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And ARS are the sort you definitely don't want to do, since their efficacy works on there being so many of them, and slowing down production time has negative impacts for anything that isn't, like, a full prep final boss fight.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Come up with something Kei would find unpleasant but not truly harmful, ask her if she's willing to do whatever it takes to become stronger, if so tell her she will be subject to the consequence if she cannot complete some appropriately difficult leadership challenge with the other members of Team Uplift. (A workable unpleasant consequence and leadership challenge may not exist, I don't really know.)
The seal pouch itself should be impregnated with wax to waterproof it, I actually can't believe we don't do this already. I am legit confused as to why we don't. This is not a difficult concept even in 1000 AD.
As for RRBs, the force is applied to the foot, so it won't mess with an oil cloth sack around the sandal insert I don't think.
Same for SWs, we don't need them be waterproof themselves, just wrap the foot loosely in an oilcloth bag cinched at the ankle and you can run through clouds.
Actually it's a significant improvement over what we have now, the pursuit of Hidan was noticeably hindered by an inability to pursue through clouds
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How did we make waterproof backpacks? Perhaps those could be repurposed to our seal pouches.
I had a vague recollection of waterproofing skywalkers being tricky but not whether that applied to other seals.
If the straightforward option works on most seals, I guess I just think that some version of it should be SOP by now.
...though I do think a water-repulsion seal would be a decent side project if we ever get the slack for such things; a weak version might be easy and still help with things like this + make high-altitude skywalker use much safer*. (And a strong version that probably wouldn't be easy and we'd never get around to researching might work as a debuff to water jutsu targeting the wearer and therefore a good tool if one of our allies winds up fighting Kisame but I guess that's rather tenuous...)
* Not a priority, but I do also want to know just what the altitude ceiling is on skywalking in practice these days. Mostly out of curiosity, but it might spark some ideas.
If the straightforward option works on most seals, I guess I just think that some version of it should be SOP by now.
...though I do think a water-repulsion seal would be a decent side project if we ever get the slack for such things; a weak version might be easy and still help with things like this + make high-altitude skywalker use much safer*. (And a strong version that probably wouldn't be easy and we'd never get around to researching might work as a debuff to water jutsu targeting the wearer and therefore a good tool if one of our allies winds up fighting Kisame but I guess that's rather tenuous...)
* Not a priority, but I do also want to know just what the altitude ceiling is on skywalking in practice these days. Mostly out of curiosity, but it might spark some ideas.
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I hate to be a buzzkill but why risk this
What's the risk here? That someone figures out we were here? Why is that bad for us?
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Lets Hidan triangulate us better.
E: Besides, you were just saying in discord that you're low on wordcount...
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If they also observe the pool, it could give additional hints to our capabilities. IMO it is a very low risk, but I'm not sure why we should take it when there's nothing to be gained. (Yes I know it's kinda cool, but still.)
But I guess so long as it's sanity checked I'm OK with it staying in (will vote later)
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I have a mild moderately strong preference that it be removed. We're missing nin, and it marks a trail. It's also evidence that we were here, and leaves a hint at our capabilities.
With Hidan being bullshit a Jashin-blessed tracker, we can't rule out that the cave will remain secret forever, and signing our calling card on the ceiling is a dead giveaway.
Really, we should use ES to erase the evidence that the Sannin were ever here, too.
It means giving up a badass, cool narrative moment, sure, but it's also the smart thing that will help to keep us alive for longer.
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With Hidan being bullshit a Jashin-blessed tracker, we can't rule out that the cave will remain secret forever, and signing our calling card on the ceiling is a dead giveaway.
Really, we should use ES to erase the evidence that the Sannin were ever here, too.
It means giving up a badass, cool narrative moment, sure, but it's also the smart thing that will help to keep us alive for longer.
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- Texas
But this is a renewable source of unstagnations, seems wasteful.I guess to steelman, it'll still be a bit obvious we were here from all the explosions. I'm half of the opinion we should just collapse this whole place after we can replicate the effect anyways though
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now this is big brained
How does it do this? There is no trail if we use skywalkers.
I'll repeat myself from last time the topic came up- as of yet no one has named any specific pursuer we would consider a problem who would manage to track us to the cave and then also give up unless they saw a dog statue or etc. If someone can give me an explanation that a particular tracker is a legitimate threat and would in fact do exactly this while failing to notice all the explosions for reasons XYZ that make logical sense and seem more likely than a meteor randomly impacting and killing us all, then I will concede. Otherwise, I don't really care about sourceless paranoia.
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Cariyaga
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Hidan does not require a trail. But knowing where we were means that he knows his Jashin-dar isn't off.
Hidan has a blood-based tracking jutsu that works within several miles and from outside that range, maybe occasional hunches to walk in specific directions if he isn't busy doing something else. For me to consider leaving a signature to increase the risk of Hidan, you would have to demonstrate how either of these guide him to the cave after we leave (while we're here, the blood jutsu locates us regardless of ES signatures and after we leave the blood jutsu stops mattering) and demonstrate why Hidan would ever doubt his Jashin-dar at all in the first place (the greatest virtue is conviction).
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His Jashin-dar should guide him to Hazou, not to where Hazou was. So it is off if it does this.
Also how does this knowledge help him, exactly? He obviously isn't going to lose conviction over it.
I think some level of generalized paranoia is appropriate, if perhaps a low level - while Akatsuki are the main threat, Leaf is probably at least making a pro forma attempt at a hunt, and there are any number of other villages (and miscellaneous conspiracies) that would go after us for the intel in Hazō's head if they saw a chance.
Most of them presumably don't have any leads and aren't trying very hard so I'm not super worried about this overall, but there might be some unknown capabilities out there.
I don't really expect that in this case, but treating it as an ability with fixed rules, rather than a being helping him out, seems like an assumption that could bite us at some point.
Most of them presumably don't have any leads and aren't trying very hard so I'm not super worried about this overall, but there might be some unknown capabilities out there.
Not sure how all-knowing Jashin is, but wouldn't be overly surprised tries to lead Hidan where he needs to go to find a target, and that's usually where they are, but sometimes where they've left a fresh and conspicuous trail.
I don't really expect that in this case, but treating it as an ability with fixed rules, rather than a being helping him out, seems like an assumption that could bite us at some point.
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It does at least help him figure out if Jashin is going to favor Hazou over him, since it's happened in the past. FWIW I also think the risk factor is low, but the reward factor is 0 🗿
If someone asked you if you wanted a 0.1% chance to be shot in the head in exchange for nothing would you take it?
OTOH I am completely fine with people tracking us and running into Hidan again, sounds like fun.
[X] Training Plan Hazou: The Basics
[X] Action Plan: Chakra SCIENCE
How is Hazou doing this
Bragging rights
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
A couple thoughts I've had about the cave symbols:
- We see here a list not of every ninja who used this cave, but every ninja who used this cave and was persuaded by the markings to add markings of their own. It is probably perfectly normal, among the set of all cave-visitors, to not leave a marking.
- We can in theory just come back here after killing the Akatsuki and adding a marking then. I think a reasonable argument could be made that we won't, that even once circumstances change we won't go ahead and vote it in, but in theory we could.
- Unless we make our marking the Goketsu clan symbol or our actual faces or something, it's not going to be obvious that Team Uplift were the ones who last marked the wall. If we can figure out a symbol that's abstract/unrecognizable and yet still meaningful to Uplift, then there's no cost. Heck, we could take the opportunity to whip up an actual Uplift symbol, and then associate with it once we're back in Leaf.
I favor a smoking dog, myself, but I could see something like the character for Dusk or something. Although I don't really want to define Uplift in terms of opposing Akatsuki- we do oppose them, but it's a result of our core beliefs, not part of them.
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I was under the impression we were going to leave our own respective Summon symbols behind but I guess it's true that we could just do some other symbol that isn't necessarily associated with us