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Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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The vote itself says the heir would become our son automatically.
There's your undisputed
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I mean, yeah. They'll definitely notice. Look at our last heroic admin. She knew exactly what the biggest problems in our society were and took all the right steps in countering them.
The outward effects of a hypercompetent leader are impossible not to notice, even in our more remote provinces. They'll notice that they're getting all the supplies they need, that their concerns are being addressed, etc.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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with our support
where is the undisputed in this?
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Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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How are they misleading people? I am responding to the misleading claims of others.
That is irrelevant.
Edit: Also, btw, the nepotism from earlier wasn't referring to this particular case, but rather to the idea that not opposing the idea of nepotism is thus supporting nepotism. It probably is still nepotism in this case, however: regardless of how good he is, his victory is not assured unless his mother uses her sway over the council to support him.
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The other candidate is average, plain old Joe.
Our son is so good that people would find it weird that we didn't instantly endorse him and can find nothing wrong with him.
Took the words right out of my mouth
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Ahha, found it, thanks Bungie for pointing the way. Here's what he said:
So I think you conflated a couple of things Kiba. He never said that "stabbing your brother and your wife because you caught them sleeping together" is enough to downgrade punishment for the murder, just that it does happen. Not surprising; although The People's culture isn't strictly monogamous and clearly doesn't care about young people messing around, people are still going to be jealous. Fighting words, on the other hand, ARE written into the law to be mitigating.
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Umi-san, I honestly don't know how I could make this more clear.
They've already singled him out as the most qualified candidate--all on his own merits.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
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[X] Send an envoy to request the Thunder Speakers rein in youths (-2 Diplomacy, chance of TS king actually complying, small chance of triggering war)
[x] Support son (chance of -1 Legitimacy, heir becomes Yehlmyn [Mediocre Martial, Good Diplomacy, Heroic Admin])
Yeesh. I don't have the eneregy to fight the anti-heredity fanatics again right now. GL y'all!
[x] Support son (chance of -1 Legitimacy, heir becomes Yehlmyn [Mediocre Martial, Good Diplomacy, Heroic Admin])
Yeesh. I don't have the eneregy to fight the anti-heredity fanatics again right now. GL y'all!
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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[X] Send an envoy to request the Thunder Speakers rein in youths (-2 Diplomacy, chance of TS king actually complying, small chance of triggering war)
[x] Support son (chance of -1 Legitimacy, heir becomes Yehlmyn [Mediocre Martial, Good Diplomacy, Heroic Admin])
[x] Support son (chance of -1 Legitimacy, heir becomes Yehlmyn [Mediocre Martial, Good Diplomacy, Heroic Admin])
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@Umi-san I hate to say this but a lot of people are getting very annoyed at what seems to be you either missing the point repeatedly or actively trolling
Please stop.
this, for example, is making me think you may just be trying to get a rise out of us to discredit our arguments.
Please stop.
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
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People seem to be confusing nepotism and using family networks. One is the hiring of family members first and foremost solely duo to them being family. The other is using family connections to find suitable employment with it being a given that he can adequately perform.
The first is seen as bad. The second is fucking normal and exists universaly and up to this day.
The first is seen as bad. The second is fucking normal and exists universaly and up to this day.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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And also noted that the only reason why she wouldn't support him is that he's her son.
Umi-san, I honestly don't know how I could make this more clear.
They've already singled him out as the most qualified candidate--all on his own merits.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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Please stop saying things that inherently* true and offering unsatisfactory quotes as support. This has been resolved by Duesal's shifted emphasis; not by you.
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Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
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That's her personal reason for not endorsing... but other perceive it as there being something wrong with him despite it not being the case.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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I agree, it's simply an interesting point in AN's response.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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I guess take comfort in the idea that your vote is winning?
I dunno if it's even worth it to think that way, because oooooh boooooy this is getting slimy in here.
*walks right the frack out again*
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Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
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Yea it indicates that he IS the best candidate that the only reason he would lose is his own mother discrediting him.
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They won't know that. They'll assume that there must be something else wrong with him, probably something really bad if it cancels out his administrative skills. They'll trust the judgement of their king and name someone else the heir.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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k*
I mean... it literally says it in your* quote, which is why I pointed it out.
But I am inclined to say that there is a chance that they will take his mother's lack of support on faith as an indication of a deep-rooted internal flaw rather than her attempting to maintain neutrality. This is all dependent on a die-roll, after all.
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Ah, misread your post...my bad.
However, he is undisputed the best guy for the job.
Again, not supporting him actively hurts his chances. Not because we're not providing him with our support-bonus, but because the lack of support would actively cause people to invent possible faults in his character that are non-existent. Like unintentionally spreading propaganda.
Not supporting him creates the roll that gives him a 30-40% chance of becoming king. His chances being low aren't because he's not good enough (he's a hero admin with no serious negative attributes), but because the roll is random and independent of his actual abilities...basically, not supporting him carries an automatic 60-70% chance of taking him out of the running.
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The 'misleading claims of others' are backed up by quotes and facts mate.
I'm just getting annoyed with how constantly disingenuous you're being. And the lack of sleep
Also Duesal had to try very hard to make things clearer to you for you, only for you to then reveal that you already had knowledge of the subject and understanding, having an example Duesal didn't have ready.
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