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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Velorien said:
I'm just speaking for myself here, of course. If @eaglejarl has the patience to deal with incredibly long plans, more power to him.
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I do not. I've been staring at the sprawling monstrosities that are currently on the board with a growing sense of horror.

EDIT: In fact, let's even put that on the table. I, at least, will offer more XP for plans that make my life easier. In general this means shorter plans are better. @Velorien can decide for himself if he wants to be this Machiavellian.


Velorien said:
This may be retconned if @eaglejarl turns up and tells me I've missed something important that causes the above to not make sense.
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Nope, @Velorien is right. I had simply misunderstood.
 
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*chuckles* This is what happens when you put us into a complex political situation from a disadvantageous position after dozens of updates showing us the necessity of detailed plans.

But on a serious note, I would be more than happy to add a note "GMs feel free to hack up the plan into little itty bitty segments for your own sake", or condense the plan so long as it doesn't negatively affect the outcome.
 
I feel like we could probably come up with some kind of mathematical model to find the optimal tradeoff between plan shortness and plan detail.

Maybe something like

L = (m1​*m2​*m3​...)+(c*nmmax​​)

where L is the length of the plan in paragraphs, mnumber​ is the magnitude of a specific numbered problem in arbitrary units, c is the number of contingencies in paragraphs, n is the total number of problems, and mmax​ is the magnitude of the most dangerous problem in arbitrary units.

There's probably a better way. We could try experimenting with plans based on different models, and see how efficient we can get our plans.
 
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faflec said:
*chuckles* This is what happens when you put us into a complex political situation from a disadvantageous position after dozens of updates showing us the necessity of detailed plans.

But on a serious note, I would be more than happy to add a note "GMs feel free to hack up the plan into little itty bitty segments for your own sake", or condense the plan so long as it doesn't negatively affect the outcome.
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Yeah, we tried being short and simple once. It resulted in Akane getting reverse-assassinated! :whistle:

Alright, that was mostly that we were TOO short and simple. There IS a happy medium, we just need to find it. In all honesty, once this arc is over, we'll have a lot easier time of making shorter plans. Hopefully. On that note, faflec, are you willing to do some refactoring for your plan?
 
So what is our plan if we get everything we want out of this village this update? Ignore everything and just think of the outcome we want, Kieko with a summon scroll in hand and signed and the rest of us unharmed. What is the next step? I would think that doing research on the summon animal's capabilities and trying to get in contact with Jiraiya to see how much actionable information on Mist would cost so that we could start planning a mission to recover loved one from them would be the next priority we should go for. Once we get some information about what we are going to be up against we can work on a seal better suited to our chosen tasks.
 
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Plan name: Training Hazou: Brick Chop
Voters: @Cariyaga, @faflec, @HoratioVonBecker, @Jello_Raptor, @MadScientist, @Muer'ci, @QTesseract, @Sleeps Furiously, @SoothingCoffee
Num votes: 9


Plan name: Action Plan: Becoming Aristobulus
Voters: @Cariyaga, @faflec, @Jello_Raptor, @Killer_Whale, @MadScientist, @Orisha91, @Rafin, @Rozencrantz
Num votes: 8


Plan name: Training Akane: Float like a Firefly
Voters: @Cariyaga, @faflec, @HoratioVonBecker, @Jello_Raptor, @MadScientist, @QTesseract, @Sleeps Furiously, @SoothingCoffee
Num votes: 8


Plan name: Research Noburi: Vampiric Dew
Voters: @1234qwerty, @faflec, @HoratioVonBecker, @Jello_Raptor, @Killer_Whale, @Muer'ci, @Orisha91
Num votes: 7


Plan name: Action Plan: Proper Politics Prevent Problems
Voters: @1234qwerty, @Dictator4Hire, @Jello_Raptor, @Muer'ci, @Traiden
Num votes: 5


Plan name: Training Keiko : Whatever Takahashi Says
Voters: @1234qwerty, @Jello_Raptor, @Killer_Whale, @Orisha91, @Rafin
Num votes: 5


Plan name: Training Noburi: High Sugar Level
Voters: @faflec, @Jello_Raptor, @MadScientist, @Muer'ci, @Sleeps Furiously
Num votes: 5


Plan name: Training Noburi: Just What the Doctor Ordered
Voters: @Jello_Raptor, @MadScientist, @Muer'ci, @QTesseract, @Rafin
Num votes: 5


Plan name: Action Plan : Lore Update
Voters: @1234qwerty, @Cariyaga, @Jello_Raptor
Num votes: 3


Plan name: Training Akane: Light Sparring
Voters: @Cariyaga, @MadScientist, @Muer'ci
Num votes: 3


Plan name: Training Hazou: Light Sparring
Voters: @Cariyaga, @MadScientist
Num votes: 2


Plan name: Training Keiko: Nope
Voters: @1234qwerty, @faflec
Num votes: 2


Plan name: Training Noburi: Waiting Room
Voters: @HoratioVonBecker, @Jello_Raptor
Num votes: 2


Plan name: Action Plan: You've Got Mail
Voters: @1234qwerty
Num votes: 1


Plan name: Dig a Tunnel
Voters: @Ridiculously Average Guy
Num votes: 1


Plan name: Research Hazou: Casino light seals
Voters: @1234qwerty
Num votes: 1


Plan name: Training <Inoue>
Voters: @1234qwerty
Num votes: 1



Number of voters: 17
 
Traiden said:
So what is our plan if we get everything we want out of this village this update? Ignore everything and just think of the outcome we want, Kieko with a summon scroll in hand and signed and the rest of us unharmed. What is the next step? I would think that doing research on the summon animal's capabilities and trying to get in contact with Jiraiya to see how much actionable information on Mist would cost so that we could start planning a mission to recover loved one from them would be the next priority we should go for. Once we get some information about what we are going to be up against we can work on a seal better suited to our chosen tasks.
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Way ahead of yourself mate, none of the plans expect that. At most the plans end with the trial beginning (1234qwerty's plan?); most of them last a week, max.

But at the end of the arc, we'd ideally have what you say, then go to the Land of Iron to up Noburi's Medical ninjutsu, and get in touch with Jiraiya for a mission. IDEALLY one that gets us contacts near countries Hidden Mist to build up for our quoteunquote "rescue mission". Which Inoue-sensei already says is a terrible idea.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, yeah? We aren't the shit yet.
 
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I'm perfectly willing to if someone could point me in the right direction. Or I could just write a tl;dr.
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A tl;dr would probably be helpful for Eaglejarl, yeah.
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Way ahead of yourself mate, none of the plans expect that. At most the plans end with the trial beginning (1234qwerty's plan?); most of them last a week, max.

But at the end of the arc, we'd ideally have what you say, then go to the Land of Iron to up Noburi's Medical ninjutsu, and get in touch with Jiraiya for a mission. IDEALLY one that gets us contacts near countries Hidden Mist to build up for our quoteunquote "rescue mission". Which Inoue-sensei already says is a terrible idea.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, yeah? We aren't the shit yet.
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Agreed. Also kind of would like to see what we could do if we went with that neutral, non-war-oriented ninja village idea. Or at least what Jiraiya thinks of it.
 
The tl;dr
  1. We keep doing the standard heal-dating-survival plan we've done in previous plans
  2. We prepare Keiko by stuffing her full of everything she could possibly need. Plans, weapons, traps, survival gear...
  3. We set up meetings with Aida, Inoue, Yoshida, and Kannagi:
    1. Aida/Inoue: Pacify their fears, get info on religion
    2. Yoshida: Apologize for previous insults, give basic seal knowledge as payment
    3. KannagI: Discuss Yuno, possible issues with her instability, offer to take the reputation hit
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Done. New strat:

*sighs*

[X] Action Plan: Becoming Aristobulus
We have 2 weeks before the shitstorm that is actually getting the summoning scroll. So let's make sure we don't start the shitstorm early, and prepare ourselves fully for the shitstorm and possibleinevitable betrayals.

Ideally this update should end within a week, at most. If it takes less time, great! End the update early; if it takes a bit more time, that's ok as well. If the GMs want to do only part of the plan to simplify their lives, that's OK as long as we aren't penalized for it.

Goals:
  1. Survive.
  2. Avoid serious village interaction.
  3. Prepare Keiko for the trial.
  4. Figure out how to deal with Yuno.
  5. Try to set up talks with members of the other elder clans.
  6. Prepare contingencies for if Takahashi/Kannagi/others betray us and/or start shit.
  7. Train/research.
  8. Pray to Jashin-sama.
Methods:
  1. Minimize interaction with the village outside of required communications and meetings.
    1. Sustain ourselves fully on hunted meatstuffs, Condense Water + streamwater, and heat from Elemental Mastery + furs + fire.
      1. We should have a metric shitton of this stuff, but if we're low we should stock up.
    2. Whenever Keiko goes to train, she goes with Inoue and Hazou.
      1. Noburi can set time to heal the villagers OR go on a date with Yuno ONLY when Keiko's not doing training. Make sure we have minimum separation of individuals.
      2. Inoue has to (read: pretty please sensei?) tail Noburi with the expectation of a sneak attack from pissed off Gasai or other religious fanatics.
    3. During healing sessions, comment on how nice it is for Keiko to finally have a Wind Release tutor and/or someone else who shares her interests in ninjutsu theory.
    4. If asked, cite paranoia from angry Gasai revenge + desire to avoid another Kouta situation.
  2. Prepare Keiko for the trial.
    1. EVERYONE should brainstorm ways that the trial can play out and how they ought to be solved.
      1. We should take cues from the social and cultural dynamics of Hillbilly Mountain: It's completely possible that Akio passed on his values since they would be tested by the summon, and subsequently integrated into the trial.
    2. Hazou should prepare seals:
      1. Storage scrolls with food, water, medicines, wood, blood, straw decoys, and any other essentials Keiko deems possibly useful. One scroll should be empty in case Keiko needs to store something quickly.
      2. Explosive scrolls (as many as Hazou can plausibly make while maintaining some for himself/the rest of the team) for Keiko to put down and/or throw with weapons.
    3. Noburi should build a second 0.5L barrel for Keiko:
      1. The barrel should contain some 25% CP in the water (details to be discussed).
      2. Noburi should hold this barrel with him at all times to ensure no chakra is lost before the trial.
      3. Noburi should give the barrel to Keiko right before she goes to the trial to minimize the loss of chakra in the water.
      4. Noburi should also give medical checkups on Keiko. Make sure she's healthy, not been poisoned or injured...
    4. Akane should prepare traps and other tools for Keiko, to be held in storage scrolls:
      1. Some type of lock picking kit.
      2. Some manner of caltrops or other method of battlefield denial. These can be explosive if desired (work with Hazou)
      3. Easy-to-set-up tripwires.
      4. Chimes (or equivalent) that rattle (and sound differently) when moved and make noise ONLY after being set up.
      5. An entrenching tool or equivalent (if we don't have that as standard equipment).
    5. Kagome should be encouraged to give Keiko some seals for her use:
      1. Implosion seals to break down tough walls standard explosive tags cannot take out.
      2. Barrier Method Formation (lesser) to be used with explosives.
      3. Emergency Force Wall seals in case Keiko needs a defense or durability-bypassing ability (cut enemy on edge).
    6. Inoue-sensei should instruct Keiko on creative applications of her Zephyr's Reach and weapons skill.
    7. Keiko needs to not break a leg, sprain an ankle, or any other bullshit that can weaken her.
      1. Minimize use of her bloodline unless under Takahashi's training.
      2. Take most of the fortnight to relax but make sure to keep her muscles/brain limber.
        1. Suggest setting up obstacle courses for her to train on with her physical skills + Zephyr's Reach.
    8. Commune with Takahashi on the trial, Yuno, angered Gasai/Inoue/Aida, and other events that may affect these things.
      1. Ask Takahashi more on the trial to help with planning stages.
      2. Ask Takahashi more on the prophecy he hinted at in the last update.
      3. Discuss options on Yuno and angered villagers as seen in other stages of the plan.
      4. Ask Takahashi if Inoue-sensei can sit in on the vote like last time.
  3. Figure out how to deal with Yuno.
    1. Discuss ALL Yuno-based plans with Takahashi and the rest of our team before coming to a concensus. We want minimum bloodshed (as required by Takahashi's agreement).
    2. Discuss the viability of Noburi needing to do something before being allowed to marry:
      1. Kill an enemy combatant (read: ninja) in actual combat (not an execution).
      2. Discuss heavily: Noburi still has to learn the final bits of medical ninjutsu before being officially called a master.
    3. Discuss the viability of Noburi not meeting the requirements of Hillbilly Mountain's culture:
      1. Noburi has shed blood and been stained by blood before. Hillbilly Mountain has a serious hemophobia issue and this may be grounds to cancel the marriage, if Yuno's pariah status is any indication.
    4. Discuss the viability of getting the Kannagi disgraced and forcing them to cancel the marriage.
    5. Discuss the viability of other ways of convincing Kannagi to cancel the marriage himself.
  4. Try to set up talks between Inoue and members of the other elder clans:
    1. We can discuss with Takahashi the merit to doing these things.
      1. We make sure our actions aren't seen as insulting, antagonistic, and otherwise putting ourselves in a position where they can make demands of us as according to their culture.
    2. Speak with the Inoue/Aida as students wanting to learn from the master (i.e., we want to learn your ways).
      1. We speak under our terms (i.e., we don't go to their house to get poisoned).
      2. Try to placate them and make assurances we're decent people who are gladdened to have the chance to settle with the village (hah).
      3. We would also appreciate any insight into your culture and lore that you want to give us since we're uncultured but willing to learn.
    3. Speak with the Kannagi about Yuno.
      1. Point out that Yuno's behavior and history suggests that she will not respond well to the marriage being cut off.
      2. Emphasize that if you (the Kannagi head) end the marriage she may respond violently to you, which would cast doubt on you if you can't control your own family.
      3. Suggest that if Noburi ends the marriage Yuno's anger will be directed at us, instead; it casts less doubt on your position since all the fault lies on us.
      4. Also suggest that if there is a cultural reason for you to break the marriage that even Yuno can't contest (e.g., Noburi has blood on his hands) the marriage can be ended with risk of violence.
    4. Speak with the Yoshida to apologize.
      1. When we first arrived, Hazou inadvertently insulted the Yoshida by insinuating they didn't know anything about seals. Hazou formally apologizes to the Yoshida clan head for the slight. As apologies Hazou offers to share his knowledge of his storage and explosive seals to the Yoshida, without reservation.
      2. This allows us to keep the Yoshida from hating us (for ignoring/insulting her), offering her seals (but she already knew we have these), and keeping her pacified.
  5. Prepare contingencies for betrayal and attempted murder:
    1. Test general competence of our ninja guard:
      1. Check their rotation across time, any changes between day/night, hours of shift, cave vs. while we hunt...
      2. See if Inoue can manipulate them.
    2. If angry villagers try to attack us in our base:
      1. We should have two genin (not Keiko!!) or Inoue-sensei on guard. At a minimum.
      2. Run. We should have traps everywhere but if they're confident enough to know this it's likely a village-wide assault. We can weather the initial storm but further attacks are gonna be bad.
    3. If angry villagers try to attack us during training/dates/healing/travel:
      1. We run and stall. MEW, scare-you-away explosives...basically any AOE that scares enemies/keeps them from advancing but does not necessarily kill them.
        1. If they escalate so do we. If the whole village seems to be involved (read: >50% of the people) we go all out.
      2. Send up signals (prepared) to alert our team if we're separated.
      3. Get ready to bugger out of the village.
    4. If people try to force us to marry early, attempt to delay/stall using above plans. Run if failure.
    5. If Takahashi does not announce the vote to let Keiko take the trial, prepare to evac and/or steal the scroll.
      1. Scout the temple, asking Takahashi/Yuno for broad ceremony details (time taken, focus needed, general expectations, etc.).
  6. Train/research.
    1. This is a reminder.
  7. Pray to Jashin-samaour local deities.
  8. Count down to when the trial is meant to take place.
tl;dr:
  1. We keep doing the standard heal-dating-survival plan we've done in previous plans
  2. We prepare Keiko by stuffing her full of everything she could possibly need. Plans, weapons, traps, survival gear...
  3. We discuss setting up meetings with Aida, Inoue, Yoshida, and Kannagi:
    1. Aida/Inoue: Pacify their fears, get info on religion
    2. Yoshida: Apologize for previous insults, give basic seal knowledge as payment
    3. KannagI: Discuss Yuno, possible issues with her instability, offer to take the reputation hit
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Tl;dr for PPPP as of edit 6
  1. Only lasts for one day
  2. Only meeting is with Takahashi
  3. Other meetings will be discussed with the team before we commit to them
  4. Everything else will happen over the course of the day and if it would take longer we get a status update on its progress.
  5. Yuno will be dealt with in a similar manner to the meetings; if we need to we can talk with her everyday before the trial.
 
[X] Action Plan: Becoming Aristobulus

[X] Training Hazou: Brick Chop
[X] Research Noburi: Vampiric Dew
[X] Training Akane: Float Like A Firefly

I just read the latest update a bit ago. Must say, Yuno's grown on me. A bit.

These are my basic thoughts on what I'd like to see in the near future:

>Successfully take summoning scroll

>Nobby pulls a Hazou and runs off with Yuno

>Action Kagome: Armageddon Initiative

>Hillbilly Mountain => Hillbilly Crater

>Oops, my bad. Did I say Hillbilly Crater? I meant Smoking Hillbilly Crater! ^_^

>Hazou Gang lives happily ever after. Or at least, till they come across the next village the QMs have on their list.

>Rinse, repeat. Keiko will steal a girl next time.

PS: Git gud somewhere along the way
 
You'll probably end up with a bit of an extension because I just had the following conversation:

Appealingly tousled, just-awakened sweetie who is only in town a few days: Hey, you want dim sum for breakfast?

Me: Heck yeah!
 
Are Hazou and his companions (minus Jonin companions) considered Jonin-level in anything yet?

Would a mission to find kill us (Minus Inoue and Kagome) considered S,A, or B rank?
 
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[X] Training Hazou: Brick Chop
[X] Training Akane: Float like a Firefly
[X] Training Noburi: Just What the Doctor Ordered
[X] Training Keiko: Nope

[X] Action Plan: Becoming Aristobulus

Alright, I have actually sorta kinda changed my mind on Yuno, and am considering her for Team Recruitment. Maybe next plan.
 
Shard said:
Are Hazou and his companions (minus Jonin companions) considered Jonin-level in anything yet?

Would a mission to find kill us (Minus Inoue and Kagome) considered S,A, or B rank?
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I want to say A rank but it'd probably be B until at least a couple chuunin teams died to us.
 
The mission would be A-rank because they'd almost certainly expect Inoue/Kagome to be there, even if they actually aren't. But in an actual combat scenario it'd be B-rank.
 
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