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[X] [Loc] Valleyhome

[X] Great Hall Expansion
[X] Shrine
[X] Shrine x2
[X] Library
[X] Library x2
[X] Library x3
[X] Gardens
[X] Storehouse
 
tryrar said:
Yeah, resupply of the city will always be mainly by road(unless coming from the south by the river), but messengers aren't bound by such hassles, and what we're mainly concerned with is connectivity for admin purposes, which isn't supply heavy. So sea access isn't as important administratively, though it doesn't hurt.

The real issue is we simply can't afford to add all the rest of the stuff to make Redshore a proper True City to our pile of things to do in the near term, which means it's not a good idea to put the capital there, despite how handy sea access would be.
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That's fair; to make use of long-term advantages we should first survive until them and all.
That does not, however, mean that those long-term advantages do not exist.

Umi-san said:
IIRC we didn't connect the rivers because we worried about lowering the flow of the one valleyhome sat on?

We might get a chance to fix this/update the canal at some point. I'd imagine this would come after we do the Dam. It seems narratively apt.
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Maybe? I have no idea, honestly.


Aannd update!

To prevent bandwagoning, let's go with
[X] pblur

And discuss each and every option description. Those are fucking important and non-obvious things.
 
[] [Loc] Redshore
[X] Great Hall Expansion
[X] Shrine
[X] Library
[X] Library x2
[X] Gardens
[X] Arsenal

Will add storehouse and shrine expansion later. I consider the Great Hall Expansion necessary rn because expanding that will undoubtedly be incredibly expensive and will also possibly disturb our diplomatic activities for >20 years. Obviously, these choices add 6 more actions to the progress of the Palace. I consider them worthwhile, though.

I don't actually care that much where we build it tbh. Yes, we will deal with a lot of trouble rn if we build it at Redshore but that will lead to less trouble in the future. Yes, we will save a lot of effort if we build it at Valleyhome but we might need to rebuild it in the future.

Arguing that putting it at Redshore would take a lot of effort seems unfounded. Based on the update it will mostly just take an aqueduct. I'd like a Free City just to see what they do. Putting it in Valleyhome seems less troublesome culturally than Sacred Forest.
 
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[X] [Loc] Valleyhome
[X][Annex] Shrine
[X][Annex]Library
[X][Annex]Library x2

This is my minimum vote, which would come out to 8 actions
 
The actual longterm AN is alluding to may be in fact be the steppes. Once we have the tech to wipe out nomad hordes and have effective long range communication and transportation, using Redshore as our capital since it connects to the various rivers going through steppe territory will be great.

At first glance Redshore seems to be the lesser choice with it being situated on the coast however we have made it explicitly clear we want to surround the NotBlack Sea for a long time now and it eases our access to our WW, future Greenshore colony (MW) and makes it easier to grab the empty Hathyn land. Not only that but we have an actual chokepoint we can use to direct sea traffic as well. We have the wood and good housekeeping to be a major naval power as well. We outnumbered the Hathyn in ships when they went on a big naval build up so casually as well. Besides the HK and lowlands have various rivers going through them that may be accessible from former Hathyn territory the more we explore.

Overall though the work needed to be put in Redshore compared to the benefits doesn't justify putting our Palace in Redshore.
 
As an off the cuff idea, I want it to be in Valleyhome, with at least a storeroom, temple, library, and arsenal.
 
I would personally hit up at least two each of Shrine, Library, and Arsenal, but that's just me, I want to get all the other political power brokers in the palace, not just the admins.
 
Tempted to build one of each, with a double library. We think the integration crisis is unlikely to blow up any time soon, right?
 
Abby Normal said:
I mean, yeah, if we did Redshore, we'd definitely need to make Valleyhome a Free City. Though on that note... @Academia Nut does having a free city also remove the econ slot requirement, or does it just remove the per-turn econ drain/expansion gain?
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Unless you crash past 0, Free Cities maintain their own health and thus the min Econ required is mostly ignored.

tryrar said:
@Academia Nut roughly speaking, would a storehouse in the palace help with the whole command economy thing?
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Sort of. That's for later mechanics though.

10ebbor10 said:
I suggest including a vote to decide how much annexes to add.
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Ehhhh... I can figure out what are popular numbers. Plus this can simulate weird compromises.
 
[X] [Loc] Redshore
[X] Great Hall Expansion
[X] Shrine
[X] Library
[X] Library x2
[X] Gardens
[X] Storehouse
[X] Arsenal
[X] Fortifications
 
ctulhuslp said:
That's fair; to make use of long-term advantages we should first survive until them and all.
That does not, however, mean that those long-term advantages do not exist.



Maybe? I have no idea, honestly.


Aannd update!

To prevent bandwagoning, let's go with
[X] pblur

And discuss each and every option description. Those are fucking important and non-obvious things.
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Oh, I know they exist and don't deny that, but what's the point of those advantages if we have to spend 4-5 turns we don't have to make them worth it?
 
[X] [Loc] Sacred Forest

The forest is practically at the center of our nation with most of the population moving through it.

[X] Great Hall Expansion
[X] Shrine
[X] Library
[X] Gardens
[X] Storehouse
[X] Arsenal
[X] Fortifications

Why not? :3
 
Powerofmind said:
I would personally hit up at least two each of Shrine, Library, and Arsenal, but that's just me, I want to get all the other political power brokers in the palace, not just the admins.
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I would also want a storeroom, since it explicitly helps for administration purposes, probably by having food already available for distribution instead of having to wait for it to come from one place and move to another.
 
10ebbor10 said:
To prevent bandwagoning, let's start with immediatly voting without discussion.
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The point is it's a vote for EVERYTHING, which dilutes bandwagon effects.

My current thought is:
[] [Loc] Redshore

[] Shrine
[] Library
[] Library x2
[] Storehouse

It's quite tempting to add a shrine to that for a full temple. Full Temple + Full Library is probably a synergy.


Also, interestingly, Greenshore is building an aqueduct. I didn't know it could do that...
 
Omegahugger said:
[X] [Loc] Sacred Forest

Trees are our home.
Trees are our heart.
Trees are the roots from which our dominion grows.
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VoidZero said:
[X] [Loc] Sacred Forest

The forest is practically at the center of our nation with most of the population moving through it.
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The trees can tend to themselves. Or well, be tended to by the priests.

It's in Valleyhome all the issues are which the king and his/her administration need to take care of!

Why not? :3
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Because we can't go chasing shinies while we have a tax crisis going on draining our wealth.


My vote would be... if there were one now... which there isn't

[] [Loc] Valleyhome
[][Annex]Library
[][Annex]Library x2
 
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