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Puella Magi Adfligo Systema

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'Lement said:
So, I'm back.

Some of you have expressed doubts about our ability to match up to Madoka, to cover ludicrious number of trillions of lightyears^3 (at the very least) to perhaps get back the grief seeds (working only if incubator energy extraction uses eternal suffering instead of soul conversion for energy) and to make an argument through force against hyper-advanced alien civilization and managing to dewitch all the dozens, possibly lot of thousands of millions of grief seeds before dying of old age IRL.

Some of you have gone even further, and expressed doubt in our ability to save the girls on earth in livable timespan, due their internal conflicts and frictions and hate and loneliness and separation from any kinds of support networks.

I, too, have doubts.

This is why the desired end goal I have doesn't encompass war with incubators or leaving earth.

No, what I want to take is the Dom Atlantis route.

A route that shouldn't, cannot, possibly depend exclusively on Sabrina or even need her, properly done (Asunaro is quite important there, for starters); a route that could have the incubators support it and be possibly even beneficial to it, if one is callous.

I wish you shouldn't need to be a magical girl or potential to be saved, you shouldn't need to know Madoka to matter,

...Even if Madoka and Homura have buttons to invalidate or improve the whole of it, even after completion.

...Even if the life of a magical girl without Sabrina is something akin to late-stage cancer patient with deadman's switch on suicide vest, and Sabrina is best known remedy.

Yet, I must acknowledge it to be a dream.

Sadly, I feel if a non-Japan nuclear war would erupt in PMAS(due, say, antimatter accidents?), Sabrina would probably not know, or if know, intercede - prioritizing staying with the quintet in Mitakihara over some distant muggles.

It's the same sort of resignation I feel at myself, when I consider those that have helped me a lot, that have left my home country behind to literally go help children in Africa.

I'm not someone who is good enough, yet I wish Sabrina could be.
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I'm not saying that Sabrina shouldn't stop nuclear war, but there's a good case for the time being that it's better to stay in Mitakihara. If we can get Homu to agree to abuse timestop, that's potentially everyone saved. Furthermore, Madoka has the potential (ha) to destroy the world, and an empirical demonstration that it will happen. If our goal is to save lives, we have to either spend our time helping Madoka (both directly and via stable freinds), or kill her, and I think I know which one we'd prefer.
On a more meta level, efficient altruism isn't as interesting as characters. A story that goes "and then Sabrina spent all her time helping people we'll never see again, doing good and saving lives" wouldn't have 3000 pages. Unless you are acting ic, people in story that aren't characters are quite literally just statistics.
Although now that I think of it, the path to saving the most people would probably involve bribing kyubey. Maybe that would make a good quest.
 
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'Lement said:
It occurs to me that we'd have absolutely no problem with Koko's safe if we have grief deletion. (Just stay transformed all the time.)
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Being perma-transformed would make clothing a problem, unless we're willing to use the same clothes every day.

I mean, we could transform and change into street clothes, but then we wouldn't have our convenient, self repairing magical outfit for battles. Clothing damage would mean many more shopping trips.

(Or we could cover ourselves in grief armor before every fight?)

... Or, we could keep the magical clothes and transform them like when we played maid, but then there's that itch.

Either way it's kind of silly. :p We justify not having extra protection on our gem with OOC reasons, anyway.
 
Yep, we could earlier mend and change our transformed clothes (maid life~) without changing out and in of them.

However, Firn has not been exactly shy about showing how Sabrina can easily be outspeed in combat. If that isn't a warning, then this one is:
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*sigh*

It's true, Mami would probably forgive us for fucking burying the witchbomb.
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She found out in the moment that she'd lost a student and felt the worst about herself, and decided that the only proper thing was to kill her friends to spare them that fate before killing herself. Watch the tetris scene. She knows she can't kill all of her friends at once, so she starts with Kyoko, not out of threat level, but because Kyoko is someone she's been quite close to and she doesn't want her to be afraid in her final moments.
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IC, we have also been warned about bombs and spreading ourselves thin by Oriko, and have anguished over our role in war.

(Not warned about this particular one, but it is very genre appropriate end.)

That said, ignoring even "we can't die", grief armor is still probably a decent idea when we've spent hours healing our limbs. And narratively, other characters don't have nearly the plot shield Sabrina has under that umbrella.

@QTesseract:
Mostly, you demonstrate my point. All true, but... :(

Still, a question:
Can get Homu to agree to what?

Also, of course can't personally meet and save everyone. Delegates and delegation and yes it'd be great if Kyuubey would be helping with getting more potentials (but it's Kyuubey).
 
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Hey, if we find somebody's about to nuke some place, we can literally ask Homu to help us stop it immediately and inexplicably, and make it look like the Illuminati did it.
 
Onmur said:
Hey, if we find somebody's about to nuke some place, we can literally ask Homu to help us stop it immediately and inexplicably, and make it look like the Illuminati did it.
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I'd personally prefer a giant laser lancing upwards from the depths of the ocean to pierce the nuke.

Send world governments out hunting for Atlantis and/or Ry'leh.
 
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    • "Of course, Mami," you agree, tightening your hug around her. "I'd like that - and I'm always happy to help. School matters, and there should always be room for the things that matter to you."

    "Alright," she says, fingers reaching out for the cake tins. "Umm... I need to release the cakes now."

    "Go ahead," you say. "Hmm... Your plan from, uh, before I panicked seems great. I don't see any issues with it, so... Let's do that."

    You finally release Mami from the hug, instead shuffling around beside her and grabbing a cake tin of your own. You run a blunt knife around the edge of the tin and invert it over some waxed paper, depositing a perfectly golden-brown layer of cake - and by the time you're done, Mami's already finished the other two layers.

    You both reach for the cream at the same time. You smile, and step back, letting Mami take the lead. Sadly, you only have one set of equipment for that, but on the other hand, you can start in on the rest of the pastries.

    "Hmm," you hum. "Sayaka sounded... kind of upset I woke her up early. I'll have to make it up to her somehow."

    "Ah... You could bake her something?" Mami suggests, whipping the icing with a brisk hand. "Though I'm sure she wasn't really upset."

    "Oh, that's a good idea," you say. An idea strikes you. "Do you think something coffee flavoured would be too mean?"

    Mami takes a moment to get it. She giggles when she does, clear and tinkling. "No," she says. "But we don't have any coffee. We could go and buy some?"

    You consider that, heart soaring at hearing her laugh. "Nah, we don't have the time. Do we have any raspberry jam?"

    "We do," Mami says. "We just bought the jar yesterday, remember?"

    "Excellent," you say, rubbing your hands together. "Now, we have cream cheese and honey too, and hmm... Nah, I think I won't make something personalised for everyone. Ruins the apology if I do that, though... What if Sayaka gets an extra one?"

    Mami pauses in her icing, giving you a puzzled look.

    "Cupcakes!" you declare happily as you walk over to the fridge. "Cupcakes for everyone, and they're easy enough that we can bake them alongside the cooking we need to do now."

    "No, not that," Mami says. "T-though that's a great idea! Just, um, raspberry jam, cream cheese, and honey? Um, sorry, I'm sure you have some idea-"

    You set the jars down and poke Mami's nose, stopping her apology in its tracks. "Not all together, Mami," you say. "I was thinking we could make personalised cupcakes for everyone, in the end."

    "Oh," Mami says, looking down.

    You nudge her in the side. "None of that," you say, giving her a warm smile. "Now, what else do we have to prepare?"

    "Well," Mami says, a slight, worried edge on her smile. You wouldn't even know it's there if you weren't looking. "We should cut and season all the meat and fish that we'll be cooking later. Um, you wanted to prepare Indian curry, right? Does that need any preparation?"

    "Yeah, it would be best if we could season the meat earlier, too," you agree.

    And so you do. The cake turns out perfect -how else could it be, with Mami at the helm?- and it's joined by scores of cookies and cupcakes, mostly done by your hand. At first, anyway. The kitchens fills with the delicious scents of baking confectionery as Mami finishes up with the cake and joins you. The two of you work with smooth synchronisation and utter comfort with each other's presence, movements all but choreographed. The pre-cooking preparation is squared away too, seasoned meats and prepared spices tucked away in the refrigerator.

    You step away from the counter, rolling your neck and beaming at Mami. You grab a cupcake hidden away in a corner and present it to Mami - the first one you'd decorated. It's covered with smooth ripples of honey frosting, and you might have used a touch of Grief to steady your hands just so. You'd considered adding two little twists to represent her hair drills, but that's a little too... on the nose, so to speak.

    "Here you are," you declare happily, beaming at Mami. "This one's for you, Mami."

    "A-ah-" Mami blinks in surprise, and then beams at you, wobbly but pleased. "Thank you, Sabrina!" She takes the cupcake, cradling it between both her hands like something precious.

    You smile, wiping away a bit of sweat and pulling her into a sidelong hug. "Anyway, we'll pack all of this up, and then head out to the junkyard?"

    Mami nods, carefully putting her cupcake down and leaning into the hug. "Alright," she agrees, carefully inspecting the piles of baked goods arrayed over the counter. "We can cover most of these and leave them to cool outside, but the cake needs to go in the refrigerator."

    You beam at Mami. "Sounds good," you say, searching for the net cover. "Hm... Do you think we should invite Homura along? We could have Sayaka try and copy her power."

    Mami hums. "The more the merrier," she agrees, starting to arrange the cookies and cupcakes neatly. She sets the cupcake you made for her off to one side with reverent care.

    "Mmm. Oh, here it is," you say, finally locating the cover. You leave it on the counter beside Mami, ready for use. "Hmm... So, Mami, I was thinking, one of my biggest limitations is my range, right?"

    Mami hesitates before nodding. "Right?"

    "I wanted to test a few things to see how various effects behave near the edge of my range, to see if I can cheat and make constructs that can go beyond that range," you explain, shuffling over to the sink and washing your hands. You take care to scrub the flour out from under your Grief ring.

    "Ah, I see," Mami says, brightening at the topic. She unfurls the net cover with an elegant flourish, throwing it over the baked goods. "So... like throwing things? Or a gun?"

    You swallow an amused snort. You should have expected that Mami would jump to that conclusion, given her... obvious propensities. "Well, that's one thing," you agree, gesturing towards the kitchen door. "Like, if I throw something using Grief, will it keep going? And, say, light, or sound. Or what if I made light or sound? If a glowing construct can be seen from outside my range, then I can make a laser beam, right?"

    Mami nods as she follows you to the bedroom where you grab some clothes. "Magic may not always make sense," she notes, following suit. "But it's worth trying!"

    You nod. "I know," you agree, offering your arm for her to ribbon. "And, say, if maybe I can't make a laser beam directly - what if I used that laser pointer with Grief batteries?"

    Mami tilts her head, considering that. "We'll find out," she says, smiling a little.

    You pull her into a hug. "'course," you say. "And I can't do it without you. I need a spotter, after all, so I waited until I could do it with you."

    "Thank you." Mami burrows into the hug.

    You hold her for a few minutes before pulling back a little. "Shall we?"

    "Mmmn," she agrees, heading into the bathroom.

    "Say, Mami," you call through the door, leaning against it from the outside. "I just thought of something, since you brought up guns - how did you practice the... really destructive attacks? Like Tiro Finale? I've had some idea, but the collateral damage..."

    "Oh," Mami responds, accompanied by the rustling of cloth. "Sometimes, I'd head to the outskirts of the city, where there's not many people. Or else I'd fire it straight into the ground if it wasn't too destructive, or use a Witch Barrier if the Familiars weren't very aggressive."

    A few minutes later, both of you have changed - once into casual wear, and once again to your puella magi costumes. You're bounding over the rooftops, headed for the customary junkyard. The morning dawns clear, the sun beginning it's trek up the sky at a bright and early seven.

    Hm. Warehouse-kun's probably getting a little lonely, but the junkyard is Mami's spot.

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    "Of course, Mami," you agree, tightening your huh around her. "I'd like that - and I'm always happy to help. School matters, and there should always be room for the things that matter to you."
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    *thinks of truant officier*
    "Cupcakes!" you declare happily as you walk over to the fridge. "Cupcakes for everyone, and they're easy enough that we can bake them alongside the cooking we need to do now."
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    I didn't expect cupcakes.
    You step away from the counter, rolling your neck and beaming at Mami. You grab a cupcake hidden away in a corner and present it to Mami - the first one you'd decorated. It's covered with smooth ripples of honey frosting, and you might have used a touch of Grief to steady your hands just so. You'd considered adding two little twists to represent her hair drills, but that's a little too... on the nose, so to speak.
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    Well now. A callback to our waking considerations?
    You pull her into a hug. "'course," you say. "And I can't do it without you. I need a spotter, after all, so I waited until I could do it with you."
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    Hm.
    Hm. Warehouse-kun's probably getting a little lonely, but the junkyard is Mami's spot.
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    ♥

    What time it is, @Firnagzen?
     
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    Hm, I guess we have about 2 hours before it is reasonable to meet with people (though we could push 8, given most of them go to school)

    Tentative plan. Well, we spoke about range, so..

    [O] In the junkyard:
    [O] Safety precautions: Simple grief/ribbon shields for soulgems and nets to protect from accidental sharpnel.
    [O] Always warn Mami before doing anything witchy.

    [O] First, non-witchy movement:
    -[O] Pick up a rock with grief, then accelerate it to 10 m/s in a second, then throw it out at the edge of range at 45° degree angle away from anything important. See how far it lands.
    -[O] Do same with our warhammer.
    -[O] Inside range:
    --[O]Pick up a piece of metal and move it with grief back and forth, each time increasing acceleration, until such a time that metal shows deformation, damage, or noise gets excessively loud.
    --[O?] Try to see if you can move grief from 1 place to another without crossing interviewing space.
    ---[O?]If successful, try to create and erase grief.

    [O] Second, consult with Mami about extending your range.
    -[O] See if you can give Mami control of a grief marble.
    --[O] If successful, what about if she only leaves only a ribbon in your range?
    ---[O] What if she leaves entirely, but doesn't move the marble out of your range?
    -[O] See if Mami can entwine her magic around yours, when controlling a grief marble. Try to get her to pick up one and see if she can keep it moving and together out of range by matching your movements.

    [O] Third, light: Ask Mami to stand out 101 meters away and call out the color of light she sees on a different car outside our range and at distance from Mami.
    [O] Take out the laser pointer you bought yesterday, and point it at car.
    [O] Create a grief replica of it, and then point it at car.
    -[O] If failure, create just the batteries, and try again.

    [O] Fourth, outside visible spectrum.
    -[O] Create a strong electromagnet. Check if it moves iron things laying around inside our range. Then move it to the edge of our range and try again.
    --[O] If successful, ask Mami to listen to the radio on her phone. Attempt to interfere and give a signal.
    ---[O] If successful, create gravity pull on a basketball sphere again. See if it pulls on things outside our range.

    [O] Fifth, enchanting.
    -[O] Create enchantment-guiding bracelet from grief.
    -[O] Use said bracelet to create one from magic, then dismiss the first one.
    -[O] Cut or bend some wood or metal nearby into a pendant.
    -[O] Apply enchantment on it: To collect grief from other grief-containing objects that touch it into a harmless and compact form.

    The second part I'm most unsure about.
    Non-witchy defence and communications in fourth are always useful, and light is great too with griefy enchantment devices.

    Proper enchantment could take time, though, it is worth a shot since it is our magic and should be easiest. Contemplated using gold, but too flashy and easy target for mundane thief. Maybe some other form would be better?
     
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    Grief Eyeball?

    Grief Railgun + Tell Mami to upgrade it with her magic?

    Warn Mami before we do anything that might require our full concentration?

    Since Mami said non-dangerous Witch Barriers are good places in where to practice, make a Barrier.

    Since we're messing with light, Solar Flare.

    Try and see if Gravity Control is a good option in battle? (Spar with Mami)

    Make a Witchy Grief Object that enhances hugs.

    Grief-aided-non-Grief-enchantment that moves/deletes Grief, then tell Mami if she thinks she could copy. Probably game breaking, or would cause a lot of trouble from KB's side.
     
    It's early morning, and the birds and the sun was almost down from the top of the sky.

    I got some updates for my own Dangan Ronpa quest on Bay12, but afterwards I'm coming back here to roll up my INTP sleeves and do some !!MAGIC!!.

    We ought to do some poking at Grief Intelligence. A decent-level GI would be very nice to have.
     
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    It's early morning, and the birds and the sun was almost down from the top of the sky.

    I got some updates for my own Dangan Ronpa quest on Bay12, but afterwards I'm coming back here to roll up my INTP sleeves and do some !!MAGIC!!.

    We ought to do some poking at Grief Intelligence. A decent-level GI would be very nice to have.
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    How could I forget.

    [Q] Ask Mami what she feels about Familiars.
    -[Q] Specifically, Maid Familiars and Brina-like Familiars.

    But actually the best way to SCIENCE our Grief is to:

    [Q] Make Grief Lantern Ring.
    -[Q] Give it Mami.
    --[Q] Watch as she SCIENCE!-es far, far better than we ever could.
    ---[Q] Remember to take notes!
     
    [] Ask Mami if she can make her ribbons magnetic.

    No time like the present to try out that railgun combo attack.

    [] Ribbon mecha.

    IT MUST BE DONE.
     
    Ok, so general ideas:

    Can secondary effects of our grief extend past our range? (Light, sound, etc); what we talked about with Mami
    - Remember,we already sort of tested this with Oriko's rose bush

    "Sensing" through our grief (beyond just its relative position to us we already have) (jokingly, the "grief eyeball", though we probably won't go for that exactly)
    -Maybe ask Mami how she "senses" through her Ribbons

    Enchanement practice
    -do we just stick to the "simple", or do we try to enchant something with our "flavor" of magic like Kirika did? (Remember, Mami said that learning to enchant with your "natural" magic tends to come more easily)

    There is of course always the making our own familiar option, but we may want to wait until we have "bigger guns" around in case things to FUBAR before we try
     
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    There is of course always the making our own familiar option, but we may want to wait until we have "bigger guns" around in case things to FUBAR before we try
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    That's simple.

    [Q] Make Grief Homura.
    -[Q] Ask her to spot for you in case you fuck up.

    Torgamous said:
    [] Ask Mami if she can make her ribbons magnetic.

    No time like the present to try out that railgun combo attack.
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    We can provide the magnetism, at least.
     
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