3. Piggot is temporary by this point, she is done for and whatever agreement she makes with Joe will likely become invalid soon, yet it will color any further deals and can be used by other direcctors (New Director: Agreement? You had no legal right to heal those people without prior testing and permission Piggot issued you was invalid, she overstepped her authority). There are ways Piggot can be 'ressurected', but currently she is dead politically and people will want her gone.

4. Joe is a 'nuclear' power. If PRT was open for a discussion, it would have been clear, PRT would have found a way to lift the 'limited contact' asap and other things, Joe would have had not so metaphorical diplomats at his metaphorical doorsteps.

The situation in the city is unstable enough as it is, and Joe's rapidly reaching the point that he's going to need to come to some sort of understanding/agreement with the local branch if he's actually going to do some of the things he wants to do (clean up the dark zone, finishing removing all the bombs from the ABB-conscripts
I seriously doubt Piggot will agree to that. If she agrees, she has to remove some of the policies and has to essentially 'clear' a nuclear mad scientist with a global master tech. Apeiron is Scary and Uncontrolable, from PRT's point of view he might as well be a nuke on a timer that they need to deal with. Having a team changes the narrative, but that will take time to process
From my point of view the right way is to bypass PRT in some way (and Joe has options, both legal and discrete ones).

It's his refusal to do so, solely on a Thinker power he himself has noted is not fully reliable, that makes things so difficult.
If Joe went to PRT, it might have went smooth early on (unlikely, not with his claims about Backuda, power testing and not with his passenger's potential reaction to Costa Brown), but he would have ended in birdcage by day six or with a round hole in his head (likely not from Victor) even Simurgh might have paid an early visit because of all the waves. Tetra was fourth after all, and Joe was only getting scarier from there.

To add to this, I doubt the PRT would even be that concerned if he wanted to stay Independent, so long as he was actively working alongside the Protectorate. They're not going to try and 'force him into the Protectorate'
Joe is a walking birdcage sentence... Celestial Forge doesn't care about laws, PRT would have been forced to ask questions and then arrest Joe on the spot. Some of available blueprints (memory manipulation) alone are enough to lock Joe up and throw away the key, that knowledge just shouldn't be, and that's before you remember grey goo, life fibers, planet cracking weapons and artificial intelligence.

The infared transmissions themselves are not visible, but her body does light up red during such actions:
To me it sounded like Tetra just 'grinning full 32' in excitement, 'flash' likely meant opening her mouth, not lighting it up, with Tetra's normal light always there, enchanting the effect.
 
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Joe is pretty much at the point where legality is less relevant. He's got demonstratable strategic capability as far back as the Storage Yard fight. The PRT analysts can only estimate observable effects. It's up to policy makers to decide what an enemy's capabilities are likely to be and how to interact with them going forward, hence a likely assumption that Apeiron pulled the Final Slash out of his ass and used up 'precious resources' doing it. Because most capes without organizational frameworks pulling off a similar display would have had to sink everything into it to pull off similar results. They only know what they've always known, essentially.

But directly after that, when Joe was flying around in power armor that not even a government backed Tinker like Armsmaster has, their only point of comparison is Hero, who full stop was compared in strength of technology with three others all of whom could redraw entire maps by changing local geographic features.

At that point, Joe's basically a belligerent if not hostile nation with nuclear capability. And the only reason America hasn't deployed military assets to the state yet comes down to Cauldron interference because... I guarantee you Tagg in the PRT, and U.S military leaders HAVE been asking to do so. It helps that Contessa can just go "situation is stable, we'll wait" after March's plot device field went down. So Becky just says " Watchdog is gathering information, but so far they say he won't start dumping ordinance across the Eastern Seaboard, so we can take a lighter hand until we know more", which is also still a legitimate concern because while Contessa could Path Joe until recently, the Path was changing. Which might be modeled onto future Paths via "make allowance for variables and keep plans more general and broad".
 
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Sorry to burst your and probably a few other people's bubbles but I'm not LordR. The personal reality clustering in the sheet is a guess. I expect it has some similarity but a lot of differences. I've held off on asking Lord to clarify until it's actually added. So my latest comment on Ao3 asks for that clarity.
I expect Lord will require too level perks be obtained first. I also expect 50 cp perks will be grouped somehow.

Everything I've written up is subject to change based on Lord's answers.

Thanks for the heads up! Had two different links and was unsure which one was correct. I'll be sure to update the original comment, though watch that one be incorrect as well 😅
 
The whole point is that he has to start talking to them first. Otherwise, he's not really going to be able to do any of his long term plans without people constantly trying to fight him. As for coming to an agreement with the PRT, I think you're underestimating how much they would want a powerhouse like him on their side. In the first Weld interlude alone, there's a conversation between him and Flechette about how badly the New York team wants that healing power, specifically because of Butcher. The PRT is also aware he's capable of creating non-tinkertech fusion power. Not to mention god knows what else. Hell, Glenn Chambers probably wants to hire him for costume design or acting lessons for the heroes/wards.

If he says he wants to set up a meeting to talk, there's a good damn chance that Legend himself will join the meeting. NY isn't that far from Brockton, and even without Doormaker, he can fly there fast enough to probably be there in less than an hour or so. As for Piggot doesn't want an agreement with Joe... I highly doubt that. If anything, she needs that. The reason why she might be reluctant is because almost every time Apeiron shows himself publicly, things start exploding, and not metaphorically. Yes, part of that is due to Bakuda, but when the cape shows up in the open 3 times, and all 3 times involve massive collateral damage, I think she has the right to be a little skeptical.

Edit: To add to this, I doubt the PRT would even be that concerned if he wanted to stay Independent, so long as he was actively working alongside the Protectorate. They're not going to try and 'force him into the Protectorate' - such an attempt would be a disaster and everyone knows it at this point. But just getting an agreement to work alongside the Protectorate, or as a Protectorate affiliate? That's gold right there, as far as Legend/Costa-Brown/Cauldron would be concerned.

*Ahem.*

Let's check the timeline shall we?
Joe becomes a cape. At the beginning he is using his Thinker(Passenger) Power for broad information gathering and threat assessment. Its here that he starts to take measure of where he should go and work with. His power warns him against Armsmaster and Pigot, for different reasons, but tells him that New Wave and The Guild are suitable compatriots. He goes out, meets the Undersides, has his Taylor-is-Parahuman-Jesus moment and makes them equipment as a result. Which he comes to regret after witnessing the Aegislash.

He then tries to make it right by going to Amy to heal her and explain what happened by using her as a pipeline to the PRT as despite the obvious unreliableness when it comes to character judgement his Thinker power has never been wrong about threat assessment. Other words, never been wrong about what might put him in serious jeopardy. Hence he will be cautious of the PRT still, hence Amy as a buffer. What does the PRT do? And by PRT I mean Pigot. Throws Amy in a tank and accuses Joe of being a Master.

First event of Joe trying to establish ties with and make amends to the PRT. Pigots Response: Master Accusation. Arrest and detain.

They also ignore his warnings about Bacula, and things go south quick. Joe interferes multiple times, saving many folks in the process. He leaves a public statement on PHO stating that he is willing to sit down and talk with the PRT but if and only if they clear up and rescind the Master Accusation and agree that certain topics are off limits.

Pigots Response: well, he may not be a master, but he is quite possibly a timing thinker trying to sow chaos and discord and bring down the PRT.

Joe rescues Weld and stops Bakuda from nuking a public square. Through Weld and to the Boston Director of the PRT he gives the same message. Not a Master, clear that up, certain topics are off limits, and I will be willing to sit and talk.

Pigots Response: Blacklists Joe and orders any form of contact to be report and arrest.

The Ungodly Hour happens.

Pigots Response: Schemes to get a pre-signed kill order in order to threaten in an attempt to strong arm Joe to the table, but is stopped by Uppercrust vowing to bring the wrath of God on her head if she dares.

So where exactly is the part where Joe refuses to try to communicate with the PRT? He has tried 3 times and each time his warnings, which come true by the way, are ignored and Pigot doubles down on trying to bring him in cuffs. Not reaching an agreement, not trying to peacefully discourse and clear up understandings. But to bring Joe under heel. It is WHY she is in a lot of the hot water she is in with the other PRT branches for her complete bungling of the Apeiron case. (And the Herbert case, and the Victoria case ect ect.)

Which is also why Weld and Fletcher were sent in the first place. To circumvent Pigot and give Joe a line of communication to a REASONABLE director.

EDIT: Oh, and in addition, to the topic of why Vista is hating on Apeiron, a not-insignificant part of it is that she believes he equipped the Undersiders due to either tapping, or tying to tap, dat ass of Lady Para-Jesus aka Khepri.
 
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So where exactly is the part where Joe refuses to try to communicate with the PRT? He has tried 3 times and each time his warnings, which come true by the way, are ignored and Pigot doubles down on trying to bring him in cuffs. Not reaching an agreement, not trying to peacefully discourse and clear up understandings. But to bring Joe under heel. It is WHY she is in a lot of the hot water she is in with the other PRT branches for her complete bungling of the Apeiron case. (And the Herbert case, and the Victoria case ect ect.)
While the PRT may be willing to take affiliates, Piggot is very forceful and sees things in a very binary manner; under her control a possible threat, free from her influence and a threat waiting for it's moment.
I ought to say the Master accusations weren't entirely her fault though;
Chapter 12 Conference said:
"That 'debrief' you mentioned? It took place under Armsmaster's new lie detector. Apparently she had an adverse reaction to some of the questions. 'Emotional Instability'. It was enough for them to order a Voight-Kampff assessment and a period of isolation."

...

"Amy's in love with her sister."

I stared at her. "Glory Girl? Seriously?"

She nodded. "Probably tried to keep from admitting it and got flagged as an outside influence. There was wonky stuff around it on the tests, so it came across as unnatural."

...

"Plus, even if you get cleared for Panacea, there's still that thing with Persephone's Rainbow."

...

"Apparently..." She drew out the word. "Some technician spent fifteen minutes staring at the thing while 'fascinated by the iridescence of the petals'. It was enough to raise warnings of a possible memetic object and triggered containment protocols with staged and controlled assessments."

I stared at her blankly. "They think I can tie mind control effects to objects?"

"Yes, that is the theory they're working with."

The weight of the situation was bearing down on me. "I have to deal with a master rating because one girl didn't want to admit a crush and somebody else stared too long at a piece of jewelry?"
Next up Coil tells us a bit about our technician friend:
12.1 Interlude Thomas said:
Once one accusation of master effects had been leveled it opened the door for less well founded allegations. That brought things to Sebastian Slight, a notoriously unprofessional PRT lab technician who decided to cover for the fact that he was wasting time staring at a trinket by claiming to be fascinated. At least half the fault was on the lab manager who instead of reprimanding the tech decided to file an official report. With the recent charges and the rumors already flying suddenly a hairpin was being treated as a memetic object.

Piggot shares blame for letting that all go through, but it wasn't just her hostility.
 
When you get shut down at every opportunity, when any independent action is punished or mocked or held against you, then it's easy to shut down. To turn off and stop trying. When there's no hope for things to get better it's easy to take the path of least resistance and hope you can at least make them less bad.
Facts i feel like this everyday and as i grow older and learn more about both myself and the world its getting easy to deal with. LOVE the story and i hope i am able to reach the end of this wonderful journey with you all
 
You know, I wonder why people haven't realized- The Butcher is fucked if they go against Ape-Iron. See, he doesn't need to kill the Butcher, instead, he just needs to make a sporific to knock them out. Then, he uses his healing prowess to ensure that the Butcher is in a medical coma and never wakes up. Problem solved.

This unfortunately doesn't work, per Word of Wildbow.

The last I'd heard about it, any permanent nonlethal solution to the Butcher gets treated as if the Butcher was killed, and the parasite jumps to either a new host or the one who locked them down.

We can extrapolate that unless the Shard itself is destroyed or locked down, any method of Butcher removal will lead to a new host being selected.

Based on the stated purpose of the Butcher Shard, recollection of deployed Shards, this isn't actually a particularly absurd position for Wildbow to take.

The Butcher Shard isn't supposed to be deployed so early into the Cycle, and its objective isn't to generate new data but to collect the data already generated, so it's basically supposed to be unstoppable.

I'm really interested in seeing how Joe's Curse Breaking abilities interact with the Infection, and if we're going to see Shard Knight Fleet butcher the Butcher.
 
This unfortunately doesn't work, per Word of Wildbow.

The last I'd heard about it, any permanent nonlethal solution to the Butcher gets treated as if the Butcher was killed, and the parasite jumps to either a new host or the one who locked them down.
So what the Slaughterhouse 9 did to Cherish amounted to nothing then?

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Got my timeline mixed, the plan to use the imprisoned Cherish to contain Butcher amounted to nothing then?
 
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So what the Slaughterhouse 9 did to Cherish amounted to nothing then?

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Got my timeline mixed, the plan to use the imprisoned Cherish to contain Butcher amounted to nothing then?

I have zero idea of what you're talking about, but if it's Post Network Collapse then all I have for you is a big fat shrug.

If it's Pre Wards then, if I'm remembering correctly, basically yes. I'd need to hear more details, but if Cherish permanently locked down the Butcher then I think the Butcher would- basically no clip out of bounds (or just die) and then the Shard would infest a new Host. If it's technically temporary, then it might last long enough for the Butcher to die of old age/nutritional deficiencies, at which point I believe the Shard would rehost and continue on its merry way?

I recommend looking up Wildbow WoG on the Butcher yourself, because that's about the best I've got from my memories.
 
I have zero idea of what you're talking about, but if it's Post Network Collapse then all I have for you is a big fat shrug.

If it's Pre Wards then, if I'm remembering correctly, basically yes. I'd need to hear more details, but if Cherish permanently locked down the Butcher then I think the Butcher would- basically no clip out of bounds (or just die) and then the Shard would infest a new Host. If it's technically temporary, then it might last long enough for the Butcher to die of old age/nutritional deficiencies, at which point I believe the Shard would rehost and continue on its merry way?

I recommend looking up Wildbow WoG on the Butcher yourself, because that's about the best I've got from my memories.
Yeah, sorry my wording was terrible. Jack and co put Cherish's brain into a jar that would last a few thousand years as punishment for her attemoted betrayal. Butcher was lured into the range of her power so that Butcher would commit suicide and Cherish would become the new butcher, all nice and contained for the foreseeable future.

But with that word of Wildbow, it completely makes that plan irrelevant if the Shard would just jump to a new Host, and makes the lack of Butcher in the latter part of Worm a complete failure on Wildbows part.
 
Yeah, sorry my wording was terrible. Jack and co put Cherish's brain into a jar that would last a few thousand years as punishment for her attempted betrayal. Butcher was lured into the range of her power so that Butcher would commit suicide and Cherish would become the new butcher, all nice and contained for the foreseeable future.

But with that word of Wildbow, it completely makes that plan irrelevant if the Shard would just jump to a new Host, and makes the lack of Butcher in the latter part of Worm a complete failure on Wildbows part.

Huh.

You know, that might actually work?

If the killer is already in a position where they can't do anything, but they've already demonstrated their ability to be a hazard to Hosts by killing the Butcher...

It'll depend on the Butcher Shard's programming, but the checks it runs might actually be bypassed by the real data it received.

Add in the fact that the brain should eventually die to some sort of organ failure, I think this might actually work?

Like, it obviously did work to some degree, because Wildbow said it did through the story or at least heavily implied such, but I can follow the logic chain for how it should work.

And if the Butcher Shard programming can be subverted like that, and Joe's Passanger can pass along this sort of information, Joe might actually be able to slap some Magic Item onto the current Butcher that'll convince the Shard that everything is fine and it doesn't need to jump ship. At that point all you need to do is decide whether you're going to stasis the Butcher or do the delicate dance needed to leave the Shard with a Bag of Sand instead of a Gold Statue.

Thanks for informing me about canon, the implications of this are really interesting!
 
Forget alienating a Triumvirate level cape; when the news from Somer's Rock breaks and people learn about Celestial Forge, it's gonna look like the local PRT alienated the next Hero... and the next Dauntless, Chevalier, Myrddin, Dragon, and Exalt.
And some random stranger I guess. I dunno. If she was important we would have remembered her ... right?

:p
 
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