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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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How about a rune that is linked to particular Chakra signatures and immobilizes or hinders the movement of anyone in a specific aoe that isn't linked to those signatures?
 
Linking stuff to particular chakra signatures was said to be too difficult last time we tried it. No idea whether it's easier for runes. Also you probably want to describe how it's immobilizing/hindering movements.
 
DanZapman said:
Linking stuff to particular chakra signatures was said to be too difficult last time we tried it. No idea whether it's easier for runes. Also you probably want to describe how it's immobilizing/hindering movements.
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Might be easier with Minatosealing, since you're interacting more directly with chakra. And we know that Minato's Tailed Beast Seal interacts with Naruto's chakra coils.
 
Sir Stompy said:
Where is the knife here? We proposed an examination, not Oro cutting into Nobs. Nobs just assumed we meant that. We literally never said it.

Am I missing something? Is the implication that he's going to have to cut Nobs up to do this? Examination does not have connotations of surgery IMO
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DanZapman said:
I can back this up, for what it's worth- I've been medically examined a great many times for checkups and similar and I've only had one minor surgery in my life.
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped is it possible for us to get a quick ruling on this before voting closes? I think that there might be a disconnect between player expectations and Hazou expectations regarding what an "examination" is.

My understanding is that it's non-invasive, non-surgical. Is that correct?
 
Sir Stompy said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped is it possible for us to get a quick ruling on this before voting closes? I think that there might be a disconnect between player expectations and Hazou expectations regarding what an "examination" is.

My understanding is that it's non-invasive, non-surgical. Is that correct?
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Voting is closed, except for the Oro conversation, which fills me with an increasing amount of dread. "Fill four hours of conversation" is the kind of challenge that takes me weeks of preparation irl, even without having my hands locked inside the oven mitt control schema we use to control Hazopilot
 
Possible tweak to @Buggy 's Project: Ice Cube concept, hopefully making it both even easier to invent, and better at killing essies with minimal collateral damage. Rather than setting air temperature across the entire volume, rune creates what superficially appears to be a conventional air dome three zones wide - that is, there's a central zone which the rune is directly underneath (ideally it could be projected well above ground to catch fliers), then every zone adjacent to that is also inside. Air, or anything else which isn't already chakra-infused, gets set to 50 kelvin upon touching the inner surface of the dome. Contact from the outside has no particular effect.
Resulting bubble of solidified air is typically much more fragile than a normal air dome, like a delicate arch of ice or glass right on the brink of collapsing under its own weight... but breaking the ice won't shut it down. Desublimation continuously reduces air pressure inside, while also thickening the dome proportionately, thus supporting increasing pressure differential. Any large gap all at once (such as an overconfident essie ramming their fist through) results in momentary extreme winds launching anything near the breach into the center zone, with shockwave-induced vapor clouds blocking line-of-sight; by the time that would-be escapee is back in position, dome has hopefully re-sealed itself and built up enough pressure differential for another blast of knockback.
If somebody stays put inside, without extraordinary protections, they soon die of vacuum exposure. If they've got a continuously replenishing supply of air (and fluids, after pressure drops far enough to boil sweat and saliva), it'll keep getting condensed onto the walls until it entombs them, per Project: Ice Cube, or, if set high above ground, until the bubble's average density increases far enough beyond that of surrounding atmosphere to fall out of alignment with the rune's AoE, which (after their skywalkers or other reactionless flight system fails) would probably end up a bit like Raindrop if the raindrop were smaller, but heavily contaminated with nitroglycerin.
Shutting the rune off - with a built-in toggle, or through some S-rank cheaty effect - means thermal stress pops the bubble, atmospheric pressure hammers everything into the center, then compression heating sets off the exploding ice, possibly with just enough delay to count as two separate high-TN attacks. However, the fact it's not constantly pulling in more air from outside during normal operation (then needing to expel it all), should mean minimal impact on surrounding weather. Just a thunderclap as pressure equalizes, and any residual fragments of weird ice tracelessly disintegrating in a manner which could reasonably be mistaken for more conventional chakra-construct materials.
 
Sir Stompy said:
[X] A Conversation with Uncle Oro
Word Count: RIP in pieces
  • Noburi
    • Sanity check with Kei/Mari
      • Explain Hazou's reasoning
        • Kabuto has previously examined Noburi and has likely passed the information to Orochimaru, so this is likely not very novel to him
        • Orochimaru currently is constrained to stay on Hazou's good side for as long as Hazou is teaching him.
        • Orochimaru very possibly kidnapped the senior Wakahis piscitist. So he has already had access to the Wakahisa bloodline
        • If after listening to this Kei/Mari think Hazou is crazy, do not proceed.
        • If they think Hazou is being reasonable, have Mari approach Noburi alone and explain the group's reasoning.
        • Leave the decision up to him, but make it clear that we think he'd benefit.
    • If he's still reluctant to let Orochimaru examine him, have Mari ask...
      • Would Noburi be okay with Kabuto doing the exam instead or Orochimaru?
      • If not, ask Noburi to try to figure out how to combine WW+Chakra Scalpels himself
  • Orochimaru
    • Oro's little asides during PS training are good indicators of his overall mindset. Consider them, and try to see things from his perspective.
    • Initial tone: collaboration between peers.
    • Clarify that PS is now called Runecrafting.
      • Ask what initial ideas he wants to pursue with runes.
      • Share our own possible short-medium term plans.
        • Storage Runes - Progress towards GS.
        • Air Dome Runes - Compound or city level defenses
        • 5SB Rune - Vastly scaled up effect? Supports that are harder to damage?
      • Has your plan changed from complete replacement of the GS after learning runecrafting?
      • Acknowledge that we have not yet done much runic research
        • Akatsuki have a habit of dropping by unannounced...
        • Does he have any suggestions to mitigate this leak risk?
    • Secondary tone: Comtemplative
    • Hazou has been continuing to think on bloodlines. Some, like the Five, seem to operate as a seal on cognitive fragments of the Tenfold Abomination
    • Somehow the Sage and his allies not only split and sealed a mind, but made the seals hereditary.
    • The obvious next thought is that bloodlines operate the same way, as seals on smaller fragments designed by the Sage, yet that can't be right.
      • Deviant bloodlines exist, like the mongrel Iron Nerve.
        • As an aside, would deviant bloodlines reject a transplant of the original the same way they would an unrelated bloodline? (e.g. Minami with Byakugan, Kurosawa with Sharingan). Hazou is asking for no particular reason.
      • And how does that explain the existence of the expanded Elemental palette some bloodline users have access to. Like the Temuri Clan and their Lava Element.
    • We know the Summon clans have access to many more elements than humans. Several Summons have said it is consequence of the Nature chakra of the Seventh Path. But some humans can use those Elements.
    • Is their bloodline then the ability to use some nature chakra of the Human path?
      • We know that the Nara at least, have access to Yin element training. Which is learnable by those without the Nara bloodline.
      • This seems to imply that some humans can use nature chakra, perhaps not as naturally as those of the Seventh Path, but with some training. Is that right?
      • Regardless, is it necessary to learn nature chakra manipulation to TH jutsu from the Seventh Path? We have long suspected that your snake-like body modifications are to allow you to cast Snake Clan jutsu more readily.
  • For someone who proclaims themselves antisocial you've seemingly had several students.
    • Kabuto and Anko at the least
    • Do you like teaching, or is it pure pragmatism, hand-crafting useful assistants?
  • If Noburi consented, request Oro/Kabuto's time to perform an examination of Noburi for the purpose of combining chakra scalpels and water whip.
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Okay many words added, incorporated a lot from your plan @ProperAttorney

@Shrooms Major edits, just FYI

This will need some trimming, but I like how it's shaping up. Plz ping for feedback
 
Sir Stompy said:
Okay many words added, incorporated a lot from your plan @ProperAttorney

@Shrooms Major edits, just FYI

This will need some trimming, but I like how it's shaping up. Plz ping for feedback
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I worry about pointing out the Yin nature stuff with the Nara. It was a slip of the tongue from Snowflake and has otherwise been kept very secret. Talking about Lava element is likely enough to make the point.
 
Sir Stompy said:
[X] A Conversation with Uncle Oro
Word Count: 595
  • Sanity check all with Mari, overall aim to interest Orochimaru. Don't approach this as a scattershot conversation.
  • Orochimaru
    • Oro's little asides during PS training are good indicators of his overall mindset. Consider them, and try to see things from his perspective.
    • Initial tone: a collaboration between peers.
    • Clarify that PS is now called Runecrafting.
      • Ask him what initial ideas he intends to pursue with runes.
      • Only if he seems interested, share our own possible short-medium term plans. Avoid blathering
        • Storage Runes - Progress towards GS.
        • Air Dome Runes - Compound or city level defenses
        • 5SB Rune - Vastly scaled up effect? Supports that are harder to damage?
        • It's fair to call this derivative work - and it is, but we're exploring a completely new discipline.
      • Has your plan changed from complete replacement of the GS after learning runecrafting?
      • Acknowledge that we have not yet done much runic research
        • Akatsuki have a habit of dropping by unannounced...
        • Does he have any suggestions to mitigate the leak risk?
    • Despite self-describing as antisocial you've had at least a couple students.
      • Kabuto and Anko at least
      • Do you enjoy teaching? Or is it pure pragmatism, the hand-crafting of useful assistants?
      • What is your philosophy of teaching the next generation? You've said before that you think that secrets and power are for those who earn them. Not the bureaucrats in the rear, a reasonable philosophy.
        • Yet without someone to point the way at least, much counterproductive flailing is likely to result.
    • Secondary tone: Contemplative - keep in mind Oro's answer to the previous question, don't ask questions that Hazou suspects will annoy him.
    • Hazou has been continuing to think on bloodlines. Some, like the Five, seem to operate as a sort of seal on the cognitive fragments of the Tenfold Abomination. There's a reason that Hazou was warned that none of the Five clans must ever die out to the last.
    • The obvious next thought is that other bloodlines operate the same way, seals on smaller fragments of the TA, or other entities, designed by the Sage, yet that can't be completely right.
      • Deviant bloodlines exist, like the mongrel Iron Nerve.
        • As an aside, in his estimation, would deviant bloodlines reject a transplant of the original bloodline the same way they would an unrelated bloodline? (e.g. Minami with Byakugan, Kurosawa with Sharingan).
      • And how does that explain the existence of the expanded Elemental palette some bloodline users have access to? Like the Terumi Clan and their Lava Element. It seems to b a common thread across many bloodlines.
    • We know the Summon clans have access to many more elements than humans, including some accessible only by certain bloodlines. Multiple Summon authorities have said it is consequence of the nature chakra of the Seventh Path.
      • Yet some humans can use those same elements, so it cannot be exclusive to the Seventh Path
    • Then their bloodline is the ability to use (perhaps partially?) the nature chakra of the Human path?
      • Yet we have it on reputable authority, that there are additional elements than the five in common use, that are themselves learnable by ninja other than those of the clan that primarily uses them.
      • This seems to imply that some humans can be trained to use nature chakra, perhaps not as naturally as those of the Seventh Path, but with some effort. Is that correct?
      • Regardless, is it necessary to learn nature chakra manipulation to TH jutsu from the Seventh Path? We have long suspected that your snake-like body modifications are (at least in part) necessary to allow you to cast Snake Clan jutsu more readily.
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Okay, I'm not locking this in yet. But this should be representative of its final form. Cut the Noburi section. Expanded some others. Will take a bit off and come back in a half hour or so. Plz ping w/ feedback
 
Sir Stompy said:
  • Regardless, is it necessary to learn nature chakra manipulation to TH jutsu from the Seventh Path? We have long suspected that your snake-like body modifications are (at least in part) necessary to allow you to cast Snake Clan jutsu more readily.
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We may want to expand on this, to "show our work," so to speak. Otherwise Orochimaru is liable to sneer at us. However, if we explain the data that our hypothesis comes from, then Orochimaru is at least willing to soften his judgement with "not an unreasonable conclusion, given the limited data. Still wrong, though."

Perhaps...

  • Regardless, is it necessary to learn nature chakra manipulation to Hack Seventh Path ninjutsu? We've had difficulty learning Dog Ninjutsu due to anatomical differences, and hypothesize that some of your bodily modifications might've been (partially) necessary to allow you to better cast Snake Ninjutsu.

This changes "suspect" to "hypothesize," which has a more academic tone. Given ninja culture, "suspect" is likely to carry certain aggressive connotations that will make Orochimaru think we're gunning for his Secret Lore, instead of genuinely discussing the minutae of interdimensional chakra theory, like we are.
 
Oro's little asides during PS training are good indicators of his overall mindset. Consider them, and try to see things from his perspective
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"Try to see things" is not actionable. "Avoid endorsing or defending establishments without considering their merit" might be more specific (if less broadly relevant).

Despite self-describing as antisocial you've had at least a couple students.
Kabuto and Anko at least
Do you enjoy teaching? Or is it pure pragmatism, the hand-crafting of useful assistants?
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Im not sure I care about what Oro "enjoys" but I'd support asking him what made his most successful / useful students stand out.
 
eaglejarl said:
"Haven't you had issues with that?" Snowflake asked. "You said that the two paired seals are activated at slightly different times and in unpredictable order. The lag stacks up across the chain and sometimes something later in the chain ends up activating before something earlier."

"Yeah, but with only a few seals in the chain it should be fine." He chuckled. "Actually, the real problem is that with only a few seals it activates them all basically at the same time. I want them to go off in sequence, each one pushing me after the one before it has finished. Keep the leap going longer."
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This failed to be more useful than one pair of RBs but was Kei right about how it failed? Did some RBs destroy other RBs or did they all activate but not push better than one pair?
eaglejarl said:
"The delay in seal activation is too long," she said, taking the weapon. "You would have been better off moving normally."
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Did we try not using MARS? Activating RBs on palms or other slots in CHAOS suit directly for no delay? Supplemental is a supplemental.
 
RandomOTP said:
Regardless, is it necessary to learn nature chakra manipulation to Hack Seventh Path ninjutsu? We've had difficulty learning Dog Ninjutsu due to anatomical differences, and hypothesize that some of your bodily modifications might've been (partially) necessary to allow you to better cast Snake Ninjutsu.
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Sounds good, I'll implement
Zampano said:
"Try to see things" is not actionable. "Avoid endorsing or defending establishments without considering their merit" might be more specific (if less broadly relevant).
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It's not supposed to be an action, but a mindset... I don't really get what you're asking here. But I'll see if I can cook up a rephrase
Zampano said:
Im not sure I care about what Oro "enjoys" but I'd support asking him what made his most successful / useful students stand out.
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I do care about what Oro enjoys.

Regardless, asking him what makes his most successful students stand out is a good idea.
 
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