Concho117
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Shit. Well there goes that idea by WOAN.
Well, what do you think about sending out discrete groups of Blackbirds to fuck things up? They are ninjas after all.
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Shit. Well there goes that idea by WOAN.
Well, what do you think about sending out discrete groups of Blackbirds to fuck things up? They are ninjas after all.
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Considering I counted their mercs as being their armies when AN said 'we could probably take them' I was counting that as the mercenaries and when he said they could bring others in to make it dicey I was thinking that AM meant the hired slaver tribes
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It makes me wonder why you guys think AN needed to clarify that an offensive choice would end badly. Maybe it is because one of the choices is an Offensive option? Which do you think that would be?
Yes the Trelli need to be talked to, but we are not currently capable of dealing with them in a martial manner.
Yes the Trelli need to be talked to, but we are not currently capable of dealing with them in a martial manner.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
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Well, we have his map which is like forty years old at this point. It clearly showed them without subordinates. And describing them as Venice and Carthage makes it sound like that's still true.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
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None of them are offensive war.
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As far as we are aware they are a single city using money to hire out the local tribes to raid for slaves and also using mercenaries as the basis for their armies.
They are supposed to be Not! Venice after all
Then why did AN say it was possible?
Also we are trying to avoid war by prematurely stopping their raids and massive expansion in a provocative but not aggressive fashion. It's not an insta war ticket, and if it did lead to war it'd be a defensive one
...Venetian Colonies.
Carthage.
The other comparison was to Rome. Did Rome have far-flung colonies or territory? Let me look that one up...
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No, it's because a poster asked him how prosecuting a war with them would shake out.
None of them, because the king knew that piece of information even before AN told us in thread, so only considered options that didn't involve an offensive war.
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If we are doing either East or West trade posts. I want to do Grand Docks asap, even before Census. We will seriously need the boat tech.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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That map is kinda ancient with complete non-information past Trelli point. And AN said they are Venice/Rome; so a bit flippy on that part.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
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He made it after we sacked Xohyr. It's not very old...
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Those posts were actually quite cool.
And of course, a Xoh Negaverse omake describing just that
Now, sure, this is also because some other values would have been violated (the Xoh perverting our knowledge also triggers Love of Wisdom or whatever it was back then), but it was made clear that use of biological warfare triggers Divine Stewards something fierce.
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I want to finish Palace before anything else. After that, we can talk about doing boat stuff.
Also, we can't afford the Grand Docks; they require lots of wood supply that we don't yet have. Maybe after we integrate the Stallions?
Hyacinthium
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this speaks to me
[X] [Exp] Challenge the Trelli to a children's card game.
BungieONI
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We are already doing that when we are fighting people in war. Did that to the Hats when we got into war with them.
Makes us a bitch to deal with since they can attack out of season as it were.
If you mean, before we get into war with someone, we nixed that idea long ago with the Metal Workers. It also again goes against our Justice trait.
E: And Joyous Symphony too now that I think about it.
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I'd also like to get the far north trading post before we grab the Grand Docks. I'd like to have as many types of wood available as possible.
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Why mention it at all then?
I am pretty sure he meant that one of the options is an offensive option.
He said it was possible to survive a defensive war.
I don't see trying to take someone's source of Tin as anything else but aggressive.
You guys also seem to be under the impression that this is going to be instantaneous. As if making the decision is going to cause a trading post to suddenly appear with contacts with the Tin Tribes.
The Trelli already have raiders scouring the coastline for slaves. They are not going fail to discover us. They will attack
Then why on earth do you think giving them a Causi Bellus is a good idea?
BungieONI
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Personally to me it's as valid as any of the other options, since the salt surrounding all the other ones have completely devalued them for me. My fucks to give have been completely drained out reading the discussion surrounding our expansion vote, because it looks like people are just flailing at each other inanely. It's kinda hilarious.
But this is just my opinion that is basically not factually supported at all, since there are resource cost differences between the various options.
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It was actually because I asked our war and admin advisors how we would do in a war against the Trelli in general. And since there is a major difference in how an offensive and defensive war would be prosecuted, they gave their opinions on both.
After all, if they just said 'Eh, it'll be hard, but we can take them' in answer to my question, there would have been people who would have pretty much gone 'Oh, so they aren't a big threat to us. Maybe we should be more aggressive and see if we can take them over soon'.
Hyacinthium
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A tradition of games as a surrogate for actual warfare is nice tbh.
VoidZero
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Ok, i stand corrected on age of map; but non-info still persists past Trille point.
We are not declaring war by building a Trading Post. Under that definition, we'd be fighting an offensive war anytime anyone tried to conquer us.
Use EU4 terms. It's an offensive war if you declare war. It's a defensive war if they declare war, even if they have a valid casus belli.
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I don't know how many times I've said this at this point. I feel it should have been pretty obvious, it's because doing nothing means they just raid us at their leisure instead. Snowballing of the gains that gives them to constantly intensify such raiding.
VoidZero
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Use the standard excuses.
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- they are axis of EVIL
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