Well, Shit.
[X] Action Plan: Yuno/Jashin
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[X] Action Plan: Exploring Viability
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
[X] Action Plan: Yuno/Jashin
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[X] Action Plan: Exploring Viability
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Yuno is in some ways more unpredictable simply due to us still lacking context for how she'll react due to Isanese culture, but otherwise yeah, it comes off as... icky.
Goo Bombs roll max(60, Creator's Sealing) vs Ath. So if a Sealing 40 chunin sealmaster reverse engineers them, their GBs will roll 40. But it tops out at 60.
- Location
- Pacific standard
Goo bombs are Max(60|sealing)
I've added a few items to this list, and will be keeping it updated to help us keep track of what we need to do (link in my signature). I encourage my fellow timeskip partisans to pitch in if they think anything is missing. I believe that with focused effort we can initiate a timeskip within 4-6 updates.
Mostly looks good, thank you for tracking this. I'd be careful to avoid bloating the list and delaying the timeskip.
Why do you think bringing Kagome in on FOOM or giving him SC is a good idea?
Do you have a reason think he won't leak these secrets into public knowledge withing a fortnight? Or do you find that an acceptable cost for getting Kagome SC?
I've seen a few players mention this, can anyone link me to an explanation of the thinking?
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I'm not sure if telling him how to FOOM is a good idea, but I think getting him clearance to use SC would be fine, and probably quite useful. It's not as if he's going to accidentally blurt out the detailed instructions on how to use the jutsu.
Who told us? When?
Mari probably, but like it's Kagome, so he'd be literally shouting at everyone he passed in the hall that if they saw a SECOND Kagome that the EVIL LUPCHANZEN were playing their sick, TWISTED, games. And never to mind.
- Location
- Fifth Dimension
Reminder that Kagome literally knows everything about SC, except the actual jutsu.
Rafin sums up my position. Jashin is a willing partner with whom we have common interests. It's Hidan I think is the problem, not necessarily Jashin Himself. We want Jashin to continue to support us, which implies we should be prepared to compromise sometimes. Although we also have red lines.
I think we can interpret Velorien's 'believing' as 'devotion'. His benchmark are devotees like Yuno and Hidan. They would make significant sacrifices in order to please Jashin, presumably. As I understand it, Hazou would not. Well, perhaps once under S-rank duress; probably not more.
Which is why reframing our potential devotion to Jashin is important, if devotion to Jashin's attractive to the hivemind. It might work if Hazou's devoted to Jashin by virtue of the birth aspect only: Hazou believes Hidan is interpreting Jashin wrongly, as indiscriminate massacres are not in Jashin's interests. This path lay Schism and conflict with Hidan, but tbh conflict's a forgone conclusion anyway.
Yuno was willing to listen to our arguments, which leads me to believe her psychopathy can be guided. She is open to us, and if we understand her better, we can make sure she stays satisfied and doesn't go too far.
When can he/we ever?
I don't think anyone will take Yuno seriously, or perhaps they will feel concerned for her. Noburi will probably be in a bind, and may have to do another Couple Counseling with Pa and Ma.
Yuno, though? How would she feel if no one cares about what she really cares about? Again, Yuno feels isolated and misunderstood; if she had had ANYONE who understood her as much as Hidan, then her conversion might have happened differently. She probably needs someone she can talk with openly, without judgement, so she can feel normal. How do we provide that? Could Noburi manage that?
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Given that we are above 300 words, does it make sense to extend the duration of the plan a bit and do some sealing research? I think this addresses our most immediate concerns. And I would be fine timeskipping a week or two to finish MS8 and RBs.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Agreed. For one it's offloading planning to NPCs. It's honestly more of a placeholder to do the bare minimum if we collectively don't have any better ideas. Nonetheless it is hard balancing QM enjoyment with concrete IC consequences. I'd say that it's worth the XP hit in this case, but QM enjoyment isn't about XP. XP is supposed to just be an additional incentive to keep the Quest fun for those who put the most work in.
I want to mention that "If Mari agrees" is supposed to be a deliberate out from having to write those sub-meetings. And I feel like at least some of those meetings have stakes? Though I might be misunderstanding what kinds of stakes are stake-y enough.
Hazō literally ignores doing obvious communication stuff if unprompted. Sometimes he even fails if prompted in a plan. Recent example: Not talking to Kei about the Jiraiya scrying experiment.
But yeah, maybe "Hazō-pilot takes care of the Yuno problem with the help of the family" is a valid write-in. @eaglejarl What do you say? Is it?
This is much more beautifully put than my own awkward attempts to say the same. Thank you. Jashin as a potential partner, not Jashin as a source of morality and meaning or Jashin as an object to exploit.
I didn't include that because I'm not sure we're allowed. It would involve timeline shenanigans, due to the previous plan covering two days, with sealing after the beast hunting mission.
@eaglejarl et al, what say you. Rushing to Noburi to warn him and apologize might be more fun than meetings about how to salvage the situation 24+ hours later.
If Hazō actually believes that Jashin aligns fully with Hazō and that Hidan is just wrong about most of his own religion, based just on winning a few games of chance, then Hazō is wholly and self-servingly deluded. I'd rather not deliberately make our MC an idiot.
This is not a monotheist world. There is no reason to treat Jashin like modern liberal monotheists treat their own scripture. As far as we know Jashin is a real and concrete entity working within what passes as the laws of physics, with its own wants and limitations. Just like the Sage of Six Paths was. And we sure as hell don't get angry with Kagome for blasphemy just because we have aligned ourselves with the Will of Fire either.
In any case, we also have to be honest that a god of mass murder can only ever be an ally of Uplift in the short to medium term. Because in our utopian vision of the future there are supposed to be no more wars and no more death penalties. And probably no painful terminal illnesses or legal maximum age limits either. This is an irreconcilable philosophical difference we have with Yuno, because the murder is what attracted her to the religion in the first place. But it doesn't have to be a practically insurmountable difference, because eliminating all state sanctioned murder is still far off from our priority list.
I would prefer to keep the update relatively short so that we have time to respond if it looks like the Yuno situation needs a finer touch.
- Location
- Europe
[X] Interlude: Legitimately Anything Wholesome. The Last Few Weeks' Updates Have Been Stressful AF
[X] [Jashin] Jashin is a real and powerful entity that has legitimately chosen us to carry out Uplift. We're going along for the ride because we intend to Uplift anyways, and Jashin is more than welcome to support that.
[X] Interlude: Kakuzu and Kagome have a talk
And for that Asuma (who is also the Sage and/or lupachanzed) wiped them out.
Kagome was right all along.
[X] [Jashin] Jashin is a real and powerful entity that has legitimately chosen us to carry out Uplift. We're going along for the ride because we intend to Uplift anyways, and Jashin is more than welcome to support that.
[X] Interlude: Kakuzu and Kagome have a talk
And for that Asuma (who is also the Sage and/or lupachanzed) wiped them out.
Kagome was right all along.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
PSA: This update will be an interlude.
It's a short voting cycle and there's important political stuff going on. Also, through a combination of things that was 95% poor choices of bedtime on my part but very slightly trouble getting to sleep and therefore I'm focusing on the latter in order to escape blame, I ended up with less than 5 hours sleep and can predict that this will not be a good writing weekend.
Which is a shame because I was super excited to write the doping experiment.
It's a short voting cycle and there's important political stuff going on. Also, through a combination of things that was 95% poor choices of bedtime on my part but very slightly trouble getting to sleep and therefore I'm focusing on the latter in order to escape blame, I ended up with less than 5 hours sleep and can predict that this will not be a good writing weekend.
Which is a shame because I was super excited to write the doping experiment.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Nope, that's fine. @Velorien has actually already updated it, and the other training plan that was voted in. Thanks for the reminder.
[X] Whatever EJ wants to write, we trust him.
- Location
- Book Fort
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- They/Them
God, this, honestly. We've been rushing between fires since before Akane died. Arguably before even the EM Nuke experiment, but definitely after.
- Location
- The Void
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- She/Her
Man my brain has to be so weird. Cause I have literally the opposite feeling. Basically nothing has happened and we've mostly just been spinning our wheels waiting to grind sealing and FOOM XP
- Location
- Texas
[X] The βetter Hazō