Paths of Civilization
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No, we really don't. We cut the nomads down by about 2/3 of their forces, and we'll have lost effectively 1/3 of our own.
[X] Tools (+8 Econ, +2 Martial, ???)
[X] Leave things be
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] Yes (+1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, Martial focused character becomes king)
Weapons leaves The People a fail roll from screwed. Restoring order risks a negative fail and lets the military king reformat The People into a nomad like conquering state with bad rolls. Offensive is popular demand and a military leader is what is need to do this.
[X] Leave things be
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] Yes (+1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, Martial focused character becomes king)
Weapons leaves The People a fail roll from screwed. Restoring order risks a negative fail and lets the military king reformat The People into a nomad like conquering state with bad rolls. Offensive is popular demand and a military leader is what is need to do this.
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One, do not mass quote people like that. It is rude
Second of all, going o offensive takes place immediately, as does keeping the current king. They require no time to do as it is staying on the current path
So you think handing him the keys to the kingdom first is a better plan?
That is what the other action is.
Better that then going to Stability -4 from bad admin rolls. We can either get Legitimacy 3 but end up with Stability -3 to 0 (with admin chance of hitting -4 temporarily) or Legitimacy 1 Stability -1 to 1, with a very high probability of Stability 1.
I know which I'd prefer.
Probably mostly the same as in our previous Restore Harmony/Order attempts: blackbirds looking into things, and removing those who disrupt Harmony.
We had 1 econ buffer, we just ate 2 econ loss last turn due to double crits.
10ebbor10
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We slaughtered 66% of the nomads, while we had 8 martial. Now we have 5 Martial, which is 50% of our original force.
So, even if we do not resupply, we're still stronger now than we were before.
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Please, I understand the desire to go Weapons.
But tools is much better.
1. We're at famine now
2. We don't want to fight on empty stomachs
3. We don't want people to complain that they're hungry and drop us more Stab
4. Tools can make better weapons
5. We already convert 1 Econ to 2 Martial.
6. After this, I won't be surprised if we can convert 1 Econ to 3! martial.
Our non-Iron weapons already killed 2/3 of their army, all that we engaged.
The issue is... we just need to engage the other 1/3.
If we can kill 100% that we engage at 2/3 size, we can kill 100% at 1/3 size no issue.
So... we have good enough Martial, and have Famine on our hands. So Tools please.
But tools is much better.
1. We're at famine now
2. We don't want to fight on empty stomachs
3. We don't want people to complain that they're hungry and drop us more Stab
4. Tools can make better weapons
5. We already convert 1 Econ to 2 Martial.
6. After this, I won't be surprised if we can convert 1 Econ to 3! martial.
Our non-Iron weapons already killed 2/3 of their army, all that we engaged.
The issue is... we just need to engage the other 1/3.
If we can kill 100% that we engage at 2/3 size, we can kill 100% at 1/3 size no issue.
So... we have good enough Martial, and have Famine on our hands. So Tools please.
10ebbor10
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A peacefull transition is better than a civil war.
Or, we could simply produce tools, not weapons.
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[X] Tools (+8 Econ, +2 Martial, ???)
[X] Restore order (Main usage)
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] No (-1 Stability, +1 Legitimacy)
Okay, changing, nice and steady. Let's start the "Landgrab" protocol them. With iron tools it will be easir to populate the steps with impunity.
[X] Restore order (Main usage)
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] No (-1 Stability, +1 Legitimacy)
Okay, changing, nice and steady. Let's start the "Landgrab" protocol them. With iron tools it will be easir to populate the steps with impunity.
Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
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Offense was kind of a mistake, and now we are stuck with it.
It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad.
It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad.
Anyway,
[x] Tools (+8 Econ, +2 Martial, ???)
[x] Leave things be
[x] Defensive (-1 Stability)
[x] Yes (+1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, Martial focused character becomes king)
I think we can recover from putting a military expert in for the defense of the people, and this doesn't result in us trying (and inevitably failing) to conquer the steppes. We'll still need to be pushing stability and legitimacy up ASAP next turn.
[x] Tools (+8 Econ, +2 Martial, ???)
[x] Leave things be
[x] Defensive (-1 Stability)
[x] Yes (+1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, Martial focused character becomes king)
I think we can recover from putting a military expert in for the defense of the people, and this doesn't result in us trying (and inevitably failing) to conquer the steppes. We'll still need to be pushing stability and legitimacy up ASAP next turn.
Abby Normal
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Diplo 13 (+2) [+1] -> 14 [+1]
As expectd, with 2 overflow going to art.
Econ 4 (+1) -> -1
-4 from mine, then -2 from nomad crits...
Martial 10 -> 5 (+1)
Lost 5 martial to casualties in the fighting, but are gaining 1 either end of turn or next turn, from experience presumably
Stability down 2, one from the mine, one from the econ loss
Art gained 2 from diplo overflow
Prestige lost 1 from our non-march provinces getting ransacked
This is the only gain in technology, so iron tech wont be added until we make our choice this turn...
So either way we should be safe from another econ hit taking us to lower stability, good...
Again, this isn't how it works. If we don't pass an admin roll we will break if we take restore order and any -1 stab option, no matter what positive stab options we take.
That's fair; i wanted to make sure people knew before the bandwagon hit
And no, thats not how it works. the only things that take place immediately are ones that say "immediate stability", like some of the options we've had during the Doom Comet. Otherwise its always admin checks...
@Academia Nut can you put a note about that rule in the update, people keep forgetting how it works D=
10ebbor10
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People, don't forget.
If you pick :
you run the risk of blowing up our entire civilization.
Restore Order lowers stability by 1 before applying a bonus.
That means that No + Restore order lowers Stability to -4, which is destruction.
If you pick :
you run the risk of blowing up our entire civilization.
Restore Order lowers stability by 1 before applying a bonus.
That means that No + Restore order lowers Stability to -4, which is destruction.
We decided to gamble. It just so happened that it didn't end up working out for us.
Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
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[X] Tools (+8 Econ, +2 Martial, ???)
[X] Leave things be
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] No (-1 Stability, +1 Legitimacy)
Why are people voting to break everything?
[X] Leave things be
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] No (-1 Stability, +1 Legitimacy)
Why are people voting to break everything?
That doesn't really work. They could lead The People on a wild goose chase and easily get away. The nomad heroes made themselves look awesome and ran off with The People's stuff. Its not even in their best interest to stick around. The People just broke several tribes and now their lands and women are up for grabs. Profit and ego say its time for them to go 'YOINK and Away!'
I figure The People vent and then work out how to do things better. If they go tools. If they go weapons its going to change society for the warrior cult.
Because most people don't care to think.
[] Tools (+8 Econ, +2 Martial, ???)
[] Offensive (+1 Stability)
The above, I believe is a must. I've already argued for tools. Our martial is good enough, so long we can catch them.
For the below... I'm ambivalent
[] Restore order (Main usage)
I do see that Restore Order is risky. But we'd probably gain? And it's a free Main It necessitates the below tho.
[] Yes (+1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, Martial focused character becomes king)
Since Yes doesn't have a ???, I can kinda accept it? I don't want to set precedence to kick out our King during War tho...
[X] Tools (+8 Econ, +2 Martial, ???)
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] Restore order (Main usage)
[X] Yes (+1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, Martial focused character becomes king)
[] Offensive (+1 Stability)
The above, I believe is a must. I've already argued for tools. Our martial is good enough, so long we can catch them.
For the below... I'm ambivalent
[] Restore order (Main usage)
I do see that Restore Order is risky. But we'd probably gain? And it's a free Main It necessitates the below tho.
[] Yes (+1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, Martial focused character becomes king)
Since Yes doesn't have a ???, I can kinda accept it? I don't want to set precedence to kick out our King during War tho...
[X] Tools (+8 Econ, +2 Martial, ???)
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] Restore order (Main usage)
[X] Yes (+1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, Martial focused character becomes king)