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- Actually pretty lost
Changing my War Missions vote to Proclaim Glory then.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
If it makes you feel better northern blackriver is likely to be in the middle of the river and on the opposite side of ST from where the nomads are attacking. On the other hand, though, leaving expansion on will likely mean that we'll be doing a main Expand Forest during the attack. Something to consider. (Aka don't leave it on expansion, no one wants to, why did you bring this up)
lol.
I'm sending a war mission, and yes we can. The ST have a shitton of walls. Your emotional opposition and accusation of cowardice only settle me further in my vote.
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Because acupuncture works...for pain relief. Like the update says.
Its only quackery when people treat an early painkiller as an all cure, which was said for pretty much every drug at some point
Just to be sure people are aware-
Policy Defense with the Iron Mine means that the provinces take 4x Expand Economy.
Policy Offense means 3x [Main] War Missions.
Not switching means that we'll probably grab 2 [Main] new settlements and take an Expand Economy.
Adding in a secondary of our own thus just adds a secondary, no combining.
Policy Defense with the Iron Mine means that the provinces take 4x Expand Economy.
Policy Offense means 3x [Main] War Missions.
Not switching means that we'll probably grab 2 [Main] new settlements and take an Expand Economy.
The question is if it's in territory that's already behind the March's defense lines.
Actually, in retrospect Offensive policy is already doing 3 mains, since they'll have to do 2x [Main] War Mission with their 4 available actions, so The Law will double a [Main] already.
Adding in a secondary of our own thus just adds a secondary, no combining.
Almost certainly not. We'll be too low on econ for them to take an Expand Forest.
- Location
- United States
No, 1 secondary can only be boosted once. Our secondary can be used to boost another province secondary (producing a main).
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Are you sure you want to launch 3x [Main] War Missions at the nomads when they're being controlled by 2 different heroic generals?
[Main] Bleeding Cliffs
[Secondary] Eastern Redhills -> Doubled by The Law into a [Main]
[Secondary] Western Blackriver
4 actions naturally.
Offensive Policy:
[Main] War Mission
[Main] War Mission
4 actions. One of them is doubled.
[X] [Main] Build Iron Mine
[X] [Secondary] Expand Economy
[X] [Secondary] Study Health
[X] Change Policy - Offense
Let's introduce mister nomad hero to the wonders of iron.
[X] [Secondary] Expand Economy
[X] [Secondary] Study Health
[X] Change Policy - Offense
Let's introduce mister nomad hero to the wonders of iron.
- Location
- United States
Ah, totally missed that. Huh.
Edit: @Academia Nut If we switch to offensive policy and don't do a secondary war mission, what will our province's actions look like?
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- Staring into the void
This is early Psychosomatic treatment, and can still have limited usefulness for treating the mind, even if it does nothing for the body.
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Katsuragi
The 1%
[X] [Main] Build Iron Mine
[X] [Secondary] Study Health
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Northern Nomads
So those crazy fucking forest people that can place a geas on their entire populatio?
They just fucked us up with such a quanity of star metal that common soldiers were welding it.
They truly are chosen by the gods.
[X] [Secondary] Study Health
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Northern Nomads
So those crazy fucking forest people that can place a geas on their entire populatio?
They just fucked us up with such a quanity of star metal that common soldiers were welding it.
They truly are chosen by the gods.
Are you sure you want to let an army lead by two heroic generals rampage through our lands unopposed?
A reminder:
[X] [Main] Build Iron Mine
[X] [Secondary] Study Health
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Northern Nomads
[X] Change Policy - Offense
[X] [Secondary] Study Health
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Northern Nomads
[X] Change Policy - Offense
- Location
- his hidden lair
Except the TS got eroded from a better position last time and the downside of quality is that when we lose martial we lose a lot. That means the TS might have a very strong showing, but they don't have a means of dealing with attrition.
And the walls don't matter in the strategy the Nomads are pursuing. All they care about is crushing the ST's armies so they can sack the coastal cities. If they can feasibly envelop the various Stallion Tribe settlements (which if they knock their martial low enough they can) then they'll simply march past to raze our coastal ports.
That's why contesting them in the field, or at least sending a large army north is so important, so even in the event of siege they can't split their forces enough to press southwards.
Edit: I also don't get this aversion to fighting heroic generals- yeah, it fucking sucks but letting a heroic general operate mostly uncontested gives you shit like Alexander after Gaugamela. You need to constantly hammer away at them or utilize some other means of attriting their forces away.
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Iron won't be in widespread use until after the mid-turn, after all the war missions have taken effect. We'll probably get a decision point then.
I want to kill the nomads too, but switching to Offense now will just chew up our warriors right before we get the big Iron boost.
The ST will survive for a little, and I'd rather be in the best condition we can be in case it costs us even more econ to outfit new iron troops or something similar. Or if they do run into trouble, so we can Support them without hitting our own problems.
But yeah, I'm not totally opposed to Offense policy. My vote for that would be
[] [Main] Build Iron Mine
[] [Secondary] Study Health
[] [Secondary] Study Stars or Expand Economy
[] Change Policy - Offense
Sending in our own [Secondary] War mission when we're already changing to Policy - Offense doesn't really make sense IMO.
I went with economy; we're going to want extra next turn for recovery, one way or another.
- Location
- Canada
We are going to have two mid turns decisions dealing with the Iron Mine and the war mission next turn. Since we expanded our Carrion Eaters their flavour text changed meaning they won't be as effective until the war is in full swing and our injured rise in number. Although the better option would be to expand warriors and chariots I'll be open to expanding our boats with along with a support periphery state for the synergy. If we focus on the nomads for the next few turns we should also establish that new March when their is a lull in the fighting.
[X] [Main] Build Iron Mine
[X] [Secondary] Salt Gift
[X] [Secondary] Salt Gift x2
Fighting two martial nomad heroes seems appropriately stupid given the advantages they possess, instead we should focus on what settled civilizations are good at and was arguably the most successful strategy for millennia and that's buying them off. Or in this case, attempting to gift them off.
Thus I've gone with a main action salt gift as I consider it far more likely to be effective than fighting against military heroes, it suits our civilizations bonuses with the various luxuries we have, and it's an incredibly effective strategy given human social conventions. It's also more resource efficient as we can gain back what we spend, while as actually fighting the nomads even if they lose more given the nature of their society they'll just bounce back while we'll need actions to recover. A Salt Gift works wonders if we can delay the fighting until one (or both) heroes die, or we can redirect them to attack others such as those vile Thunder Speakers which has the fantastic benefit of potentially bringing in the Eastern Thunder Horses. It was noted that there is a pass from the nomad territory through the previous Spirit Talkers territory after all, and was one the Thunder Horses themselves used.
If we can engender such a conflict, it would be worth a staggering amount given both are threats to us.
Main Iron Mine so that we can get the benefits of it ASAP, from tools to weapons. If we do come to conflict, we should at least be starting to get iron weapons into usage by the mid turn. It also means we go to negative 1 stability, which means we can restore order next turn.
[X] [Secondary] Salt Gift
[X] [Secondary] Salt Gift x2
Fighting two martial nomad heroes seems appropriately stupid given the advantages they possess, instead we should focus on what settled civilizations are good at and was arguably the most successful strategy for millennia and that's buying them off. Or in this case, attempting to gift them off.
Thus I've gone with a main action salt gift as I consider it far more likely to be effective than fighting against military heroes, it suits our civilizations bonuses with the various luxuries we have, and it's an incredibly effective strategy given human social conventions. It's also more resource efficient as we can gain back what we spend, while as actually fighting the nomads even if they lose more given the nature of their society they'll just bounce back while we'll need actions to recover. A Salt Gift works wonders if we can delay the fighting until one (or both) heroes die, or we can redirect them to attack others such as those vile Thunder Speakers which has the fantastic benefit of potentially bringing in the Eastern Thunder Horses. It was noted that there is a pass from the nomad territory through the previous Spirit Talkers territory after all, and was one the Thunder Horses themselves used.
If we can engender such a conflict, it would be worth a staggering amount given both are threats to us.
Main Iron Mine so that we can get the benefits of it ASAP, from tools to weapons. If we do come to conflict, we should at least be starting to get iron weapons into usage by the mid turn. It also means we go to negative 1 stability, which means we can restore order next turn.
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ABalloonyChaos
Drifts wherever the wind may take me.
- Location
- USA, up in the air.
I am not going to vote right away because I have no idea what to do besides Change Policy - Offense and War Mission - Northern Nomads. The main contenders right now seem to be Build Iron Mine, Study Health, and Proclaim Glory. I think the Iron Mine is to costly right now and as far as I know it won't immediately improve or weapons in time. Also Proclaim Glory is getting a bit overused and Enforce law with S: 0 to 1 Stability, +1-3 Centralization is tempting to try.
Some idea I had.
[] [Main] Black Soil or Study Health
[] [Secondary] Enforce Law
[] [Secondary] War Mission - Northern Nomads
Some idea I had.
[] [Main] Black Soil or Study Health
[] [Secondary] Enforce Law
[] [Secondary] War Mission - Northern Nomads
You only need one of the two.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
a main iron mine is explicitly going to have an effect in the midturn.