Jordisk
<Unverified N00B>
- Location
- Blind Eternities
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- He/Him/His
Nor is Cherish, since she has basically Heartbreaker's power as a Shaker/Thinker instead of a Striker.
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
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darkgamer
Princess Glutei a Forma di Cuore
- Location
- England
Nice strawman, did I say emotion powers can't be master powers? No, I didn't.
Cherish and heartbreaker can make minions at the direct use of their power, that's what makes them masters unlike Vicky.
Travisplo
The Necromonsieur
Cherish isn't using a direct expression of her power to 'make minions' though.
- Location
- Behind you
At the end of the day power classifications are just a rough guideline to know what kind of parahuman is being confronted/working with, and many classifications tend to blurry between them, even more so Striker and Shaker that are more about the method of application than what a power does.
- Location
- Philippines
Or instead of quibbling over technicalities, let's all just look over again the scene that brought about this mess in the first place.
Joe is pretty clear on his stance, and so is the fic. The classification system is not how powers work - it's just how threats are categorized in-universe to be tackled later on. The mental effects and consequences remain very real regardless.
- Location
- Right Where I Am
Given that water, salt water especially, is the ideal tool for washing it away, I'm picturing something like Super Mario Sunshine. Divine Fludd.
I tend to see people hate her more.
He hasn't even come to the conclusion that shards are individual parts of a greater organism yet.
So, how are you defining "minion"? Because, Glory Girl blasting her aura at full strength and issuing orders is basically an AoE Imperius Curse. And that's absolutely Master territory.
Heartbreaker's ability persists longer (though it demonstrably isn't permanent, since both Cherish and Jean-Paul were able to shake it off and escape), but he's limited to only 1 emotion. Glory Girl starts of with 2 emotions (love/fear), but eventually unlocks the ability to broadcast any emotion. At which point, the only difference between Vicky's aura and Cherish's power is that Cherish targets a single specific individual, while Glory Girl hits everyone in her sphere of influence at once. If Cherish is a master, then so too is Vicky.
While Wildbow later tried to make claims that GG's aura doesn't cause any long-term shifts in thinking in the way that Cherish's power does, that goes against basic psychology, such as Pavlovian conditioning. As such, the only way for her aura to not have that result would be for it to modify people's minds and reset their opinions to what they were before the aura affected them. In other words, using a Master effect to hide that the people were Mastered!
Ironically, this all comes about because Wildbow wanted to clarify that Vicky's aura was a Shaker ability that forced people to experience an emotion, rather that a Stranger ability that simply altered their perception of her — Wildbow was so concerned that people might think she was Nice Guy-lite, that he turned her into Heartbreaker-lite.
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Cleaning up spills is a household problem. Therefore, Simple Scientific Solution should be able to provide a black-box solution for at least the portion of the field that overlaps residences.
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- Behind you
BZZZZ, HB's power isn't limited to only one emotion, it's emotion manipulation not making people love him, and it's not that Alex and Cheri could 'shake it off', they just got blasted so much with itfrom such a young age that they could ignore it for the most past unless HB directly blasted them with a strong emotion (usually fear), something Alex commented on when he reunited with Cheri. And as far as we know his power is borderline mind control since he could just Charm someone and leave them alone for while they worked in his benefit.
EDIT: Just realized that i red the comment wrong, nevermind me
Though I don't think it was ever mentioned that hB could only make you feel one emotion at a time.
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- Hello
Wow. Thanks for the image. Now I imagine Matrix in Gundam form Powerwashing the field off the area. And given Apeiron's skillset, he can certainly make a Masterwork [Insert All Adjectives Here] Power Washer.
Gumiho
Reach heaven through violence!
Renember though, Piggot no longer sets the PRT and Protectorates policy for the Celestial Forge, L̶e̶x̶i̶ Becky does.
- Location
- The Temple of the Winds
Yes, and Joe refuses to be a Himbo for Vicky
I absolutely second this.
I was genuinely (slightly) awed by that segment.
Beautiful ^^
Preface: Unless that's a statement of his feeling about it:
Genuinely, why not? And/or, why would he think not?
Psychology, Sociology, etc. are certainly... fuzzier than, say, Mechanical Engineering, but they're not fundamentally different - i.e. they're all 'science's, not 'art's. And with Joe's knowledge base, that should be clear to him along many axies.
Typos,etc.:
Boom -> Broom
Should be Survey's analysis?
Officially, it's Sarah.
you don't take risks?
Martian_Tech's PHO interludes:
Might want to correct that
(Also, very nice PHO interludes.)
Officially, it's the 'Baumann Parahuman Containment Center"
Gema -> Gemma
Ultras -> Ultra
ruble -> rubble
Utras -> Ultras
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Part of the problem is that the classification plays fast and loose over whether "master" is a tactical description that responding teams can expect to encounter minions [of any kind], or whether it describes any power that violates people's autonomy [and, from a tactical point of view, whether responding teams can expect their own judgements to be compromised]. The entire concept of master/stranger screening is a use of it to refer to the latter, so it's definitely not purely fanon. It's just that the existence of semi-contradicting and overlapping definitions is an in-universe fact.
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Jordisk
<Unverified N00B>
- Location
- Blind Eternities
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
I can't remember its name, but the unpowered Taylor in the PRT and somehow the Wards fic had the PRT teams internally split it between Master and Controller. A guy that could make invisible projections (later named "Stagehand") was causing trouble, and Taylor told the PRT team that he was a master. Que foam sprays pointed at her; "not that kind of master".
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- Dude, bro, etc...
Speaking of Hunter x Hunter, I wonder how Joe would do... the Dark Continent would certainly be an interesting trip for Joe and the crew. Just for the fun of I'd like to imagine Joe taking place in the latest arc.
- Location
- Philippines
Ah, the Internship-verse. It's kind of amazing, how much came out of "non-Parahuman Taylor becomes a PRT intern".
Worth mentioning as a general thing the prt ratings aren't just arbitrarily there it is a system given history as such it was developed and altered over time as more was learned and the categories became better understood and also streamlined so field agents could actually remember them all. For example it was mentioned before it was settled on changer and breaker shifter was a rating and some of these may come out for capes that apply to them and some branches may use some over the standard ones.
- Location
- Behind you
While we are at it, it's not an universal classification either, other countries and organizations use different classifications.
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- Male
Do you happen to have a link to it?
- Location
- Deep inside the sand
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
People have mentioned wanting to invite Apeiron so have New Wave talk out. However they might have forgotten that the team members of New Wave doesn't have splendid relationship with him. Here is all of New Wave's feelings on him.
Carol has only negative feelings. Is also probably angry towards him. Is probably also afraid of Apeiron as he checks many boxes for her trauma. Just to name a few his particularly the lack of territory, independent nature, high power, and particular code, or at least commitment to contracts. Apeiron is the one who revealed everything that should have been hidden.
Mike is either neutral or has only a bit negative feelings towards him.
Mark feels he has failed a lot before and is letting it out now. Right now he doesn't know what he should do. Unknown what he feels specifically towards Apeiron who began with his thinker claims.
Sarah is anxious of Apeiron. Other unknown feelings.
Crystal is both angry and afraid of Apeiron.
Eric wants to take risks. Wants fame. Very likely negative because his ticket to fame/family got hit by Apeiron's accusations and predictions. Is anxious.
Vicktoria feels responsible for her actions and her overreaction to them. Has a lot of different feelings towards him. Feels rage towards Apeiron's weapon deal. She feels like she has failed Apeiron's secret character test as she had lashed out at an at-worst neutral cape and driven him away from ever helping the city's heroes again.
Neil feels like he's the one that was at fault. He was the one who confessed his cheating when he was asked. He thinks that Apeiron probably wasn't malicious when he said as he did. And I quote he feels "anger, guilt, shame, frustration, and despair flickering by" towards Apeiron and "He hasn't knocked down anything that wasn't about to fall apart anyway."
Amy is in better headspace since Ethan talked to her. She doesn't have so quite a black and white world view anymore. However her feelings regarding Apeiron is still largely unknown but its probably that she has a lot of negative feelings towards him.
Carol has only negative feelings. Is also probably angry towards him. Is probably also afraid of Apeiron as he checks many boxes for her trauma. Just to name a few his particularly the lack of territory, independent nature, high power, and particular code, or at least commitment to contracts. Apeiron is the one who revealed everything that should have been hidden.
Mike is either neutral or has only a bit negative feelings towards him.
Mark feels he has failed a lot before and is letting it out now. Right now he doesn't know what he should do. Unknown what he feels specifically towards Apeiron who began with his thinker claims.
Sarah is anxious of Apeiron. Other unknown feelings.
Crystal is both angry and afraid of Apeiron.
Eric wants to take risks. Wants fame. Very likely negative because his ticket to fame/family got hit by Apeiron's accusations and predictions. Is anxious.
Vicktoria feels responsible for her actions and her overreaction to them. Has a lot of different feelings towards him. Feels rage towards Apeiron's weapon deal. She feels like she has failed Apeiron's secret character test as she had lashed out at an at-worst neutral cape and driven him away from ever helping the city's heroes again.
Neil feels like he's the one that was at fault. He was the one who confessed his cheating when he was asked. He thinks that Apeiron probably wasn't malicious when he said as he did. And I quote he feels "anger, guilt, shame, frustration, and despair flickering by" towards Apeiron and "He hasn't knocked down anything that wasn't about to fall apart anyway."
Amy is in better headspace since Ethan talked to her. She doesn't have so quite a black and white world view anymore. However her feelings regarding Apeiron is still largely unknown but its probably that she has a lot of negative feelings towards him.
Norr
Misophist
- Location
- Any chair
Internship. Has a sequel and a few spinoffs.
Paint-like Goop (AmberSlime)
Paint-like Goop
It was the aftermath of Leviathan's attempted attack on Brockton Bay. Emphasis on "attempted." Thanks to the Celestial Forge, Leviathan was defeated soundly, with no casualties on the side of the defenders. But, the weapon used happened to have a side-effect...
"What's this icky, paint-like goop?" Vista asked, the Wards huddling around a large puddle of glowing green goop.
"It's moving..." Tattletale shivered, clearly unnerved by the glop of substance. The rest of the Undersiders eyed the puddle with varying levels of interest.
"N-Now, now, children," Apeiron called, rushing over, looking a little panicked. He paused upon noticing the Wards were there as well. "...and also the Wards! Don't touch that stuff!"
"Can I eat it?" Vista asked, directing a plastic smile laced with exhaustion and begrudging gratitude towards Apeiron.
"Uh, no, that would... involve touching it."
Vista's smile turned smug. She placed her hands on her hips and leaned forwards slightly. "What if I already did?"
Apeiron pulled out a massive PDA and started poking at various buttons, producing many beeping sounds. "Well then, you'll probably explode," he reported.
Vista nodded as if this was expected. "Oh, okay..." she replied, turning her attention back towards the puddle of bubbling green gunk.
Vista suddenly wrenched her eyes back up to Apeiron's helmet. "Wait, WHAT?!" she squawked, before the Bay was enveloped in a nuclear explosion.