Strange, I do not remember any vote about that...

It is as if he declared the new province a "march" and the government could not do anything against it due to the crisis...
Ok, wtf. Really? Really? Please explain what he was supposed to do with a 1 year travel time. He literally could not expect help, and the info was there for the vote.

although there were some questions of how well it might actually work given that the new province would be rather far away.
This went as well as could be expected, the province wasn't him rebelling.
 
[X] Elect Cwriid heir (+1 Stability, Crisis Ends on his terms)
[X] Keep trading with both (Large chance of one of the two declaring war, tiny chance of both declaring war)
[X] We will find land for you to settle (-1 Stability, +2 Econ)
 
Actually AN has stated his lowest score is "mediocre." Given we have a strong system of advisors, I don't think he'll be rolling particularly poorly.
Point.
My first one still applies. Setting up a March to be effective is a serious and intensive endeavor. I don't want him to leave it to one of his sons and would greatly prefer to have someone who is at least intelligent in character to pick smart actions.
 
This vote is a little split focus. If we elect Cwriid heir, there's no need to be conservative about the trading vote. He covers us militarily and we can either stay with one or just outright declare on the Highlanders.
Eh, military skill doesn't necessitate war. We could just leverage his heroics in peace, expanding towers or chariots again using his excellent stats for bonus effects.
I'm not worried about him. I'm worried about his descendants and the precedent he sets.
Still no concrete proof that he'll magically institute a hereditary kingdom. Regardless of if he even wants to, we have previous proof that we can control whether or not we allow such a dramatic change. We got lucky with the meathead in the past, but ultimately we did have the ability to deny his son the spot (and following the son's death, traditions were instituted that prevented familial inheritance of the kingdom without evidence of competence).
This was literally him trying to legitimate an illegal action.

It is also called lying.



This is completely wrong.

Reread the update.

He has one main and two secondary actions, own military, Econ, mysticism...

Hell, AN even outright said that we later may try to reintegrate the march, because right now? They are not integrated.
Not illegitimate, a March is even specified in the update as being easier to integrate than a vassal state. He's closer to us than even the HK is to their own predecessors in the lowlands.
 
Strange, I do not remember any vote about that...

It is as if he declared the new province a "march" and the government could not do anything against it due to the crisis...
[] Appoint him chief of the tribes he conquered (New province?)

He was voted to be given responsibility of taking care of those tribes. We assumed it was a new province but the fine print is there.
 
Ok, wtf. Really? Really? Please explain what he was supposed to do with a 1 year travel time. He literally could not expect help, and the info was there for the vote.

This went as well as could be expected, the province wasn't him rebelling.

Half an year.
And improving logistics.

This said?
Had he asked, we, myself included, would have probably voted for a march.

But he did not.
He literally pretty much declared himself a local king.
 
Half an year.
And improving logistics.

This said?
Had he asked, we, myself included, would have probably voted for a march.

But he did not.
He literally pretty much declared himself a local king.
It was outright stated that the chiefs and king had no clue how well the new province would work. Should he have just said, 'sorry, you're too far, I can't do it.'?
 
Don't bother. Rather than simply not wanting him king(something I can understand), @tenchifew is for some goddamned unexplained reason dead set on demonizing the guy, which is something that makes no goddamn sense and makes me not respect him or his arguments.

I am not demonizing him.
I see his action last turn as nearly an open rebellion, with his reasoning at best questionable.

He wanted to be a king, and he became at least a local one.
 
He's saying since we have the idea of inoculation, we can learn the idea of identity politics enough to be able to declare the guy a terrorist. Which makes so little goddamn sense I feel like I lost 500 IQ points parsing it.

nonesense! everyone knows that incolution leads to eugenics and ethno-nationalism rather than identity politics!


/s.
Just to be sure
 
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Don't bother. Rather than simply not wanting him king(something I can understand), @tenchifew is for some goddamned unexplained reason dead set on demonizing the guy, which is something that makes no goddamn sense and makes me not respect him or his arguments.
Given the character as is, I figure he's literally just too similar to Trump's presented 'golden years' politics for some people to even consider doing anything but snubbing him.
 
I am not demonizing him.
I see his action last turn as nearly an open rebellion, with his reasoning at best questionable.

He wanted to be a king, and he became at least a local one.
FOR FUCKS SAKE, WE HAVE ALREADY EXPLAINED THIS. HE IS SIMPLY TOO FAR AWAY TO EXERT ENOUGH INFLUENCE AND OR AID FOR HIM TO ACT LIKE A PROPER GOVERNOR, HE NEEDS TO ACT LIKE THE WAY HE IS FOR A PROVINCE THAT FAR TO EVEN WORK.
 
...no
We authorized a new province.

Which magically became independent.



No, he isn't.
I see his actions of last turn as close to open rebellion as can be.

People who want to destroy current state structures are called terrorists and are ineligible to be elected as its leaders.

Yes, the "province", that through some curious magic became independent.

This was literally him trying to legitimate an illegal action.

It is also called lying.



This is completely wrong.

Reread the update.

He has one main and two secondary actions, own military, Econ, mysticism...

Hell, AN even outright said that we later may try to reintegrate the march, because right now? They are not integrated.

Strange, I do not remember any vote about that...

It is as if he declared the new province a "march" and the government could not do anything against it due to the crisis...

Be a regular new province and work on better communication in his secondary action?
Like chariot post?

Half an year.
And improving logistics.

This said?
Had he asked, we, myself included, would have probably voted for a march.

But he did not.
He literally pretty much declared himself a local king.
I asked this of AN a while ago:
It's seen of as another province, but a very distant and different one.
Officially, as far as our People are concerned, he's a provincial chief--he even has the speaking stick that specifically signifies this. The great distance and to a lesser extent the cultural differences from his province being started by way of "i beat up a radically different society until they decided to swear fealty to me and by extension the People" mean that mechanically we have a march.

Quick Edit: That is, our People have no concept of a March...or if they do they're not applying it here.
 
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I havent seen a sane answer to why the antistallion crowd thinks he'll both want to and be able to institute a hereditary monarchy.

His marrying in to leadership of the tribes was necessary, for the same sorts of reasons as the traders. That doesnt indicate that this extremely meritorious leader will abandon meritocracy.

And land heredity != title heredity. The second hasn't been on the table for a long time.
 
[X] Snub him (Small chance of -1 Stability)
[X]Stop trading with both (-4 Diplomacy)
[X] We will find land for you to settle (-1 Stability, +2 Econ)
 
I asked this of AN a while ago:

Officially, as far as our People are concerned, he's a provincial chief--he even has the speaking stick that specifically signifies this. The great distance and to a lesser extent the cultural differences from his province being started by way of "i beat up a radically different society until they decided to swear fealty to me and by extension the People" mean that mechanically we have a march.

Ok, I saw it as a pushed forward reason, but if AN confirms the distance to be the real reason, then I agree that I was mistaken.
 
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