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We don't need Hazo to activate them himself, do we? Could leave it for Naruto or something.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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He can infuse 5ish and leave them behind simply have Naruto activate them when he needs them.
Ninja Radar was Medium so probably not, but we could do smaller AoE Superchillers.
The rift in our Rift-opener tests closed over time, the last time the Afterlife Rift was open is closed over time, and the mechanics of our Rift-Openers imply rifts ~always close over time at a predictable rate based on how wide we physically opened them.
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Hi, lurker here. Sorry if I've just missed it, but I was looking through the informationals and the known seals and runes doc and couldn't seem to find the force rune research testing?
I ask because of an idea to try and extend the time needed to tunnel beneath a force dome by exploiting the part where it grows to fill unenclosed holes dug beneath it. A thin gap between the dome and the surround earth extended down into the ground should qualify as a hole for the dome to fill, no? This probably caps off very quickly to avoid precisely such shenanigans, but even adding another few meters of Iron Earth to dig through can buy time. Of course, this probably isn't applicable to as large a Force Dome as would be necessary to cover Leaf since unless the holes are dug uniformly they can probably find somewhere else to tunnel through, and it'll take time to set up barring any sort of rapid pace jutsu excavation.
Another idea would be to nest more force domes underground beneath the larger force dome, depending on how force domes act in enclosed spaces. I couldn't find anything as to whether or not the initial jet of invisible chakra was impeded by physical objects, but I would assume such is the case; however, after the initial jet, the dome then slices through material durability 4 or less which I would assume dirt falls under. A potential option, then, might be to plant more force domes underground and dig a hole for the jet to reach its fixed radius before it begins expanding such that these new force domes join with the bottom of the main one, thus forcing Akatsuki to tunnel much further underground to get under these secondary force domes.
I'm very doubtful either of these will work; the former will probably be infeasible due to the time and labour it will take and the latter either invalidated due to the rules of how the rune works or the fact the expanding dome could cut through vital underground infrastructure, be very annoying to set up and would near guarantee tunnelers come into contact with the runes before they can actually make it into the protected area. Oh and also if we mess up the calculations and get two intersecting Force Domes I'm not sure what would happen.
Still, I feel the need to ask to make sure, and once again I'm sorry if this has already been brought up (likely) and I've just missed it.
I ask because of an idea to try and extend the time needed to tunnel beneath a force dome by exploiting the part where it grows to fill unenclosed holes dug beneath it. A thin gap between the dome and the surround earth extended down into the ground should qualify as a hole for the dome to fill, no? This probably caps off very quickly to avoid precisely such shenanigans, but even adding another few meters of Iron Earth to dig through can buy time. Of course, this probably isn't applicable to as large a Force Dome as would be necessary to cover Leaf since unless the holes are dug uniformly they can probably find somewhere else to tunnel through, and it'll take time to set up barring any sort of rapid pace jutsu excavation.
Another idea would be to nest more force domes underground beneath the larger force dome, depending on how force domes act in enclosed spaces. I couldn't find anything as to whether or not the initial jet of invisible chakra was impeded by physical objects, but I would assume such is the case; however, after the initial jet, the dome then slices through material durability 4 or less which I would assume dirt falls under. A potential option, then, might be to plant more force domes underground and dig a hole for the jet to reach its fixed radius before it begins expanding such that these new force domes join with the bottom of the main one, thus forcing Akatsuki to tunnel much further underground to get under these secondary force domes.
I'm very doubtful either of these will work; the former will probably be infeasible due to the time and labour it will take and the latter either invalidated due to the rules of how the rune works or the fact the expanding dome could cut through vital underground infrastructure, be very annoying to set up and would near guarantee tunnelers come into contact with the runes before they can actually make it into the protected area. Oh and also if we mess up the calculations and get two intersecting Force Domes I'm not sure what would happen.
Still, I feel the need to ask to make sure, and once again I'm sorry if this has already been brought up (likely) and I've just missed it.
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped Force Domes burn out when turned off. Does this apply to other runes like Iron Earth and Ninja Radar? Alternatively, do we have any way of safely burning out the runes we used at the fight?
[X] Hazō Training Plan: Sorry Ino, It's Time To Go ACE
I think there's no point in having Hazou sprint for Leaf with only Noburi for speed. There's a bunch of fellow Leaf nin who would be rather annoyed at being left behind. Better to move as a block, if we are indeed heading back to Leaf. I think having Noburi on hand to help Oro set up his riftmover runes is a good idea.
Also, if I may...
Am I making any sense with this? Does anyone else see what I'm getting at here, and why I'm worried about it/think something needs to change?
I think there's no point in having Hazou sprint for Leaf with only Noburi for speed. There's a bunch of fellow Leaf nin who would be rather annoyed at being left behind. Better to move as a block, if we are indeed heading back to Leaf. I think having Noburi on hand to help Oro set up his riftmover runes is a good idea.
Also, if I may...
Here (or at least part of it) is another example of a plan that will lead to a "meeting chapter." And yet we really do need this information. Of course, the fact that its with Orochimaru and Tsunade might make it more interesting, but it also suffers from our inability to detail Hazou's arguments and positions without ballooning the plan totally out of control, leaving as another aspect where the GM kind of needs to make our choices for us, leading to possible dropped spoons and/or a lack of agency on our part.
Am I making any sense with this? Does anyone else see what I'm getting at here, and why I'm worried about it/think something needs to change?
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If the other Leaf-nin are going with Hazou back to Leaf they represent the bulk of the available chakra Orochimaru can take for runecrafting; Noburi would be better-suited going with them. Orochimaru will simply have to meet Noburi in the Seventh Path.
It is, it will tunnel through a few meters of topsoil but anything more will stop it.
To my understanding, this is not the case, it doesn't slice through the dirt to any appreciable degree. Dirt structures above ground, yes. But it's a dome and it doesn't tunnel.
They stop expanding, no undefined behavior (runic failure)
Yeah I see your point.
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped I am asking the following to avoid another boring meeting update where little happens.
What do Orochimaru/Tsunade think of the following (Mari/Kei approved) suggestions:
- Raising the ground at the fortress 10+ meters to kill any member of Akatsuki that fled via Reverse Summon
- Opening the Rift to grab a prisoner to interrogate, Deidara himself, even, and to determine if post-death afterlife location maps 1-to-1 with the Human Path
- How we should to split our forces to get back to Leaf before Akatsuki attacks it. Hazou favors sending the Leaf contingent home, with Hazou/Team Uplift to prepare defenses, leaving just Tsunade and Oro in the field. Noburi will keep him supplied with chakra so he can shape runes faster.
- How fast can Orochimaru move the Rift with Noburi's assistance?
- How fast can we expect Akatsuki to come here to investigate? Should we dig in and try to kill them when they arrive? Or would they skip to attacking Leaf immediately instead?
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So, if you were to plant a dome in a hole exceeding it's radius, it would simply fail to form as the dome would not slice through the surrounding dirt. That's about what I expected, but I still felt the need to clarify. Thanks for the response.
In regards to how far the dome will expand to fill unenclosed holes, I assume that's a HDK or it hasn't been specifically asked about.
[Player-created] MfD Visual Timeline
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Alright, I had most things squared away before this update, so here's the updated visual timeline covering chapters 601-700!
(This image is rendering a lot bigger than the last one. I have no idea why, they're both the same size on imgur, I guess SV just embedded the first one weirdly)
This last 100 chapters has been, as you can see, quite eventful. Seriously. I keep worrying that it's just recency bias, minor things seeming more important because they're recent, but no it just really has been that crazy. At the start of the 600s we didn't even have runes, and Asuma was still around and the Dragons were still munching on spiders. It's crazy.
Expect the next update to happen when the 700s row is complete, if there's still an Elemental Nations left by that point.
(Edit: I was a bit hasty and messed up the seasons stuff, fixed now)
This last 100 chapters has been, as you can see, quite eventful. Seriously. I keep worrying that it's just recency bias, minor things seeming more important because they're recent, but no it just really has been that crazy. At the start of the 600s we didn't even have runes, and Asuma was still around and the Dragons were still munching on spiders. It's crazy.
Expect the next update to happen when the 700s row is complete, if there's still an Elemental Nations left by that point.
(Edit: I was a bit hasty and messed up the seasons stuff, fixed now)
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What do you mean by "hole" here? If you dig a trench around the perimeter of the FD it would break the plane of the ground to fill the gap, it just won't tunnel without the trench.
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Until it hits solid ground, runes infused on skytowers become Force Spheres
If the rune is active and more space is cleared out underneath the edge will it actively grow to fill the new gap? Wondering if something along these lines would be a viable way to completely enclose leaf at least until a better iron earth rune is developed
Yes this would work, but is I think impractical for enclosing all of Leaf. It's just too large of a distance. Unless someone wants to do some math here and cost out the ES time.
I'd rather just research higher powered Iron Earth, the first one was very easy.
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By hole I mean just a hole in the ground; if I were to take a Force Dome rune of 120 meter radius and put it in a 130 meter deep hole, the jet of chakra moves through the air unimpeded to roughly 10 metres below ground level. From there the walls of the Dome would form. My question was if the walls would then cut through the soil to form the full half-hemisphere dome, just completely underground. However, based on your response, it would just stop at the walls of the hole.
The whole idea with that becomes unnecessary anyways with the knowledge that it would be technically possible to excavate a pathway for the force dome such that it would create a force sphere around the target instead, although that's still too time-consuming compared to just researching better Iron Earth
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Two points in Hazo's internal monologue indicate that the Superchiller's range may be able to extend beyond the protection of the dome. The test infusion did not provide the information that you're claiming.
He set the Superchiller off in testing at some depth, it wasn't noticeable on the surface. So there is a safe depth
I realize EJ's quote says he didn't do that -- it's an error. He set it off.
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Did we take no one alive? I get it, but it would be really useful to be able to find out what the hell was going on here to the greatest possible extent, and it sounds like at the end it was pretty obvious that we'd won conclusively.
Do we have this?
Missing a comma.
Uhhh I'm not sure this is a good idea because we then need to deal with an open Rift. Can we move it while it's open? It'll be a few days before it closes fully, and I don't want Itachi or someone tracking us down.
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Can I please get the CP cost for the new dogs that Hazō summoned? Bull especially is what I am interested in. It's for a graph.
Can I please get the CP cost for the new dogs that Hazō summoned? Bull especially is what I am interested in. It's for a graph.
6 hours for the lil bitty rune.
Yeah we got it back when Hidan exploded himself in the Hokage's office. How silly of him, leaving his DNA everywhere.
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True true, but we've got 40 people looking and Hazou to ES the rubble away
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[X] Hazō Training Plan: Sorry Ino, It's Time To Go ACE
