Re: getting other nations scents for Canvass.
I hate to say it, but surely there's stored bodies of ninja from other nations somewhere in Leaf. If no one else, Orochimaru has likely put his research into storage seals for later possible use.
 
Kagome tells you that the Fourth's seals so far are all tough but managable. He recommends that you use full prep days
Has Kagome ever said anything other than this about a new seal?

Hey this is really cool. It means we can hot load multiple Rocket Boots and pop them off on our turns as a Supplemental without activating them all at once. Or better yet, research CATEARS and get infinite free action Rocket Boots.

The problem with loading multiple Rocket Boots is that pulsing CA activates the whole stack. This would allow us to get around that and activate them one at a time.

In light of this, rather than research RRBs after RBs. I think we should do CATEARS. That will allow us to get prrrooobably 2-3 uses of RBs in one fight. And it's a chunin-level seal.

The first time we try use it on a enemy turn would be a CA activation and that would activate the rest of the hot-loaded RBs, but this is potentially useful.
 
In light of this, rather than research RRBs after RBs. I think we should do CATEARS. That will allow us to get prrrooobably 2-3 uses of RBs in one fight. And it's a chunin-level seal.
It brings me joy to hear that CATEARS might finally be made. Research there should be quick, they're so similar to ARS that veterancy should give a huge discount.
 
If you put Noburi on it full-time (i.e. told him to stop working at the hospital), he could read two sets of notes and also benefit from his ACE training.
Given this information, I would like to ask Noburi if he would be willing to take a week or two off from the Hospital to study the Orochimaru Notes. It's free medical XP and would be a longterm investment in his abilities as a Medic.

My guess would be that Noburi wouldn't be too happy, but that he would do it. Leaf isn't at war, so the pressing demand for Noburi's help in the Hospital is somewhat reduced. Noburi would still feel bad about it, but it's my belief that he would do it.
 
If they are gaslighting Hazou, then an Empathy attack vs Kei could reveal it.
I'm okay with bringing this into social combat. Hazou has eff 22 Empathy right now, and Kei has Deceit 10.

Kei has 6 FP right now, and could try to Invoke like crazy to succeed... but we could always buy some FP right before the social combat to even that particular playing field.
 
I'm okay with bringing this into social combat. Hazou has eff 22 Empathy right now, and Kei has Deceit 10.

Kei has 6 FP right now, and could try to Invoke like crazy to succeed... but we could always buy some FP right before the social combat to even that particular playing field.
While I have no doubt Hazou can steamroll Kei and Snow socially, Mari can get him in turn. So if there's collusion (and there probably is) Mari is gonna maneuver the conversion away from Hazou using his socials against Kei and towards using then against her. Which is no contest.
 
While I have no doubt Hazou can steamroll Kei and Snow socially, Mari can get him in turn. So if there's collusion (and there probably is) Mari is gonna maneuver the conversion away from Hazou using his socials against Kei and towards using then against her. Which is no contest.

How, though? Hazou is on the offensive, he can choose his target. The way she would stop him from doing that is by distracting him from realising that trying to figure Kei out is an option.

Frankly, if they are gaslighting Hazou, then they should already have been rolling Deceit against him, and while I don't doubt Mari can ace that roll, Kei and Snow should have been given a chance to flub it.
 
Ah, I've made a mistake in the distances.

The tracking team didn't go directly from the infil/exfil to TA's camp. They made a sort of triangle from the infil/exfil to somewhere between the camp and Leaf, to the camp, and then back to the infil/exfil zone.

I bring this up because the attackers were already noted to have traveled further/faster than normal ninja can when the assumption was a straight line from the infil/exfil to and from the camp.

This means they traveled even farther that day, to an amount we don't really see as it leaves ninja too vulnerable to chakra beasts.
 
Given this information, I would like to ask Noburi if he would be willing to take a week or two off from the Hospital to study the Orochimaru Notes. It's free medical XP and would be a longterm investment in his abilities as a Medic.

My guess would be that Noburi wouldn't be too happy, but that he would do it. Leaf isn't at war, so the pressing demand for Noburi's help in the Hospital is somewhat reduced. Noburi would still feel bad about it, but it's my belief that he would do it.
I'd almost rather he just do ACE and one set of notes, and just work reduced hours at the hospital. They're so not busy that Tsunade left to be more useful somewhere else, and on days where the hospital does need him he could forgo the notes, but being there part time would still let him help out.

And one set of notes at a time is fine because he's not doing shit for the next few months lmao
 
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If we are being gaslit, I personally dont want to know. If we trust these people enough to constantly do sanity checks, we should trust them to know when we are better off not knowing something, at least for now. Its why I like crunbum's plan.
 
Let's make that Onion Drive some day, too.
I know you meant 'Orion' Drive, but I'm loving the image of either The Onion (satire site/channel) talking about the new spaceship engine or an actual spaceship engine that is somehow powered by onions.

QMs have confirmed on Discord, in thread, and in conversations I've had with them privately that they often do not find sanity checks fun. (QMs, please let me know if I'm misrepresenting your words/feelings: I am specifically stating that you often do not find them fun and am not commenting on whether or not you think there are better ways to write plans, whether you think they're a good idea generally, etc.)
That's...not wrong, but for me it's more nuanced. Sanity checks are intended to be "act appropriately based on information and opinions that the the characters should have but the players wouldn't, such as knowledge of culture and expectations." There's a tension there between reasonable application of character knowledge and the QM solving the players' problems for them. The whole point of this quest is to give the players maximum agency so that their triumphs can be sweeter because the potential for defeat exists. Every time a fraught situation comes up that might have negative consequences, or even simply mixed consequences, we need to weigh whether or not this is something that the NPCs would solve for you. NPC agency has been an oft-visited debate in QM channels literally since the quest started, and sanity checks tend to stir it up.
 
[X] Action Plan: Let's Run Those Numbers Again

I prefer not to drop the topic entirely and that's the only plan that doesn't that has any votes, so.
 
That's...not wrong, but for me it's more nuanced. Sanity checks are intended to be "act appropriately based on information and opinions that the the characters should have but the players wouldn't, such as knowledge of culture and expectations." There's a tension there between reasonable application of character knowledge and the QM solving the players' problems for them. The whole point of this quest is to give the players maximum agency so that their triumphs can be sweeter because the potential for defeat exists. Every time a fraught situation comes up that might have negative consequences, or even simply mixed consequences, we need to weigh whether or not this is something that the NPCs would solve for you. NPC agency has been an oft-visited debate in QM channels literally since the quest started, and sanity checks tend to stir it up.
For what it's worth, I personally do not like sanity checks... but I don't think it makes sense to stop using them the way things are. I would be more willing to go without them, but it seems inevitable that if we don't have them, it only takes one poorly phrased or vague line of a plan to have Hazou revealing important secrets or have us committing a faux pas we didn't know was a faux pas. Like, faflec's comment here:
I am perfectly willing to retain my title as the paranoid lunatic if it keeps preventable catastrophes away.
is honestly perfectly reasonable because I can totally imagine Hazou causing some kind of social catastrophe from a throwaway line about giving the proctor a gift. Hence we just run everything by sanity checkers every time to avoid things like that. Even though Hazou has the highest Deceit in Uplift barring Mari, he can't help but blurt out important secrets if we don't sanity check 24/7 because players are imperfect and miss things that can be interpreted in ways we don't want. And I totally understand that QMs want consequences to emerge from player plans/decisionmaking, but like honestly, having massive issues arise from small instances of bad wording instead of the plan as a whole being a bad approach is just not super engaging for me. I suspect it could be part of why it's sort of rare plans do anything risky or bombastic most of the time. We fail before the main thrust of such schemes even gets to be tested.

My favorite anti-example of this was Hazoupilot realizing he was annoying Orochimaru with an Empathy check and changing tacks. That was socially aware of him, but against a less straightforward personality he might not have caught it, and had we failed, we would know we could avoid similar future scenarios by improving his Empathy. And the problem arose in the first place because our plan/approach as a whole was very flawed for the type of person we were interacting with, not some one-off line that needed a bit more time in the oven. If we flubbed the conversation it felt 100% like we just concocted a bad plan for the situation. Rather than like, "the plan was mostly fine except this one phrase that a sanity checker would have caught ended up screwing up the rest of it."

I think how it plays out narratively could be a factor in our devotion to sanity checking as well. For example maybe next time there's a line that may give up a secret we don't want to give up, Hazou could realize he was about to slip up and cover himself with a Deceit check or something to play it off. And against a more suave opponent they could still piece the truth together as our 'failure', rather than Hazou just dumping classified info like a kid who never graduated from Enforce the Village Military Hierarchy Academy. The end result (Hazou accidentally revealed an important secret) is the same but they feel much different. (EDIT: I just realized Hazou basically did this with Shino recently. And it was great! More things like that please.)

In the case of the gift, I feel like as things usually are, we would include that in the plan and if there was no sanity check, Hazou might make that proctor's whole clan hate him somehow ("How dare you insult how poor we are!") or think he's embarrassing or something, or he might become BFFs with them, and there's not really a way for me to be sure ahead of time which outcome would happen because the players don't know anything about gift giving culture and Hazou seemingly can't make these decisions on his own initiative unless he runs it by everyone else. But then it's a massive headache for the QMs to need to answer all these kinds of questions in advance and chart out like, the history of gift giving in Leaf in the context of test administration, just so we can add that small detail. So it gets sanity checked, despite how minimal it is. But if Hazou could just make, like, an Empathy 10 (Average) check or something to determine "is this a thing normal people do in this situation" and we don't need to worry about it, then I think Sanity Checks would be seen far less as necessary.

And I definitely don't want QMs to solve the problems for us because that does take the fun out of it for everyone, but the aforementioned chance of severe punishment sorta leads us there sometimes.
 
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[X] Action Plan: Let's Run Those Numbers Again
[X] Action Plan: Let's Run Those Numbers Again
I suggest adding a section like the following:
  • Mindset: Examine the evidence soberly. Avoid furiously rationalizing why there must be a conspiracy; but don't dismiss the idea at the slightest pushback if there are still inconsistencies you don't understand.
    • Concern: Mari/Kei/Snowflake may be trying to get you off the track, because they expect you to react badly to the truth.
    • If so, and you manage to get to the truth, don't live down to these expectations. Remain collected.
 
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suggest adding a section like the following:
  • Mindset: Examine the evidence soberly. Avoid furiously rationalizing why there must be a conspiracy; but don't dismiss the idea at the slightest pushback if there are still inconsistencies you don't understand.
    • Concern: Mari/Kei/Snowflake may be trying to get you off the track, because they expect you to react badly to the truth.
    • If so, and you manage to get to the truth, don't live down to these expectations. Remain collected.
Sure, seems like a good idea. Added it, although I may trim it down later for wordcount.
 
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