I'm mildly inclined against leaving an Uplift mark here as well. For the paranoia reasons, of course, but also because it's kind of... lame.

Like, there were some ancient ninja there before, who left their marks, for whatever reasons. Then the Sannin came and also left their marks. And now we do it too, because... why? Like, we wouldn't do it otherwise, if we didn't see the Sannin et al.'s markings. The idea wouldn't even occur to us. We came here to extract valuable resources. We have zero romantic feelings with regards to dungeon-diving, we do not feel wonder at the beauty of this natural miracle, nor a timeless connection to those who were here before us, nor a need to prove something to any hypothetical people who'd come here after us. If we do this, this wouldn't be because of some meaningful internal motivation; we'd just be doing it because everyone else is doing that too. Lame!

I do not feel the need to conform to some sort of acausal peer pressure. Ignore this nonsense, we're serious people here. 🗿
 
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If we do this, this wouldn't be because of some meaningful internal motivation; we'd just be doing it because everyone else is doing that too. Lame!
And we don't even know that everyone else is doing it! We only have records of the people who did go and leave a mark, there could be just as many, even ten times as many people who visited the cave and didn't leave a marking. What kind of peer pressure is that! Imagine if we gave in and left a mark because everyone else is doing it, only to later find that we actually just joined the club of niche weirdos who felt unnecessarily attached to leaving indentations in stone.

I propose, to sufficiently determine if we should leave an indentation or not, that we hold a study where we measure how many ninjas discover this cave over the next few decades and use that to determine the actual ratio of markers to non-markers. If it turns out that markers outweigh non-markers, only then can we allow ourselves to feel the peer pressure.
 
On the one hand, everyone in thread is right to say that it's a low risk zero reward thing, we're only considering it because peer pressure, etc.

But deep in my heart I want to put our mark up there next to Jiraiya's and it... it's sad, somehow, to give in to the paranoia and scuttle away. We're finally following up on a plot thread that connects across time to our lost family and we're just going to plunder it and move on silently in the night?

...You know as I typed that I came around. We're ninja dammit, of course we're here to plunder it and scuttle away. Jiraiya always was kind of an idiot.
 
I propose, to sufficiently determine if we should leave an indentation or not, that we hold a study where we measure how many ninjas discover this cave over the next few decades and use that to determine the actual ratio of markers to non-markers. If it turns out that markers outweigh non-markers, only then can we allow ourselves to feel the peer pressure.
Leave behind a post-grotto interaction survey
 
why the hell did we put 50 levels into earthshaping if we're not going to use it smh
You were hoping to be able to make runic substrate.

But deep in my heart I want to put our mark up there next to Jiraiya's and it... it's sad, somehow, to give in to the paranoia and scuttle away.
Ducking yes. All the this.

You know as I typed that I came around. We're ninja dammit, of course we're here to plunder it and scuttle away. Jiraiya always was kind of an idiot.
... Goddammit.


Gotta love how our corporate masters are okay with autocorrect offering "goddammit" but not okay offering "fuck", and refusing to allow the latter into the personalized learning dictionary.
 
[X] Action Plan: Chakra SCIENCE

I just wants to talk to the Team and the Toad Sages about the details to finding the Otter Scroll. Not making a Mark frees up WC.

@Sir Stompy , do what you want. But I want a Scroll some day.
 
I just wants to talk to the Team and the Toad Sages about the details to finding the Otter Scroll. Not making a Mark frees up WC.

@Sir Stompy , do what you want. But I want a Scroll some day
No it really does not, y'all are suggesting I cut 2 words and replace them with 50+, a whole-ass entire scene.

We can absolutely do this, next plan. If there's sufficient interest I mean.

I don't really get how the TS are supposed to help us get the Scroll. But again, there is no space for this, this plan.

There is also no time without expanding the number of days Hazou isn't making progress on research.
 
I was saying that I want to search for the Scroll after talking to the Team AND whatever help our Magic Elders are willing to offer.

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I don't really get how the TS are supposed to help us get the Scroll.

Magic. Lore. Who knows.

And I wasnt making any demands, just explaing why I voted other and not NO.

I did says some day.

Edit:The WC part was more about me not caring about the Mark, i guess that wasnt obvious. Sorry.
 
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