BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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I think Gygowyn counts as eligible as the first human.
Not sure about our earlier heroes like Bynwyn.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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Not sure about our earlier heroes like Bynwyn.
He was probably made into the god of cow or something.
Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
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Man, nasu breaks the rules all the time. Shit can fly if you say it can, like how there used to be a rule about how moderny peoples couldn't be summoned, but now we've got Thomas Edison around as a furry. Just dig up some pottery and have a miracle of 'omg I'm a historian slash archeological guy and this pot depicting the story of a wild warrior woman just made my brain explode orgasmically' happen. There should still be records addressing older kings lying around somewhere.
Alternatively iirc counter guardians do not play by the same rules and neither does our hypothetical pocverse Throne of Heroes need to.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Pfft!
That's fucking hilarious.
Hah!
Anyway I'll break the tie. Switch-eroonies!
[X][RA] Increase debates to determine the truth (-2 to +2 Religious Authority based on success of debates, potential shift in Spiritual Values)
[X][Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
[X][Low] Force them to follow the spirit of the law (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X][Low] Introduce mill technology to improve their conditions (Teaches water mill to vassal)
[X][High] Extra tribute (+2 Prestige, +2 Wealth, probably completes this turn)
[X][RB] Deploy against Highlanders from Hatvalley
[X][React] Main Improve Annual Festival
[X][City] No
[X][Refugee] Bring in a bit more than usual (-1 Stab, potential further loss, +4-5 Econ)
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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I wonder if we have a Kings List like the ancient Sumerians did?
Is Gwygoytha remembered in our Tally Strata, which exist beneath the Tax Strata?
Scary thought, She could be the Tax Hero.
AHHHHHHHH!
I was thinking something screwed the rule so that Earthlings summoned poc!Earth heroes instead.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Just another verse on the Kalidescope.
That's not even a bad rule break all things told considering some of the things that have happened.
I'd love to see Gwygoytha vs Gilgamesh though. The dialogue would be hilarious.
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An omake idea I am too lazy to write:
The year is 20XX, and Earth is in trouble due to climate change and global warming. Thankfully, a series of portals opened up around the world, giving access to not!Earth.
When Earth began a dialogue with not!Earth, everyone in not!UN said, "Visit the Ymaryn. They will be able to deal with your climate change situation."
And so a diplomatic mission visited Valleyhome, which was by now an acrology, to learn from the Ymaryn who had cultivated a Ymaryn rainforest over the not!FertileCrescent and helped nations around the globe deal with their own climate change before it becomes worse.
The year is 20XX, and Earth is in trouble due to climate change and global warming. Thankfully, a series of portals opened up around the world, giving access to not!Earth.
When Earth began a dialogue with not!Earth, everyone in not!UN said, "Visit the Ymaryn. They will be able to deal with your climate change situation."
And so a diplomatic mission visited Valleyhome, which was by now an acrology, to learn from the Ymaryn who had cultivated a Ymaryn rainforest over the not!FertileCrescent and helped nations around the globe deal with their own climate change before it becomes worse.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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- Anywhere but RL
The thread debate on votes feels like group of drunks driving a car in a thunder storm.
"You are going too fast slow down!"
"I can't slow down the brake is broken."
"Go on the other side of the road, i can heard a truck coming."
"Can you drive around the potholes? The bumps is damaging the undercarriage and making my behind swollen."
"Do we still have gas? I can't find the gas station for next 30 kilometers."
"Are we there yet? There's no food in the car."
"You are going too fast slow down!"
"I can't slow down the brake is broken."
"Go on the other side of the road, i can heard a truck coming."
"Can you drive around the potholes? The bumps is damaging the undercarriage and making my behind swollen."
"Do we still have gas? I can't find the gas station for next 30 kilometers."
"Are we there yet? There's no food in the car."
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
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Citation needed. Or rather, I suppose, a citation that it ends less well than most governments.
We have divine right already. It's basically impossible to not mix them right now.
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? No we don't. We shut that down.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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*surprisinglyaccurate.jpg*
And thus you see the true face of Civilization.
May Crow rest your soul.
We do.
We were shutting down divine patronage. The step after divine right in our system.
This is Ylrulthyn taking the already extant concept of <the gods reveal their support of the human king>(divine right) and expanding that idea to say <The gods when they reveal their support of the mortal king, also reveal the King of the Gods when the mortal king wins> i.e Heavenly Bureaucracy resembles Mortal Bureaucracy.
There is also an earlier idea that the position of King is a sacred one. Might have been an AN WoG.
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BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Do you speak of the tribesman who strung crow feathers in his hair who Ashryn killed?
To be honest we do not. No proof one way or another if this is a low magic setting or a no magic setting.
I mean from one perspective we created Crow as he is today because we took the Hero, Crow the Tribesman, and eventually elevated him through the power and distortion of Mythology into a God. Heroic Deity development. Who then morphed enormously.
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[X] [City] No
Tie ended.
Tie ended.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Tie was broken by me 50 minutes ago.
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We shut down divine patronage, but our rulers still are backed by the gods in the form of the shaman pick.
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Yes but now it will take 2 trouble makers to reset itTie was broken by me 50 minutes ago.
[X] [RA] Increase debates to determine the truth (-2 to +2 Religious Authority based on success of debates, potential shift in Spiritual Values)
[X] [Low] Force them to follow the spirit of the law (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Restrict right to wage war to defensive only (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce mill technology to improve their conditions (Teaches water mill to vassal)
[X] [Low] Send over assistance (Transfer 1 Econ + 1 Martial)
[X] [High] Humiliate (+1 Prestige, completes immediately)
[X] [RB] Deploy to assist vassal against the Swamp Folk
[X] [React] Main Improve Annual Festival
[X] [City] Yes (Transfers 2 Econ + 2 Econ expansion, nulls cost of maintenance for Sacred Forest)
[X] [Refugee] Just those who come of their own initiative (Potential stab loss, +2 Econ)
[X] [Low] Force them to follow the spirit of the law (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Restrict right to wage war to defensive only (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce mill technology to improve their conditions (Teaches water mill to vassal)
[X] [Low] Send over assistance (Transfer 1 Econ + 1 Martial)
[X] [High] Humiliate (+1 Prestige, completes immediately)
[X] [RB] Deploy to assist vassal against the Swamp Folk
[X] [React] Main Improve Annual Festival
[X] [City] Yes (Transfers 2 Econ + 2 Econ expansion, nulls cost of maintenance for Sacred Forest)
[X] [Refugee] Just those who come of their own initiative (Potential stab loss, +2 Econ)
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TheDanishLord
Viking Warlord
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[X] [City] Yes (Transfers 2 Econ + 2 Econ expansion, nulls cost of maintenance for Sacred Forest)
i would love to see the crope hat
i would love to see the crope hat
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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Looks like it's 42:39 in no free city's favor. Truly another soon to be missed opportunity to rise the centralization ceiling. Oh well, fun turn coming up anyway.
We will see if this new group of nomads is going to upset the usual aggression pattern.
We will see if this new group of nomads is going to upset the usual aggression pattern.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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As far as I understand the logic here on a likely progression, inside our particular system:
King is king because he can make people follow him <- We had this for a bit. Ashryn especially was this. What martial kings use to rule, by beating up or threatening to beat up folks. A very simple method and thought about kingship.
King is king because people think he is worthy to lead them. <- This is a big part of what we still have. Our elective kingship.
King is king because people think he is worthy and that the gods think he is worthy. <- What we have now and a form of divine right.
King is king because people think he is worthy, that the gods think he is worthy, and that the gods follow similar practices to mortals with specific gods acting as running-buddies. <- What we could have had with divine patronage.
... Many steps later.
That running-buddy evolves into a Incarnated God-King system where the mortal king is thought to be a rebirth of a God on Earth. <- What we could have or might still develop. Similar to Pharohs and Horus in ancient Egypt.
This progression is way different in other cultures though. E: though thinking about it this progression is kinda misleading, so I will clarify. The second and third steps on the progression were probably simultaneous and synonymous.
Well that pattern has been off for some time, considering the HH. E2: also 42 v 41 in favor of no right now going by NetTally.
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