I think we need to disregard probing Kazumi over the witchbomb for the moment because we've got bigger fish to fry, namely figuring out what the heck is going on right now. Our energy would be better used trying to unravel And rectify this whole Yuuri(+?)Hijiri vs. The Pleiades situation. This really isn't the time nor the place for the witchbomb talk.
 
[ ] Multitask conversations.

[ ] Hijiri:
-[ ] Apologize. We're not handling this well.
-[ ] We don't want to keep her prisoner. We want her to be free, to have a peaceful life. It's what we made our Wish for.
-[ ] But for that, we all need to come to an agreement, and Niko's and her problem needs to be solved peacefully.
-[ ] Ask her to collaborate for that, if nothing else.
-[ ] Offer to block telepathy from Yuuri, if she's bothering her.
-[ ] Ask if she has questions?

[ ] Yuuri:
-[ ] She's right we don't understand.
-[ ] Everyone's mad right now, and we don't want anyone to die. Not us, not the Pleiades, not her.
-[dubiouuuuus] What would Yuuri do?

Trying to rile Yuuri up into a monologue... Uh... That'd be a thing. Can't say anything about odds, or results. Well, she'd be further pissed, and I don't think I like our chances of achieving a peaceful solution afterwards... but maybe it would help if she did an evil monologue, just to express what she's feeling?

:confused:
 
Hmm. I think that at this point, we aren't getting anywhere anymore with Hijiri. Let's switch up our approach a bit, and let Mami fill in while we recover from social fatigue.

[x] Apologize to Hijiri. We're not handling this well. Offer her the memory device's proximity to stop Yuuri's screaming.
-[x] Ask if she knows any phone contact info for Yuuri, in case she stops responding to your hails.

[x] To Yuuri: You haven't felt the same, but you can imagine how much it hurts. What you don't understand is why she'd want anyone else to feel that.
-[x] Aim for a motive rant - any information is potentially useful.

[x] To Mami: You have some ideas on how to handle Hijiri. Maybe she'll have better luck.
-[x] Niko wants Hijiri to have a safe, happy life. Hijiri doesn't want to live the life that Niko made for her. There are compromises that fit both.
-[x] Asking Niko if she'd accept a different, still happy life for Hijiri might help?
-[x] She should run all this by Kazumi, probably.

147 words.
 
[x] Redshirt

I agree with all the above. I particularly want to emphasize asking Niko that question infront of Hijiri, as no matter what she answers we win.
 
We're gonna have to say something to Kazumi. We have been privately talking with her 'prisoner'.

Sure. We can give her the briefing at the same time that we reach home base and start cooking an elaborate breakfast planning how to catch Airi. It doesn't have to happen this update.

 
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Hmm. I think that at this point, we aren't getting anywhere anymore with Hijiri. Let's switch up our approach a bit, and let Mami fill in while we recover from social fatigue.

[x] Apologize to Hijiri. We're not handling this well. Offer her the memory device's proximity to stop Yuuri's screaming.
-[x] Ask if she knows any phone contact info for Yuuri, in case she stops responding to your hails.

[x] To Yuuri: You haven't felt the same, but you can imagine how much it hurts. What you don't understand is why she'd want anyone else to feel that.
-[x] Aim for a motive rant - any information is potentially useful.

[x] To Mami: You have some ideas on how to handle Hijiri. Maybe she'll have better luck.
-[x] Niko wants Hijiri to have a safe, happy life. Hijiri doesn't want to live the life that Niko made for her. There are compromises that fit both.
-[x] Asking Niko if she'd accept a different, still happy life for Hijiri might help?
-[x] She should run all this by Kazumi, probably.

147 words.
So what's the goal with getting Yuuri's phone number? I can see the point if we're literally locked out of telepathy but, has someone even been able to block us off from telepathic contact before? (outside our own privacy field)
 
So what's the goal with getting Yuuri's phone number? I can see the point if we're literally locked out of telepathy but, has someone even been able to block us off from telepathic contact before? (outside our own privacy field)
I think the odds of getting the number are very low, and the chances of it being useful are also low, since it's easier to ignore a phone call/text than telepathy.

Though, a text message is harder to ignore, if you have to fight your own curiosity in the long run.

But it's... harmless? At worst, Hijiri would make up bad reasons why we want the number, but that's about it.

[X] Redshirt Army
 
-[x] Asking Niko if she'd accept a different, still happy life for Hijiri might help?
-[] Ask Niko if she'd accept a different, still happy life for Hijiri, and make sure Hijiri hears her answer?
So what's the goal with getting Yuuri's phone number? I can see the point if we're literally locked out of telepathy but, has someone even been able to block us off from telepathic contact before? (outside our own privacy field)
Goal is that hackerguca can track the phone. We don't really care about using it for actual communication.


[x] Redshirt Army
 
Goal is that hackerguca can track the phone. We don't really care about using it for actual communication.


[x] Redshirt Army
In that case I'll voice an objection in that I think it's not going to work, as there's too many reasons to Hijiri to reject it on it's face, (From most likely to least likely 1: "What, help you bug her harder and get her to yell at me even more when you drop the field?" 2: "I don't have it." 3: "If I did that she'd stop yelling and actually try to kill me.") and is a bit of an opportunity cost.

I think that encouraging Hijiri ask questions of/about us or Mami would be a better use of the space. Or something else entirely to get her better inclined to us and/or smooth the transition from talking to us to talking to Mami.

Nevertheless, that seems to be my only real objection here, and as I don't think it has the potential to sink everything.

[X]Redshirt Army
 
[x] Redshirt Army

Yeah I'm getting a mental blank for anything else that should be added. That being said I still want to tell Hijiri we're an artificial human at the first opportunity.
 
At some point we need to actually confirm that Hijiri's wish was different from canon; if it was still made with the intent to murder Niko/witness her death, the two of them are going to be pretty much irreconcilable without one or both of them going through Wish rejection, and we really don't want that to happen.
 
Something that I thought last night while going to sleep.

Remember Hijiri's reaction watching the pleiades' hugpile?
Kazumi heads straight for Niko and pulls her into a tight hug, one which Niko returns with equal ferocity. They're joined seconds later by the lavender floof that is Mirai, the girl all but tackling them into a gigantic hug. You can't help but notice the envy that washes across Hijiri's face, there and gone in an instant before Kazumi releases Niko and turns to Hijiri.

Now, this update, she had another reaction she also suppressed as soon as she realized it:
"You can't possibly understand my pain!" Anri shrieks. "I- I- you're just like them!"

You're not terribly disappointed with Hijiri's reaction, either. The girl stiffens, hands twitching into fists before she catches herself and forces herself to relax.

Interesting.
So, another read I get from this:

Obviously, Hijiri's reacting because of a very strong feeling. Envy earlier... but what now?

A possibility is that Yuuri is something Hijiri can call hers. Her own 'friend', outside Niko's plans, however deranged. And we're taking that away, showing her how almonds Yuuri is, showing her that was a bad life choice. Just like it was when she attacked the lab, and Niko.

This would help explain why she went along with the lab raid, too, if she thought she had found a friend in Yuuri. If Yuuri insists, for someone as isolated as Hijiri, that's enough peer pressure to move her hand.

Now, if Hijiri does consider Yuuri a 'friend', that might be a problem when asking her to help hunt her down.

It might help to talk with Hijiri about Yuuri's problems.
 
"Oh, that's a good idea," you say. An idea strikes you. "Do you think something coffee flavoured would be too mean?"

Can someone please explain-
Ah. Cause she's a sleepyhead. Okay.


A laser beam. Now we're talking.

And you choke yourself off, fighting back the blush that's already making its way onto your face. Too soon. Too soon, when just last night she was sobbing into your arms because she was terrified you'd leave her. She... Whatever her feelings towards you, you don't want to pressure her.

Idk about that, but being romantically invlovled with Mami is a terrible idea, at the moment. Regardless of her feelings, she wouldn't refuse, and that makes things not okay. Basically she would ignore asking herself whether she likes you, and if yes, then in what capacity, and go straight into "I'll do whatever you want, just don't leave me."
Mami. :(
Another problem is that Mami would almost never make the first move in such a situation. Even if she does like you, she won't ask, because her problem is almost diametrically opposite of ours. She's irrationally afraid of Sabrina leaving her over any disagreement, and well, asking someone out was never easy even without heavy abandonment issues.

The only way I see it resolving happily, barring any character development ( which will happen, I'm talking about this whole thing from the hypothetical standpoint of Sabrina and Mami during On a Rail. ), is someone ( one hint: pink is cute ) playing a matchmaker between them, without Sabrina being aware of it. Yeah, that would clearly be easy as pie. And by easy as pie, I mean impossible, cause, you know, we're Sabrina.

I wrote that? Huh. :confused:

You laugh, throwing your arms around both Mami and yourself, the Mami on your head pitching forward with to hug your head from the top. You -the chibi you- squirm out of Mami's hug and clamber onto her head, opening your arms to the chibi-Mami in invitation.

Just marking the place where I've nearly reached hyperosmolar hyperglycemic state.
Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...


Homura peers at the rifle, interested.

Hey, do you reckon Homura became a bit of a gun nut during the loop? Totally understandable, considering her situation. Will she retain her hobbie after Walpurgisnacht, though?

Really, what is it about that gun that makes it so popular?

Desert Eagle is big and shiny. Two qualities that attract all kinds of people.
There is also something inexplicably badass in its name. "Desert Eagle". Sends shivers down your spine, doesn't it? No? It's just me? Okaaay, nevermind.

... Sayaka and limb loss. Heh.

Hora-hora, Sayaka Quest!

"Orders, Captain Ahab?"

Goddamit, Sayaka.

"That won't be necessary,"

I think this should be our "I should go."
Bonus points for saying it together with Homura.
More bonus points if we get her to agree to say it together with us.

... Right, Mitakihara Middle School Syllabus. It deserves the capital letter.

Yeah. I bet they'd assign to read the whole Legendarium over summer holidays, just for kicks. Japanese summer holidays.

Printed across it in gold-embossed words are a single phone number and a name.

How?
Is it connected to her knowledge about the main cast? Like, she was infodumped with everything essential for her to start out, but if she requires more information, she just needs to wish for it. That makes no sense, unless she's really a manifestation of Madokami's Wish. Or she's inside Homura's barrier. Or we are representing higher-dimensional beings who really hate Incubators, so they(we) decided to hit them where it hurts: money energy. Or...
Damn it, tinfoil hat. Again?!
Hmm. Could she have wished for a specific location? I mean, why not? She got her phone number. Or is it extending to information Sabrina could possibly find out herself only? I'm pretty sure there was a reasoning in the forum thread, but I can't find it. ( not that I was looking very hard. Oh well. )

Oh, wait, the movie comes out at the end of the year, doesn't it?

So, what, precognizance? Or maybe stop asking stupid questions and roll with it...

Seriously, Tomohisa's like 185cm tall.

Yep, that's really tall for Japan.

You don't know what Sayaka sees in him, really, what with his fawning over his violin. He will have once made a terrible boyfriend to Hitomi, neglecting her in favour of, well, his violin. Apparently he much prefers said instrument's wooden curves.

Which razes ( no, not a misspelling :p ) even more questions about him and Homura. Terryfying, mind-boggling questions.

Heh. Inner shipper...s aside, you don't think Homura is in any kind of mindset to see Madoka as anything but 'someone to be protected'. Trauma does that to a person, after all.

Sadly, canon. Someone from the team said that Homura's feelings to Madoka are decidedly non-romantic during the main series. And Rebellion... well.


Because she's about as straight as a bow shaft? :rofl:
I regret nothing!

Come to think of it, why did substitution come after integration by parts, anyway? The logic of integrating by parts makes more sense when viewed through the lens of substitution.

Supposedly, it's easier to operate or some such. I dunno, they let us do many things in any way we want, as long as the results are correct and not pulled out of the ass.

As Hitomi watches with sharp interest

I think the girl will figure things out even if we don't tell her. She is smart.

Hitomi's eyes meet yours, a telepathic connection snapping together. "She's the one who set Sayaka's house on fire, isn't she?"

As I said, smart. Although, I was talking about Witchbombing. Like, I can see Hitomi figuring it out on her own, through a few observations and logical conclusions.

"You did not have the right to pronounce judgement," Hitomi says, cold and clear.

I like how, when Sabrina talks, things get worse and worse with each update, even when/if they get better after. Don't you?

It wasn't that long ago, and you're not proud of what you did.

500 thousand words in, and she still can't forget it.
... Maybe I didn't need to rant about it, after all.

"Duh I would have. Like you!" Sayaka declares. "So what?"

The difference would be, Sabrina contracted to survive. Sayaka would have done that to get her revenge or justice or whatever. Justice is a noble goal. As long as it's not a justification.

"Stop it, stop it-" Sayaka cuts you off, fisting her hands in her hair. "Stop that, just get to the point."

Yep, one melodramatic speech too many, Sabrina.
Not that melodrama is a bad thing. It's just starting to grate you when in large quantities.
You've overexposed Sayaka, and you shall pay.
Meh.

You tactfully leave out the implied 'you drama queen'.

Kettle, pot, yellow.
... what?

"Thank you. Thank you for..." you purse your lips, trying to find the words to convey what you mean. "Thank you for being you. I messed up, back there, more than once, and... you caught me, every time."

Maybe we should delegate as much talking as we can to Mami?
Nah, that'd just be lazy, even if easier in the long run.

"She's setting herself up as the scapegoat," you murmur to Mami.

Oujo is not so different from us. She has foreknowledge. She wants to save everyone. The only difference is that she hacks and slashes through the problems, presenting solutions by applying the algorithm "spider?->shotgun" to everything, while Sabrina only maims and brutalizes her social interactions.
:V

( I know that Firnagzen just makes social combat hard and as realistic as possible, because it's one of the most important aspects of PMAS. Just let me have my sass, please? Thank you. )

Hell, you kind of wish you could give her a vacation somehow. Pack her some food, shove her into timestop to just sleep and relax.

I think it'd be counterproductive. Maybe I'm wrong, but hear me out.
Homura will break. Arguably, Rebellion is all about Homura simultaneously having a witching-out and a massive breakdown, a simplification so callous I kinda wish I'd have saved "hear me out" for this sentence. Anyway.
She's acquired decades of emotional trauma that she reins in by enforcing tight control over her actions, though using Path of Madokami instead of normal human morality. VtM reference, btw.
The moment things calm down a bit, she's going to have a BSOD the sizes of which we haven't seen since Cloud figured out that... agh, whatever, spoilers. The game's two decades old. Whatever.

She's basically running ahead of her trauma. When trauma catches up, we'd need a lot of time to help Homura stay in one piece, psychologically speaking. Doing this with Walugimart and Feathers mindbuggery still around is probably not the best idea.
Depends on how much time we're willing to spend inside the time stop. Maybe a couple of months for preliminary therapy? What am I doing, I have no education in this field whatsoever, why don't we have a professional psychotherapist in our group? Or... do we?

Going to read the rest of the chapter in silence.

"'m not stupid," Kirika says, twiddling her fingers together. "You think that Oriko's purpose in life is me?"


Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!
Sorry, sorry, couldn't resist.

Finished "On a Rail". Invisitext starts creeping me out. And it's so damn irregular. Keeps you on the edge.
 
Maybe we could simply ask her about Yuuri? something like [] Let's talk about Yuuri. Just let her talk about her ally in general?
Works into the other question that I really wanted to ask, which was "What could Yuuri have said that convinced Hijiri about anything except her being totally deranged". Because "She's totally deranged" and "I believed every word she said" are pretty thoroughly incompatible statements.

On "What did Yuuri say that convinced you", that's also our lead to asking Niko about her wish - "Yeah, that's not what Niko's wish was, let me demonstration. Hey Niko, come over here!".
 
Works into the other question that I really wanted to ask, which was "What could Yuuri have said that convinced Hijiri about anything except her being totally deranged". Because "She's totally deranged" and "I believed every word she said" are pretty thoroughly incompatible statements.

On "What did Yuuri say that convinced you", that's also our lead to asking Niko about her wish - "Yeah, that's not what Niko's wish was, let me demonstration. Hey Niko, come over here!".

As long as Hijiri's in a seperate compartment from Mami, Kyuubey might actually be useful here to corroborate. As a bonus, it ought to help further undermine trust in the Incubator when Hijiri asks him why he didn't tell her that in the first place and he pulls the old 'you didn't ask' routine.
 
"What could Yuuri have said that convinced Hijiri about anything except her being totally deranged"
I believe that'd be something of a repeat. She's already insisted she felt like doing something and there was a chance.

She's taking refuge in what Yuuri has told her, just like she's taking refuge on the idea she's our eternal prisoner who is defenseless and whose opinion doesn't matter.

She knows she can't trust Yuuri. But Yuuri is still something Niko didn't plan for her.

And she doesn't have to face the consequences of her actions as long as she insists on the 'Yuuri told me the truth' story.

I think Hijiri will admit to her own crap once we reach an agreement with her.

Of course, if this is evil Hijiri and we don't win her over, she's just spewing crap.
 
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