- Location
- United States
It's not speculating. Atleast take the time to look next time.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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So, a list of actions that cost nothing! What is here has actually surprised me in at least 2 ways.
That said, @Academia Nut , is this assumption correct?
Also, all the research shall belong to us.
- Black Soil, M
- Expand Economy
- New Settlement, S
- New Settlement, M
- Sailing Mission, S
- Study Forest, S
- Study Health, S
- Survey Lands, S
- War Mission (likely only used for defensive measures at this point)
That said, @Academia Nut , is this assumption correct?
Also, all the research shall belong to us.
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Keeping in mind how the Nomads work, the longer the Thunder Horse stays on top, the less likely that we get raided.
Nomad authority derives from Legitimacy(lose ability to hold on to control next turn if lost or lowered), and Prestige, which derives from successful raids and from personal bling(Wendikos raised his prestige by using Copper bling on his cart, Gold jewellery, and runed axes).
Trade with them would boost the prestige of those who benefit from our Dyes, and possibly metal-trade, so they are less likely to lose power to a more aggressive bloc, and more likely to still be friendly with us if they gain power again later.
- Location
- Sydney
[X] [Secondary] New Trails
[X] [Secondary] Trade Mission - Highlands Kingdom
It appears that the Western Confederacy has settled the chokepoint from the lowlands into our valley, as a result of our lack of claiming it. This is especially concerning due to the Death Priests success at absorbing Western Confederacy settlements recently. If the Death Priests decide to attack us they can deploy much of their military directly into our core territory based in a settlement quite close to us. (possibly two turns from now)
[X] [Secondary] Trade Mission - Highlands Kingdom
It appears that the Western Confederacy has settled the chokepoint from the lowlands into our valley, as a result of our lack of claiming it. This is especially concerning due to the Death Priests success at absorbing Western Confederacy settlements recently. If the Death Priests decide to attack us they can deploy much of their military directly into our core territory based in a settlement quite close to us. (possibly two turns from now)
And what are the chances of that happening in the next turn?
- Location
- Panama City
Actually, my reading of that is him actually saying NO, because the three turns we have is the best we can hope for. See, Andres was asking for the possibily of it happening, not for how long, and since three turns was the max we'd avoid raiding...
It sounds like since new settlements are no longer under the King's administration, it hurts the Centralization of the Governors instead of the King's
We...don't? We have a bit more leeway in Economy because we invested a lot of work keeping it positive.
Unless we manage to spend Economy this turn, we'd have enough Economy to fund Main Warrior's cost of -2, I'm personally backing the Main Warrior next turn.
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keenscythe
No longer NEET
- Location
- WA, USA
[X] [Secondary] Trade Mission - Highlands Kingdom
[X] [Secondary] Trade Mission - Thunder Horses
[X] [Secondary] Trade Mission - Thunder Horses
- Location
- Panama City
@Academia Nut would any new settlements done by the chiefs instead of us come with at least a nominal trail, so that it doesn't tank centralization? With the New trails option being building and improving trails that carts can travel, which will boost centralization?
Fairly good actually, I'd be pushing for that hard as the first action we main once the megaproject is done.
To further expand on this, note that new trails does cost econ, so it would have a fair chance of putting off expand warriors.
I think we should really consider:
[] Trade Mission - Lowland Minors
This is the ambitious move to absorb independent groups in the lowlands. The update leads me to believe that there's a vacuum for a better state:
Of course, this will pull us into the war at least a bit, but with our new governance structure we can pursue it at least semi-autonomously, and it creates a buffer we control between our primary settlements and the DP.
[] Trade Mission - Lowland Minors
This is the ambitious move to absorb independent groups in the lowlands. The update leads me to believe that there's a vacuum for a better state:
Of course, this will pull us into the war at least a bit, but with our new governance structure we can pursue it at least semi-autonomously, and it creates a buffer we control between our primary settlements and the DP.
- Location
- Panama City
Interesting idea, but we don't nearly have the military to do that and protect our new acquisitions at the same time, or the Econ to wall them up at the very least.
- Location
- United States
We don't have 3 turns of peace. The deal with TH was 1-2 turns of peace. The question that was asked was whether we could extend the peace by sending a trade route, and AN said 3 turns is the best we can hope for...that isn't him saying no.
You're the one who's speculating...it just makes it even more annoying when you put other's ideas down by saying they're the ones who're speculating and that you hate it.
- Location
- United States
We won't have the stability to deal with a LoO trigger from taking them in though, unless AN says they won't.
@Academia Nut What would the pros and cons of sending a trade mission to the Lowland Minors be?
- Location
- Panama City
Oh, I misremembered, I thought it was 3 turns. Then perhaps this does have a chance of working, and I wouldn't be sad to see it win
- Location
- Panama City
Not to mention we'd also get a Centralization hit from more villages and Provinces joining in mass
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Point of clarification: nothing really changed, you just get to see the numbers behind the hood now.
New settlements aren't going to impact centralization anymore, however there will eventually be the 'New Province' button that emerges and that will.
Cons: May be eaten by Dead Priests before you can do anything
Pros: If you act fast Diplo-Annexation is possible (which may be a con for some people)
Xantalos
Turtle-Speed Writing
Would this theoretically be something our subchiefs would be able to pursue on their own?
- Location
- Panama City
I'm guessing 'New Province' would have a much greater econ impact than a settlement, at the cost of adding another governor?
Please vote for a trade mission with the thunder horse tribe. If we do this it will increase their legitimacy, which will in turn make it easier for them to hold sway. It will also make them friendly with us because attacking your trade partners would be dishonorable and they're making gains off of this, so they'd just attack other people for the glory.
This is the last turn of the guaranteed peace, a trade mission even next turn will be dangerous and potentially much less likely to work. It's our one opportunity for a long time to start turning the nomads away and instead use them to gain information about the wider world. Remember, they're the ones that told us where the metal workers are, and seem to know someone with advanced woodworking. What else do they know?
Annexing settlements seems a lot different than taking in refuges with LoO.
- Location
- Panama City
Problem is I don't think we can fit any centralization option in next turn, what with needing to expand warriors as a main to get that sweet sweet innovation roll.
- Location
- Panama City
Still has the problem of our relative lack of ability to defend them, especially if we get Lowland Minors on the other side of the HK joining us.