I highly doubt it. We can roll up with literal tons of salt- and basically lower our sunglasses and ask the HK where an upstanding gentleman can go to get some drugs around here.
I think that maps political borders are way out of date.
Are you sure we can kick an action that we don't personally select?
No, we have word of god they havent met. Read thie discussion.
We would have to be trading with them first if we want better returns.
Them, maybe not. Them against the Xohyssiri? Very likely
The point of trade is that helps reduce the chance of fighting. They already know that we will cut off trade rather than be dragged in. As is, we are very likely to be dragged in because we are trading with the Xohyssiri and they would not look favorably on us.
We would need to have good relations first too even get to see the King.
....the ETH are southeast of the WTH, who are slightly southish of us while being pretty far east(remember they're where the old ST place was, about 8 months round trip). This means the ETH has to not only go through the WTH territory but OUR territory to get to the MW (who are so far northwest of us we need to go by boat to even reach them, remember). Simple Geography dictates they have no clue of the MW's existance. Plus AN confirmed there's metalworkers to the far east who are where they're getting their bronze.
That is not Bronze... that is Brass. Bronze is more brown that copper. Brass is more yellowy gold than copper.
Not much difference really, in ancient times there were such things a brass weapons IIRC
IIRC we gave back the DP medical priests during the trade mission.
As far as far as The People are concerned that is pretty much true. New fangled metal is an upgrade in quality. However the discussion is going to have a good chunk of it driven by metal lust for a bit and its best people understand what metal it is before the convoluted planning kicks in.
Okay so everyone calm down. Bronze isn't here yet. There is no sudden need of copper mine because of fearmongering that we are falling behind
Those aren't really used for weapons. Look at the update
They could be used, but they weren't really that good at it for weapon use. Brass is not sturdy enough to make most weapons out of it.
First of all, if you're going to be posting this repeatedly, mind spoilering it? Anyway, planning 6 turns out is doomed to failure. We can barely manage 2 turn plans. Even 1 turn ago, who would've thought that we'd be trading with the DP?
I agree that increasing trade is important, but disagree on the importance. The HK likely has 1-2 more turns on The Law, so a trade mission next turn will still likely give us most of the benefits. Not all, no. But compared to the sheer utility that Metal gives us? I very much place metal's importance well above re-establishing our trade routes. If they go to war again, well, we're happy when our neighbors take stability hits since Cosmopolitan Acceptance makes the refugees efficient again.
Only some of them. Others stayed with us. But it doesn't really matter, we've already picked their brains dry of all their medical knowledge.
Weellllll if the current vote of Southshore + Garden Kicking + Mine goes through the Lowlands are suddenly not our problem.
I have been actually, just didn't this time. I apologize. And I think that thinking we can't plan it out is silly. It feeds into itself and self propagates. We knew we would be trading with them since Healing Magic.
I agree planning out 6 turns is silly. I'd rather go for 2 turn plans at the most, basically doing what we're doing this turn then planning for the next.
I do not disagree that Metal is important. If we can do the Trade Missions now while we know we are still in ceasefire, then I am fully in support of doing Main Copper Mines next turn.
That however completely cuts us off from the Lowlands again, and we just saw how far we can fall behind if we isolate ourselves too much.
The mines would absolutely still be there next turn. The same can't be said of the Trade Missions.
