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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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Either this was too terrible for further words, or too effective to be spoken.
Either way... to the chart.
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[X] Give Hinata and Shino post-interaction surveys
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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Look, if Hinata's two options to stop him from flirting more are to advance Social Links with Hazo and open up her Route, or close off her Route and risk him go gallivanting off to destroy the Leaf economy without her input, the course is clear...
The conservative bloc will plan another assassination soon.
The conservative bloc will plan another assassination soon.
[X] Action Plan: To Speak in Vain to Silent Ash
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[X] Action Plan: To Speak in Vain to Silent Ash
@_The_Bomb my first changes would be a more investigative, non-accusatory tone, and being more careful in our assertions/assumptions. For example: we don't *know* that [a capture team was camped on the border], but it does seem quite possible, and we need to talk about it.
Also, keep Noburi the hell away from this. do NOT randomly read people in on EM nukes unless absolutely necessary. If those get out, in *any* way, it probably result in the end of the bloody world. Unless he adds something literally critical, telling him is a really bad plan. plan
(Sorry for tone, I think you're cool and don't mean to be rude, but I felt the need to emphasize this point, and couldn't find a better way.)
"To Speak in Vain to Silent Ash" does this quite well, while otherwise remaining the same plan, so I'll address it for the rest of this post
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I think EJ gave their blessing to put the timeline bit in a separate post and make the word "timeline" link to it. @Inferno Vulpix and @acidshill would be good people to check the timeline over, and make sure we didn't miss anything.
I really don't think Ruka was personally masterminding and initiating a treason plot that requires foreign collaborators. If someone did manipulate the tower to manipulate Akanae's mission, I think Ruka is pretty likely to be the catspaw that was used. I find this distinction important.
IIRC, Kei and Snowflake aren't cleared to know about EM nukes, but totally do. I think they belong in this meeting.
I expect Shikamaru be *at least* as capable of noticing the implications of the timeline as we are, and I expect him to care enormously about those implications, but it seems like he's never brought it up. Why not? There are innocent explanations, but this is suspicious.
I think our culprit list is something like:
Asuma(with Shikamaru, with possible Ruka catspaw)
Shkiamaru(with possible Ruka catspaw)
Unknown foreign actor (with possible Ruka catspaw)
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A clan is an extended family. You don't adopt people in for the tax benefit just as you don't marry for the tax benefit.
It would also makes clans basically meaningless.
Dark thought: Kei also seems like she should have noticed the timeline's implications. If so, she never mentions it to Hazou. this implies one of:
We're totally off the mark about the timeline or implications, for some obvious reason we haven't though of.
She realized it potentially implies Shikamaru's involvement, and talked to him first. Whatever was said between them, she decided not to talk to Hazou.
This isn't very actionable, but is worth bearing in mind.
We do have 28 Deceit to Kei's 10, and Mari is in the room, so that might help us notice if Kei does know something.
We're totally off the mark about the timeline or implications, for some obvious reason we haven't though of.
She realized it potentially implies Shikamaru's involvement, and talked to him first. Whatever was said between them, she decided not to talk to Hazou.
This isn't very actionable, but is worth bearing in mind.
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Cariyaga
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Social rolls aren't made between family because otherwise we may as well let Mari run the clan because she can (and will) convince us to do whatever she wants.
Thanks! I didn't know that, but that makes a lot of sense!
Also,
[X] Action Plan: To Speak in Vain to Silent Ash
[X] Give Hinata and Shino post-interaction surveys
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I did for my update, but you should check with @Velorien that he's okay with it for this update.
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Where are we with informing the Nara of all this? I'm pretty sure Kei knows all about this due to being included in sanity checks, but does she know what she can tell her husband? Mind, this would probably trickle down soon enough from Ino, but that shouldn't be the source Shikamaru gets it from, let alone accidentally (on our part).
Edit: In fact I'd hope that our sanity checkers would have caught us accidentally leaving out the Nara even as we inform three other Clans of there being a large large source of gemstones.
Edit: In fact I'd hope that our sanity checkers would have caught us accidentally leaving out the Nara even as we inform three other Clans of there being a large large source of gemstones.
Not with heaps of free money that they can use in legal economic warfare against their rivals.
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Minami Nikko died protecting us, that probably counts too. The Minami are the clan that split of the Hyuuga and were almost killed for that, so yeah they have a good reason to hold a grude. On the other hand Hinata and Neji have probably better thigns to do than to hate some relatives.
(But the Minami might also produce Byakugans, like the Kurosawa produce Sharigans, so yeah, Hyuuga anger isn't 100% unjustified, just mostly)
Ultimately it was us who found the Porcupine scroll and made the Trade Network, so they are probably not going to start a crusade. Mari, Ino and Shino didn't stop us or comment, so I doubt that this is going to a big problem.
But we should keep other clan relations a bit in mind and not declare victory.
[X] Action Plan: To Speak in Vain to Silent Ash
Besides going around accusing our own people, can we ask Mari and Kei if they now any clan/nation/group that is in anyway suspected to have some abilities in mind manipulation? I am sure they aren't "famous" but random rumors might give us some insight where to look.
Maybe ask Mari/Kei something like this:
- Any idea if some outsider are suspected to have mind manipulation abilities? (Extreme example: Orochimaru's cannibal seal)
I mostly want to figure out if we can find a good enough reason to push investigation in other places. Because sadly, our outside suspects aren't just Rock&Lightning, it's theoretically the whole world.
The smaller nations didn't really lose many people and don't have to patrol as much as the big nations anyway. And were told that Grass&Waterfall seem to benefit from Rocks occupation.
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I'm currently more worried that your plan is the more accusatory.
This is Kei's husband and Clan head. Same goes, in complicated ways, for Snowflake.
If we truly suspect him I don't want to not broach it with them, but we must choose our words carefully when introducing the idea. Also, if Kei starts sharing our suspicions it will crush her. Hard. And she is not the kind of person who will be too optimistic and hopeful to fully consider it possible.
Of course the Frozen Skein is very important and useful to calculate the probability of anything like this, so I don't think having the whole conversation just with Mari is due diligence. But I still worry. Massively.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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This sure is true now, huh?
Kei is cleared at least. She was at a meeting with Asuma about it.
I'm not a big fan of how this part is handled so far. I do plan on changing it. Make it more clear that Shikamaru is only one of the options, and possibly not discuss it with Kei at all. Just Mari.
That said, he had the motive and means, and he acted sus. I think we need talk about it with Mari at least.
@Velorien can we put the timeline in a separate post for you update?
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I want to point out that if Kei will find out (And let's be honest, she's probably already weighting the possibility of Shikamaru being a suspect, it's how she thinks), she will be both angry and hurt at Hazou.
Fundamentally, Kei dislikes being treated as a child or a person devoid of agency, and trying to "Do what we must" as if she cannot make a choice will just make her furious...as it should, to be clear, because she's 100% right.
Kei is not a delicate flower, it's our trusted companion and Akane's family too.
EDIT: Barring OPSEC problems, NPCs are not NPCs(Eh), they are have their own agency, hopes and dreams and we should treat them accordingly IMHO, not as children that cannot deal with the reality of the situation.
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Cariyaga
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I think we should bring it up with Kei, couched that it might put her in an awkward position.
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@Sir Stompy
I'm not sure if Naruto softballing the integration is the best choice of words it can be used a lot of ways and also sounds like we accusing him and there are a lot of things that he can use to explain it nor do I remember him even doing any interrogation
[X] Give Hinata and Shino post-interaction surveys
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@Sir Stompy
I'm not sure if Naruto softballing the integration is the best choice of words it can be used a lot of ways and also sounds like we accusing him and there are a lot of things that he can use to explain it nor do I remember him even doing any interrogation
[X] Give Hinata and Shino post-interaction surveys
This is my first instinct. Yeah, make sure to couch it, but let her have the details of Hazou's thoughts. It's not like our mind is set on this and Hazou is ready to publicly accuse Shika. We have suspicions, it's a suspicious situation. That's ninja life.
He's not, like, in the room, so sounding tangentially accusatory is fine here IMO. If there's broad disagreement in the thread that the Naruto and Shikamaru interrogation was a softball I'll take it out.
Funny this post if you felt the Ruka interrogation was a softball, insightful if it wasn't.