Paths of Civilization
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VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Financial incentive for it's production. Like quota and flat tax we have. The more people get to keep, the better they try to compete in producing value; be it through quality or quantity.
Or more outside contact, that tend to spur imagination.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
K so, going off what AN said both originally and in reply:
They tend to end up with:
1) a population
a) lacking most of its adult males
b) in need of resettlement
and
2) the social structures to support large numbers of children as a group
So basically we lack resettlement options, and settle new places w/ young men who don't have wives rather than adult men who do have wives and aren't immature. The lack of opportunities or focus of work results in people like the Young Stallions and an increasingly toxic, possibly macho environment, which possibly speeds up chauvinistic tendencies as men desperately try to court women but fail because they have nothing to offer, because they don't have other activities to direct themselves at, creating a cycle where they feel sadder and try harder and fail. Kk. Good to know we can support large numbers of children tho.
Short term solution is making more provinces. Long term solution is putting more $ into trade, shamans, and the arts so that non- land/violence-based work becomes more viable as a career.
They tend to end up with:
1) a population
a) lacking most of its adult males
b) in need of resettlement
and
2) the social structures to support large numbers of children as a group
So basically we lack resettlement options, and settle new places w/ young men who don't have wives rather than adult men who do have wives and aren't immature. The lack of opportunities or focus of work results in people like the Young Stallions and an increasingly toxic, possibly macho environment, which possibly speeds up chauvinistic tendencies as men desperately try to court women but fail because they have nothing to offer, because they don't have other activities to direct themselves at, creating a cycle where they feel sadder and try harder and fail. Kk. Good to know we can support large numbers of children tho.
Short term solution is making more provinces. Long term solution is putting more $ into trade, shamans, and the arts so that non- land/violence-based work becomes more viable as a career.
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I agree. And if slave castes or hereditary slavery actually became a thing, I'd then be willing to cause a crisis to deal with them. As things stand, we explicitly don't have either of those literally, and while we are inching towards that in some areas in some ways, I think that we will have opportunities to resolve that social problem in a more measured and controllable way. Part of the problem as I see it is we have no true frontier- a lot of these issues of class divide pop up when population pressure becomes an issue and there's nowhere for people to go. The March really didn't solve that because it's full of former nomad dickheads, but I'm hoping that a decent expansionist push will partially solve the problematic nature of some of these issues in the short term.
What we're really talking about to solve issues like this are social values, probably very highly evolved social values based on Protective Justice. Trait evolution is a long-term work in progress but I think it's the realistic solution rather than hoping to just 'fix' things with a big gesture like trying to force chiefs to shovel shit or declaring all half-exiles to be made full citizens.
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- Location
- Canada
Since we have a conservative faction it's time they evolved into a neoconservative faction and create casus belli, something along the lines of "The Highlanders have weapons of mass deforestation and are coming for our trees!!!".
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
We're going to have levels of importance and power by nature of the advancement pyramid; a large number of menial workers support a smaller number of middle workers support a smaller group of managers support the smallest group of actual leadership. Eventually, somewhere, someone has to do shitty menial work for the pyramid to work. I just want to ensure that social mobility is still a thing, even among the formerly criminal or unfortunately born.
By order of importance, I would like to ensure these social values are retained through the ages;
Social Mobility > Merit-based Advancement (clarification: even if merit-based advancement falls apart, I would like to ensure people are still able to be socially mobile, even if merit is the preferred vehicle) > Environmental Stewardship > State Property > Communal Values
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
An experimental idea, probably wrong on different levels.
Shaman education for all children and both the child' parents with shaman held accountable to any crimes.
- Separation of half exiles' children and have them adopted by wealthy people in other provinces.
- Add a clause demanding wealthy people to educate the children and ensure they have good job
- Allow said children to resettle their half exile parents.
Shaman education for all children and both the child' parents with shaman held accountable to any crimes.
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- Pronouns
- He/Him
They don't get sad, they get extremely violent. Like, holy shit violent, especially when their social models are "Well, dad shanked mom's father and first husband to get her, seems like a successful strategy", which also drives social isolation as people go "Oh crap, there's a large group of young men over there, better kill them before they kill us. Also, we'll take their stuff while we're at it..."
Also, while remarkably peaceful compared to their neighbours, overall the People would still remark upon the low murder rates of Flint, MI.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
You joke, but starting a massive forest fire probably would be sufficient cause
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
Wait, what? Do we have people who murdered other people to acquire wives only in The Stallion Tribes or literally throughout all of the People? How is murder occurring and not being punished? Or are we attacking other people and stealing their wives/daughters?
Or are you talking about other people taking this approach?
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- Location
- Canada
Which is why it's perfect! Although seriously a glut of angry young men is always troublesome and if we aren't locking them up in mass jails then it's time for massive and rapid expansions.
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
The fuck is this 0.48 rate per 1,000 people of murders? Places this violent still exist?
FFS, they only reported 47 murders, that means in a town with like 100 people, half of them killed the other half?!
- Pronouns
- He/Him
It (mostly) gets punished, but even among the People there tends to be a lot of 'moment of passion' type violence. Stabbing your brother and your wife because you caught them sleeping together is something that happens, or getting into an argument over a cow and throwing a punch that lands harder than you thought. Also, there are a lot of 'mysterious disappearances' that are blamed on animals or bad weather but are straight up luring someone into an isolated area and killing them out of greed or jealousy or what have you.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
In short, shite got real too real too quickly.
Ah social problems resulting in murder instead of internet flame war.
I dunno. I think it's a combination of automation and video games/free internet pornography. There really isn't a good solution, but at least until recently we could hope that a combination of hopelessness and opioids would keep them quiet until they were past the danger age and could be safely ignored. Unfortunately, they seem to have remembered that they can vote.
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
Oh, my idea light is on again.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Just don't attract the mod with that light. No one wants to be pecked by a bird while chained to a rock.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Also, as a note, it is written into the law that if you can get witnesses to testify that someone called you a coward right before a fight, that is sufficiently mitigating to downgrade punishment from execution or exile to half-exile, and potentially even entirely mitigating punishment if sufficiently egregious, because calling someone a coward in their environment is basically saying "You'll just sit there and let your family die if something goes wrong". While not nearly as macho and honour culture as the nomads or Highlanders, there is an extensive list of fighting words, as well as breaches of etiquette that can result in fights due to the fact that they are seen as insults to the spirits, so committing these breaches is seen of as a form of assault, because you are endangering the well being of those around you.
- Location
- madison
And lo, did the people write into scared law, "talk shit, get hit".
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
We don't have remotely close to enough centralization to pull that off, or social progress and abstract thinking to motivate and design it.
- Location
- Panama City
on a different note, @Academia Nut since voting has died down any eta on next update?
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- He/Him
Might as well lock in and start writing...
[X] Carefully study them for their mysteries
[X] [Main] Study Metal
[X] [Secondary] Study Health
[X] [Secondary] Survey Lands
You would be amazed how often that phrase could be boiled out of pre-modern law principles.
Remember, the thread voted against human sacrifice.
Hopefully we'll get a chance to develop eunuchs and complete the elven stereotype bingo card while setting the stage for developing this synchronous polity of communists into a true human hive coalescence.
- Location
- Las Islas Filipinas
Then we prepare for it. Education would be the easiest to begin, but we would need to advance some more before we can get it properly started
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
We're looking at a millenium of progress before that's feasible at our accelerated rate. Something like 7-8 millenia in real history. We have WAY bigger fish to fry than prepping for that.