Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
That's going to be a dozy for historians.
- Location
- Huezil
@Umi-san splitting is bad, or we focus on the nomads or on the Crazy Horses, and retreating to deal with the nomads will create a anvil to the hammer of the Crazy Horses, so keep them pushing, because the nomads won't attack the rearguard of the Stallions because they are interested into plunder.
- Location
- Canada
[X] [Honour] Overwhelming Numbers
[X] [Mystic] Overturn superstition (-10 Mysticism, -1 Stability)
[X] [Goal] Degrade sphere of influence (Hardest, +1 Prestige, pleases allies)
[X] Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers
Like Joseph Stalin said "Quantity is a quality of its own". If we are going to be attacked from two fronts and are aiming to reduce thier sphere of influence and increase ours we need a large army over a small well trained army. Think of Mao managing to stall the West and create NK by his sheer numbers alone. Let's leverage our biggest strength, our high population into an offense.
[X] [Mystic] Overturn superstition (-10 Mysticism, -1 Stability)
[X] [Goal] Degrade sphere of influence (Hardest, +1 Prestige, pleases allies)
[X] Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers
Like Joseph Stalin said "Quantity is a quality of its own". If we are going to be attacked from two fronts and are aiming to reduce thier sphere of influence and increase ours we need a large army over a small well trained army. Think of Mao managing to stall the West and create NK by his sheer numbers alone. Let's leverage our biggest strength, our high population into an offense.
I kind of want to evolve observation, hopefully into something less prone to fits of stupidity.
- Location
- California
Hmm. Hey @Academia Nut, do we pick which Value evolves, or will it be random?
Also, will our regular Warriors still be fighting against the Northern Nomads if we pick Focus on the TS? Or will we just be letting them run roughshod over the northern provinces?
Also, will our regular Warriors still be fighting against the Northern Nomads if we pick Focus on the TS? Or will we just be letting them run roughshod over the northern provinces?
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
Any likelihood that we'll solve the cause rather than a symptom is an overall improvement. We're currently acquiring a satisfactory level of tools from trade + our still ongoing mine, so it's not like we need and can take immediate advantage of the new ability to do metal actions.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
And think of Thermopylae and Alexanders Campaigns through Asia.
- Location
- From the moon
Library...Library..*grrk* all the books every where all the time..books~ *foams at the mouth*
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- Location
- Simi Valley, CA, United States
The thing you quoted actually shows that his relationship with his "mothers" actually had weight to it and he actually wants to marry one (or more) of them after this mother passes.
Honestly, the fact he didn't want to take care of the babies when he was younger was more damning...
[X] [Honour] Quality training
[X] [Mystic] Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism)
[X] [Goal] Humiliate (Hard, +1 Prestige)
[X] [Stallions] Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers
We want really effective soldiers more than high numbers right now, and our social traits already promote a loyal military even if that is not their main focus. We have ninjas and medic priests, if we combine that with high quality infantry/archers we can make excellent commando squads that suit our forested terrain well. This is pretty close to how we've seen our people treat fighting anyway so its more like a +1 instead of switching tech trees.
Mystic choice speaks for itself
Now my reasoning for picking a focus on the Thunder Speakers... The two provinces that are at risk of being raided are well defended by walls and watchtowers any raiding efforts they suffer under are going to be severely mitigated by the defenses we have in place. What I want is for the Thunder speakers to never try and pull this again, and to demonstrate to the surrounding civs that we aren't myths or pushovers. If we get a good combination here with 'Humiliate' there seems to be a fairly decent chance of us being able to get some more lowland influence without going for the hardest option.
Everybody but the suicidal Northern Raiders who literally can't do anything else to survive is going to want to think twice, and then think two more times before picking a bone with us.
[X] [Mystic] Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism)
[X] [Goal] Humiliate (Hard, +1 Prestige)
[X] [Stallions] Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers
We want really effective soldiers more than high numbers right now, and our social traits already promote a loyal military even if that is not their main focus. We have ninjas and medic priests, if we combine that with high quality infantry/archers we can make excellent commando squads that suit our forested terrain well. This is pretty close to how we've seen our people treat fighting anyway so its more like a +1 instead of switching tech trees.
Mystic choice speaks for itself
Now my reasoning for picking a focus on the Thunder Speakers... The two provinces that are at risk of being raided are well defended by walls and watchtowers any raiding efforts they suffer under are going to be severely mitigated by the defenses we have in place. What I want is for the Thunder speakers to never try and pull this again, and to demonstrate to the surrounding civs that we aren't myths or pushovers. If we get a good combination here with 'Humiliate' there seems to be a fairly decent chance of us being able to get some more lowland influence without going for the hardest option.
Everybody but the suicidal Northern Raiders who literally can't do anything else to survive is going to want to think twice, and then think two more times before picking a bone with us.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
He was a young immature kid, probably in his teenage years and not ready for being a father.
He grew out of it but it's more than understandable
[X] Overwhelming numbers
[X] [Mystic] Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism)
[X] [Goal] Degrade sphere of influence (Hardest, +1 Prestige, pleases allies)
[X] [Stallions] Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers
We've actually got the makings of a monster of logistics- organization, food, supplies, planning, we've got everything we need to field armies of a size that none of our neighbors would find conceivable.
I know people want to be an 'all-rounder', but the prospect of a permanent honour trait that enhances our already insane logistics ability is much, much better than anything else I see possible.
We can be the professionals that study what's really important to win wars and the subsequent occupation of territory while the bigger polities are studying strategy and the half-assed tribals are studying tactics.
[X] [Mystic] Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism)
[X] [Goal] Degrade sphere of influence (Hardest, +1 Prestige, pleases allies)
[X] [Stallions] Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers
We've actually got the makings of a monster of logistics- organization, food, supplies, planning, we've got everything we need to field armies of a size that none of our neighbors would find conceivable.
I know people want to be an 'all-rounder', but the prospect of a permanent honour trait that enhances our already insane logistics ability is much, much better than anything else I see possible.
We can be the professionals that study what's really important to win wars and the subsequent occupation of territory while the bigger polities are studying strategy and the half-assed tribals are studying tactics.
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ABalloonyChaos
Drifts wherever the wind may take me.
- Location
- USA, up in the air.
What to do this turn?my gut feelings
[] Quality training
Mass quality is better than small elites or untrained Overwhelming numbers in my opinion
[] Temper superstition (-5 Mysticism)
[] Expand spiritual value slots (-7 Mysticism)
Can we do both? we do have enough Mysticism for both and still have 2 left over.
[] Humiliate (Hard, +1 Prestige)
I am tired of worrying about how effective our military is. let us try set a high goal and not be wimps afraid to make any mistakes.
[] Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers
tough choice. I think the northern settlements are well defended right? so it should be ok?
[] Quality training
Mass quality is better than small elites or untrained Overwhelming numbers in my opinion
[] Temper superstition (-5 Mysticism)
[] Expand spiritual value slots (-7 Mysticism)
Can we do both? we do have enough Mysticism for both and still have 2 left over.
[] Humiliate (Hard, +1 Prestige)
I am tired of worrying about how effective our military is. let us try set a high goal and not be wimps afraid to make any mistakes.
[] Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers
tough choice. I think the northern settlements are well defended right? so it should be ok?
- Location
- Huezil
EUROPA UNIVERSALIS!!!
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
Please label your votes and maintain consistency w/ your X capitalization and bolded/not.
[X] [Honour] Quality training
[X] [Mystic] Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism)
[X] [Goal] Humiliate (Hard, +1 Prestige)
[X] [Stallions] Split efforts between Thunder Speakers and nomads
Confirming my vote for the Mystic evolution and removing bold tags.
@Academia Nut
For the tally, it might be better if you apply the tag to all the options so that we can just copy&paste the whole line we want to vote for.
How intense do the nomad raids on the Stallion Tribes appear to be? Does the War Advisor think they'll mostly bounce off the walls if not directly fought against?
[X] [Mystic] Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism)
[X] [Goal] Humiliate (Hard, +1 Prestige)
[X] [Stallions] Split efforts between Thunder Speakers and nomads
Confirming my vote for the Mystic evolution and removing bold tags.
@Academia Nut
For the tally, it might be better if you apply the tag to all the options so that we can just copy&paste the whole line we want to vote for.
How intense do the nomad raids on the Stallion Tribes appear to be? Does the War Advisor think they'll mostly bounce off the walls if not directly fought against?
Agreed, I was leaning towards it too (and have now voted for it). I wanted to make sure that you were aware that the chances of solving the problem directly were fairly low.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
New Model Army
Red Coats
Marian Legions
Hoplite Phalanx's
Macedonian Pikemen
Hannibal's Expedition
WW1 Stormtroopers
Basically looking at history the most elite armies can often work the best.