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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Inferno Vulpix said:
Going by Icarus Rune specs, it kind of looks like if we set our sights on a "no EM in this AoE" rune it might have an utterly bonkers radius. A full-size Icarus Rune has a radius of 12.5 kilometers, and if we can match that on the EM ward then it might legitimately not be possible to get high enough above the ward to assault the city that way. It's not a given, but it honestly looks pretty reasonable that we could make an actually-effective EM ward rune.

The other part... yeah. If safety against nuclear war is maintained solely by one ninja and his ultra-esoteric discipline, it's a very fragile safety that outright cannot be expected to last long. But hey, thinking positively, maybe a few decades of breathing room will let Hazou cook up some other, more permanent solution! Or at least, as vague as that hope is it's reasonable enough that I can't outright call the strategy unviable. It's just... rough, on top of the other flaws I mentioned previously. I do think if it were solely up to me I wouldn't have wagered everything on a bet this shady.
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Veedrac said:
That would definitely help, though I'm not sure it would work per se. For example, what if they cast it upriver? What if they cast 30 of them around the city; would it remain habitable? I do think you avoid instant destruction scenarios but I'm not convinced that even helps if you can't also tell who was responsible.
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Design the anti-EM-nuke rune to enforce a minimum temperature of 100K, and maximum sustained wind speed of 50mph, such that trying to go beyond runs into runic-drag-like resistance. Carve an exception for short bursts from active chakra effects, so wind jutsu and explosives still work. Spec early versions to cover individual cities, then build a veterancy chain aiming for a radius of a thousand miles and duration of a thousand years. Nice round number. After that it's the next Rinnegan-bearer's problem.
Results will get weird where tornadoes, hurricanes, or other extreme weather events would have naturally formed, and even more so in the upper atmosphere, but probably net beneficial to civilian welfare overall. If it turns out to be inconvenient for industrial development (by, say, interfering with the internals of smelters or steam engines), budget some A-rank till-n-fill missions for setting up the necessary machinery and a supporting town on the edge of the map.
 
Sir Stompy said:
[X] Action Plan: Lunar Eclipse
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Optimized it to 320 words. Add something cool to it.
  • Bury the practice RER2s.
  • Declare (1FP): Hazou advised Naruto to order Leaf Summoners to train CR and get their Summons' favor, maximizing the chance of them summoning Bosses.
  • Concur with Orochimaru's plan.
    • Request his note for rift-runes, or accommodations for accessing them if he's incapacitated.
    • When traveling: Would he share the details of Akatsuki's recent attack on him?
      • Have they revealed previously-unknown capabilities?
      • Any additional capabilities not in the dossier he can share?
  • Travel to the rally point, wait for Leaf. Sanity-check the below.
    • If Kagome's absence is noted, he opted to go to ground. He knows he's not a useful combatant.
      • If pressed, acknowledge he's afraid of Orochimaru.
    • Visit Dog (optimize with Cannai):
      • Meet with strong Dogs who might agree to join the Riftwar.
      • Be respectful. Be mindful we're nothing like Kakashi.
      • Emphasize the fight's importance.
        • Note our service to Dog (message-running) despite our war.
        • Opportunity to support the Alpha (so he isn't incapacitated for the Leopard war)
      • Accept refusals gracefully.
    • Prepare runic blanks for the assualts. Force Domes, Iron Earth, Air-Leadeners, Ninja Radars, a Superchiller (in secret).
    • Grind runic veterancy with leftover chakra.
      • Prioritize timeladdered ES checks until there is no need for rerolls on RER2s, then infusions for Force Dome, Ninja Radar, RER2 (ideally, until they can be timeladdered once).
      • Bury practice runes.
      • Test how much earth the Force-Dome chakra pillar pierces.
  • After Leaf arrives:
    • Plan the Moon assault with Tsunade, Orochimaru, and Mari.
      • Brief Tsunade on Hazou's runes.
        • If Mari agrees, mention she can genjutsu-lock multiple ninja.
      • Based on Leaf's forces and available chakra, optimize the battle plan.
      • Ideally, we trap the village with a Force Dome/Iron Earth combo, then send refilled Tsunade/Orochimaru/Mari SCs for capture. Runners are tracked and neutralized using a Ninja-Radar perimeter.
      • If anyone balks at mass murder, suggest we attack anonymously, or as a false-flag.
        • Could we avoid having to silence them this way?
  • Head to Moon and attack.
 
Noumero said:
Optimized it to 320 words. Add something cool to it.
  • Bury the practice RER2s.
  • Declare (1FP): Hazou advised Naruto to order Leaf Summoners to train CR and get their Summons' favor, maximizing the chance of them summoning Bosses.
  • Concur with Orochimaru's plan.
    • Request his note for rift-runes, or accommodations for accessing them if he's incapacitated.
    • When traveling: Would he share the details of Akatsuki's recent attack on him?
      • Have they revealed previously-unknown capabilities?
      • Any additional capabilities not in the dossier he can share?
  • Travel to the rally point, wait for Leaf. Sanity-check the below.
    • If Kagome's absence is noted, he opted to go to ground. He knows he's not a useful combatant.
      • If pressed, acknowledge he's afraid of Orochimaru.
    • Visit Dog (optimize with Cannai):
      • Meet with strong Dogs who might agree to join the Riftwar.
      • Be respectful. Be mindful we're nothing like Kakashi.
      • Emphasize the fight's importance.
        • Note our service to Dog (message-running) despite our war.
        • Opportunity to support the Alpha (so he isn't incapacitated for the Leopard war)
      • Accept refusals gracefully.
    • Prepare runic blanks for the assualts. Force Domes, Iron Earth, Air-Leadeners, Ninja Radars, a Superchiller (in secret).
    • Grind runic veterancy with leftover chakra.
      • Prioritize timeladdered ES checks until there is no need for rerolls on RER2s, then infusions for Force Dome, Ninja Radar, RER2 (ideally, until they can be timeladdered once).
      • Bury practice runes.
      • Test how much earth the Force-Dome chakra pillar pierces.
  • After Leaf arrives:
    • Plan the Moon assault with Tsunade, Orochimaru, and Mari.
      • Brief Tsunade on Hazou's runes.
        • If Mari agrees, mention she can genjutsu-lock multiple ninja.
      • Based on Leaf's forces and available chakra, optimize the battle plan.
      • Ideally, we trap the village with a Force Dome/Iron Earth combo, then send refilled Tsunade/Orochimaru/Mari SCs for capture. Runners are tracked and neutralized using a Ninja-Radar perimeter.
      • If anyone balks at mass murder, suggest we attack anonymously, or as a false-flag.
        • Could we avoid having to silence them this way?
  • Head to Moon and attack.
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faflec said:
@FaintlySorcerous Echoing support for the second bullet, if not both.
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@faflec if you're still interested in the subject there is now room in this plan for something along the lines of the second bullet point.
 
@Noumero made this suggestion on Discord and I think it's a good one

I think we should rename Superchillers to:

Rune That Makes the Local Temperature Very Low Which Somehow Causes Mass Destruction Which Hazou Discovered By Experimenting with the Elemental Mastery Technique Prompting Leaf to Destroy Isan to Prevent This WMD's Proliferation.
 
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Sir Stompy said:
I have no idea what is being referred to here
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_The_Bomb said:
@FaintlySorcerous is there any room in your plan for
  • Explicitly having Hazō use the "revenge on Kakashi's killer" angle while talking to his old summons.
  • Explicitly acknowledge that revealing Mari's mass-Genjutsu ability in front of Orochimaru is a massive sacrifice (because Mari would care a lot about this and Hazō has historically been really bad about considering OPSEC in situations like this)
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The second bullet point, sorry. Though, if we are going to attack Moon, acknowledging the potential use of Noburi's Mist Drain as well would be beneficial.
 
faflec said:
The second bullet point, sorry. Though, if we are going to attack Moon, acknowledging the potential use of Noburi's Mist Drain as well would be beneficial.
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I don't think his mist drain is even worth bringing up.

It's too slow, and too short range to be worth using compared to mass lock down and essie SCs

EDIT: The "massive sacrifice" seems overplayed here. We revealed *almost all* our runes to Orochimaru. This one special genjutsu of hers? He surely knows that such things exist. He's met Itachi. Her having one is not that special. His knowledge that she does have one is not particularly dangerous for her. I think this acknowledgement is performative.
 
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faflec said:
Fair enough. Would you still be willing to add acknowledging Mari's genjutsu in your plan?
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Sir Stompy said:
EDIT: The "massive sacrifice" seems overplayed here. We revealed *almost all* our runes to Orochimaru. This one special genjutsu of hers? He surely knows that such things exist. He's met Itachi. Her having one is not that special. His knowledge that she does have one is not particularly dangerous for her. I think this acknowledgement is performative
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Not a big fan. Why do you think it's so necessary? I would rather leave space in case people have additional ideas.
 
Paperclipped said:
"Incidentally," Orochimaru said, "I have realized that you likely wished to retain consciousness during the surgery in order to take imprints of the bioseals I was implanting. I do not readily share my work, yet it would be far more foolish for you to cut yourself open to take imprints without my presence – and I fully expect you to be capable of such foolishness. Maintenance is simpler than implantation, so when I next maintain the bioseals, I will permit you to take imprints of the bioseals then."
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Wow, he really wants us to go under his knife again.

Makes sense, as he knows we can probably remove all bioseals by dieing and then walking back out of the rift. He really wants to encourage us to come back again, and ultimately wants us relying on his bioseals and making a habitat of going under his knife.

This is good news, insomuch as it implies he's planning on longer-term cooperation, and it implies that he either hasn't installed malfeasant bioseals yet, or that they won't last without maintenance.

My main worry is that the hivemind will fall for it, and make a habit of submitting to Oro's knife, instead of purging the bioseals and moving on.
 
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Inferno Vulpix said:
maybe a few decades of breathing room will let Hazou cook up some other, more permanent solution!
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also the extinction timeline probabilities from the Nara were on the order of centuries if I recall. So Hazou's runes might not even be needed before he dies of old age, if the secret has not spread by then. And with the afterlife rift, dying from EM matters less.
 
roobee said:
also the extinction timeline probabilities from the Nara were on the order of centuries if I recall. So Hazou's runes might not even be needed before he dies of old age, if the secret has not spread by then. And with the afterlife rift, dying from EM matters less.
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Not really:
Paperclipped said:
"This is my attempt at a full projection of the future of civilization, made with all reasonable resources available to me as a Clan Head of Leaf. Additional time and information may improve accuracy dramatically, but this is, to my knowledge, our best analysis at the moment. As you can see, the total annihilation of civilization is almost certain within a hundred years, with the lion's share of the risk coming from Elemental Mastery. Other lines represent other sources of existential risk, such as the Dragons whose median risk is only the vaguest of guesses, Akatsuki who might somehow attempt another world-altering ritual, or some unknown factor which I am currently unaware of, a category whose purpose I had reason to doubt until the Dragons enlightened me. I am now certain there are plenty. Only the small line at the bottom includes civilization's survival in any form."
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