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  • Asuma:
    • Request topic-appropriate security.
      • Provide samples, calculations, projected economic impacts of ES 50.
        • Highlight unlimited gold/jewels, novel materials, increased ore production/quality.
      • We want to benefit - our insights/training/time are distinctly Goketsu - but mostly, we want to help Leaf.
        • Tone: deferring compensation discussion. Focusing on strategy.
      • We've learned our lesson.
      • How should we proceed?
I don't get a clear sense of what you're suggesting to Asuma. Are you envisioning turning Hazō into a full-time resource generator? Providing ad hoc services at request? Training an army of Earthshapers? Or are you just saying, "We can do X now" and leaving Asuma to figure out everything else?
 
Which of those changes are essential for your vote?
Just that you consider them and make any changes you feel are appropriate.

In the world where she's got something to hide, she says no. In the world where she doesn't, she says yes, and we learn nothing.

Can you discuss what you think we might learn, assuming she's a sharp operative?
I don't think that Ruka knowingly passed information off to the assassins/kidnappers. If she was involved at all, it was likely without her being consciously aware. We don't really know the limits of the mindwalks, but it's plausible that the scanner could notice something Ruka didn't consciously process. Also, if she's actually "innocent", exile for life is too steep a penalty and should be reduced, which this would do.

Is there a reason you think he would have been excluded from Shikamaru's search entirely?
The fact that the investigation failed to find anything. Shikamaru is not infallible, and he's been weirdly dismissive about the situation.

Can you give me phrasing which doesn't spill clan secrets?
I don't particularly care to keep that a secret from Asuma, but we can give him the same explanation we gave Oro.
 
I am declaring bankruptcy on plan-related comments made before this post: there are too many and I've lost track of them due to busyness and SV's notification system not really helping. If you have any comments or change requests, please...
  • Make a new comment containing nothing but the comments/change requests. Ideally, include suggested wording for changes which keeps me under wordcount. Please either quote my post or tag me.
  • Indicate your willingness to vote for the plan if the changes are made (ignore this if you're already voting).
If you don't follow that format I'm (probably) going to ignore it.

Yeah I looked through the changes and everything looks in order, I'm not changing my vote.

Edit: Btw I'm not sure why you're going through all this trouble to make changes, your plan is currently winning by a landslide anyhow.
 
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Can you link/quote specifics, please?
Of course!
- Akane's mission was leaked, we need to find out how/from who and prepare accordingly, and fast, because the Fucker's faction now potentially knows the Nuke and also because the longer we wait, the harder it will be to find anything out

- Find out the truth about Ruka's involvement or lack thereof before she is quietly disappeared which might well happen if Asuma was involved in the whole thing.

- Get Hidan for help with tracking Akane's blood. It would give us more intel at worst, and in the unlikely circumstance that she is actually alive, instantly point us to her location.

- See about getting access to spices/items from other countries to cross-reference with Canvass for Akane's attackers. If the Chunin Exam is still going on, use that. Independent of Asuma action.

- Make sure Yuno gets to stay in the village instead of running missions because she was doing the Rock jounin mission together with Akane and is the logical next target if it was a revenge mission.
-Asuma/Leaf is spending a lot on ninja teams on investigation mission in a lot of counties right now. narrowing down our leads now could save a lot of manpower.

-Akane had a Goketsu seal loadout, including MARS. If we want any chance of recovering these before they are reverse-engineered/distributed we need to respond ASAP.

Can you give me phrasing which doesn't spill clan secrets?

I'm most worried about the Orochimaru-Ren part but at this stage in the game I don't know how to handle it without significantly changing the plan, and it's a little frustrating because when I've tried to get it through previously it's either been left out of the update or went very differently than how I imagined. (We could have answered Shikamaru's question with "well, he thinks the Iron Nerve is related to our ability to reproduce 3D seals" and left it at that.)
"Orochimaru might try to kidnap Ren for Iron nerve. Explaining why would be spilling clan secrets. I'm definitly not sure he'll try this, but it's a possibility"
 
Edit: Btw I'm not sure why you're going through all this trouble to make changes, your plan is currently winning by a landslide anyhow.
I'm probably calling it quits here, but we do these things not to win votes, but to ensure that plans are as good as they can be.
Suggested edits in bold. If we're going to say that it won't break, let's do our best to ensure that it won't
Done, in spirit.
I don't get a clear sense of what you're suggesting to Asuma. Are you envisioning turning Hazō into a full-time resource generator? Providing ad hoc services at request? Training an army of Earthshapers? Or are you just saying, "We can do X now" and leaving Asuma to figure out everything else?
I've tried to make this a little more transparent. What I want to do is to inform Asuma of our new capability and brainstorm/strategize. We're not coming to him with nothing - we're bringing analyses of economic impacts - but we're bringing him into our new thing at the early stages.
Just that you consider them and make any changes you feel are appropriate.
Okay - I've done so.

I'm not going to discuss mindwalking because of wordcount and the value I project it'll have (low - it's a weird suggestion and I think she's unlikely to bite) and I think we need to have a private, serious, full-scene conversation with Kei and Mari where we discuss the possibility of a Tower leak. This is important, but it's not for this plan.
I don't particularly care to keep that a secret from Asuma, but we can give him the same explanation we gave Oro.
Done.
The fact that the investigation failed to find anything. Shikamaru is not infallible, and he's been weirdly dismissive about the situation.
See above - I agree this is important, but I don't think it's a conversation for right now.
None of this feels like it can't wait 48 hours.
[X] Action Plan: Reflection
Word count: <300
  • Duration: <= 48 hours
  • Offscreen
    • Sanity checks (Mari/Kei)
      • Asuma: plan conversations.
        • How to benefit without economic disaster?
          • Limit output?
          • Sell only to Tower? Foreign nations?
      • Ino:
        • Hagoromo discussion, Earthshaped mirror - are they OPSEC violations?
  • Ino
    • Plan a private date.
      • Be there for her. Let her lead.
    • Would she be a sounding board for a clan head issue?
      • Explain Asuma's Hagoromo suggestions.
      • Will they ever leave you alone?
        • They'll always have plausible deniability.
        • Would it matter if you stopped?
      • How do you break the cycle?
      • Discuss Ruka, reconciliation.
    • Corundum mirror - shell around reflective metal, jeweled handle, all materials condensed/toughened.
  • Asuma:
    • Request appropriate security.
      • Provide samples, calculations, projected economic impacts of ES 50.
        • Unlimited gold/jewels, novel materials, increased ore production/quality.
        • Tone: demonstrating capabilities, discussing next steps, possibilities.
      • Goketsu should benefit - our insights/time are distinctly Goketsu - but mostly, we want to help Leaf.
        • Tone: deferring compensation discussion. Strategy-focused.
      • We've learned our lesson.
      • How should we proceed?
    • Hagoromo:
      • We'll never like Ritsuo, but we're tired.
        • Destroying Ritsuo's knife helped nobody.
        • The plays helped nobody.
        • It's always more hate.
    • Ruka:
      • Is her punishment mostly about Akane? If so, it seems disproportionate.
        • It's effectively death. She didn't kill Akane.
      • Suggest long-term till'n'fills supervised by KEI/clanless nin. Hatred doesn't withstand exposure.
      • Does he think Ruka can change?
    • Reconciliation:
      • Goketsu/Hagoromo need to see each other as full people.
        • Reference the evolution of Noburi/Neji's relationship.
      • Assign Goketsu-Hagoromo teams long-term till'n'fills requiring cooperation. Neutral (Sarutobi? Inuzaka?) leaders.
      • Are there more flexible Hagoromo? We want to see their clan as complex, multifaceted.
    • Ren:
      • Orochimaru might kidnap her. Explain as much as Kei/Mari allow.
  • Misc.
    • Sealing Research:
      • Next Minato seal/Directional Explosives.
      • Eschew prep, use SSA, reroll -9/-12.
    • Get other nation's scents for Canvass.
    • Test burning sand macerators.
 
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2-3 hours if you go straight from the gates to where the enemy team picked up Akane's trail
Apologies, I meant the from the gates to the location of the three border area where the assassins entered and exited Fire.

Given the timeline of events, it is extremely unlikely that this was not planned in advance of Akane's mission assignment. But, as @faflec pointed out earlier, there could have been an infiltrator that learned of the mission details after it was assigned and then took it to a ready-and-waiting capture team right on the border.

I'm not sure that's technically possible with the timeline, but I need to know how long an infiltrator would require to get to the tri-border area where the assassins landed in Leaf to dismiss it for sure.
 
[X] Action Plan: Akane, Earthshapeing, Peace

Wordcount:300

Uplift(Offscreen if needed)
  • Akane's mission was leaked, we need to investigate.
    • Sanity check:
      • Hidan tracking
      • Insisting on Mindwalk for Ruka. (gently ask Mari about TLitF, don't push)
      • Canvass spice-profile identification
    • Anyone else have bright ideas?
  • Explain Earthshaping's capabilities and strategic implications.
    • We'd like to tell Asuma. Crashing the market again would be bad.
    • Asuma could help us exploit this without destroying the economy, or spending to much time/attention.
    • It will also build goodwill and make us more useful.
    • But we want to profit from our innovation, and not let Asuma cut us out or stiff us.
    • Can we get an exemption to the "no ninja infringing of civilian labour" policy?
    • Should we try to get additional rewards from Asuma? SC training for clan, private training/jutsu, ect.
Asuma
  • Akane's mission was leaked, we need to find out how/by whom and to whom. (FYI, had new Goketsu seals. recovering those is important)
    • IFF Uplift-approved:
      • Accept the political inconvenience and Mindwalk Ruka
      • Canvass spice-profile ID
      • Hidan blood-tracking.
        • On the topic of Akatsuki, reach out to Sasori about the Great Seal. We need more expert sealmasters.
  • Earthshaping meeting
    • Follow Uplift's optimization and decisions.
    • By default:
      • We learned our lesson and came to you first.
      • We'd like to use iron creation to help Leaf, but note that we are busy with Dragonwar.
      • We want your advice to sell Gems in a way that protects leaf's economy. (and targets Rock?)
  • Hagoromo
    • Ritsuo is a vile bigot... but we're tired.
    • Cycle of hatred helps no-one.
    • Hagoromo/Goketsu schools is a bad idea because of ideological differences
    • Joint training/ Till-n-Fills with less bigoted Hagoromo? we want to see the Hagoromo as more than just Ritsuo
      • Mentoring Harumitsu is already helping our clans humanize each other
 
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Add pitching r&d missions to Asuma, and I'll vote for it.


Done. Underlined and bolded.

[X] Action Plan: Doing it again, less sealing, no scroll
Word Count: >300
  • Mari/Kei
    • Talk about getting Kagome SC. Should be easy with Dragons and his sealing, right? If not, what can we offer? Maybe mandatory OPSEC classes for Kagome?
    • Get Yuno SC as well.
    • Akane's mission was leaked, we need to find out how/from who and prepare accordingly. Also look into seeing if any of the rest of us are being targeted as such. Also if there are any deniable assets she knows of who could've done this
    • Asking Hidan for help with tracking Akane's blood. Fine idea? He likes us, is AMITY enforcer? Ask Asuma? Ask Ami, if not?
    • See about getting access to spices/items from other countries to cross-reference with Canvass for Akane's attackers. If the Chunin Exam is still going on, use that. Independent of Asuma action.
    • Explain ES and what it can do, thoughts on it? Does it need to go to Asuma immediately?
  • Asuma
    • Sanity check below with Mari
    • Discuss getting Kagome SC for Dragonwar. More Kagome-level sealing is big help. Sidenote: someone like Sasori could also help.
    • Idea: R&D missions. You hire a ninja to research something for you as a mission via the tower. That thing is considered non-secret property of the client -- if people other than client/people they designate mod/hack/are-known-to-publically-use it then they're required to pay a fee (like how sealmasters need to pay to sell mods of someone else's seal).
      • Generates tax, encourages innovation, doesn't seem to cause significant problems in the process.
    • Hagoromo: Don't want to involve them in our schools, possible sabotage, fundamental difference in ideas. Collaboration on Till n Fills preferred, maybe tutoring, like TH for Reo, joint lessons, etc..
    • Promotion to Sealing Special Jonin. Orochimaru fancies us his peer, we think it's time.
    • See about getting access to spices/items from other countries to cross-reference with Canvass for Akane's attackers. If the Chunin Exam is still going on, use that.
    • If Mari clears, ask about Hidan's help
  • Hazou/Sealing
    • Use SC to check the blood tracking seal and work on it if it's doable without SSA. Have Kagome work with the blood tracking and security seals if possible.
    • Test Burning Sand Macerators for effectiveness (off-screen)
    • Continue work on Minato's Seals with Kagome
    • Continue on Directional Explosives/Rocket Boots (no prep, reroll -9, -12)
 
[X] Action Plan: Akane, Earthshapeing, Peace

Wordcount:300

Uplift(Offscreen if needed)
  • Akane's mission was leaked, we need to investigate.
    • Sanity check:
      • Hidan tracking
      • Insisting on Mindwalk for Ruka. (gently ask Mari about TLitF, don't push)
      • Canvass spice-profile identification
    • Anyone else have bright ideas?
  • Explain Earthshaping's capabilities and strategic implications.
    • We'd like to tell Asuma. Crashing the market again would be bad.
    • Asuma could help us exploit this without destroying the economy, or spending to much time/attention.
    • It will also build goodwill and make us more useful.
    • But we want to profit from our innovation, and not let Asuma cut us out or stiff us.
    • Can we get an exemption to the "no ninja infringing of civilian labour" policy?
    • Should we try to get additional rewards from Asuma? SC training for clan, private training/jutsu, ect.
Asuma
  • Akane's mission was leaked, we need to find out how/by whom and to whom. (FYI, had new Goketsu seals. recovering those is important)
    • IFF Uplift-approved:
      • Accept the political inconvenience and Mindwalk Ruka
      • Canvass spice-profile ID
      • Hidan blood-tracking.
        • On the topic of Akatsuki, reach out to Sasori about the Great Seal. We need more expert sealmasters.
  • Earthshaping meeting
    • Follow Uplift's optimization and decisions.
    • By default:
      • We learned our lesson and came to you first.
      • We'd like to use iron creation to help Leaf, but note that we are busy with Dragonwar.
      • We want your advice to sell Gems in a way that protects leaf's economy. (and targets Rock?)
  • Hagoromo
    • Ritsuo is a vile bigot... but we're tired.
    • Cycle of hatred helps no-one.
    • Hagoromo/Goketsu schools is a bad idea because of ideological differences
    • Joint training/ Till-n-Fills with less bigoted Hagoromo? we want to see the Hagoromo as more than just Ritsuo
      • Mentoring Harumitsu is already helping our clans humanize each other
@Shrooms @Black King and others, how does this look? is there anything I should add/change?
 
Revisit the Hidan question that Shikamaru didn't really address and you'll have my vote.

(Seriously, he can track blood across the entire world AND is incentivized to investigate all AMITY violations? It's like Shikamaru doesn't even want to know who did it.)
Where should it go?

I'm unlikely to do this because I think the whole 'why was Shikamaru's investigation so shitty' thing needs to be its own scene in the next plan.
 
(Seriously, he can track blood across the entire world AND is incentivized to investigate all AMITY violations? It's like Shikamaru doesn't even want to know who did it.)
Actually, that actually tracks quite well.
"In this case, I am very sorry but you will need to accept that she is dead. I am, and I believe it to be clear that Kei is, happy to go with you and help you plan a recovery mission in order to avert any potentially problematic elements of such a plan, but I wish it to be clear that we are at best going to recover her body, not rescue her. Even that much is unlikely."

Kei looked at her husband with a frozen expression. The air chilled around them. "Husband..." She shook her head and let out a slow breath, allowing the patio to once more warm. "Come or stay, it is of no importance to me."

Shikamaru stood, wiped his mouth, and dropped his napkin on the table. "Of course I will come, Kei. However, I wish to ensure that no one has false hope. Hazō's demeanor is of fear and urgency. There is no place for those things in this context and harboring them will lead only to bad decisions and later consequences. As a salient example: the fact that Hazō sent a shadow clone here strongly suggests that he has sent multiple clones to other places. Based on this Hazō's presentation I suspect that all instances of Hazō are making their approaches with a bluntness that may harm the Gōketsu relationship to other clans going forward." He looked to HazōScarySisApproacher and his words were gentle. "The forests of Leaf are large and finding something as small as a person is a tremendous challenge. After a week it is unlikely that we can even locate her body. It will have reentered the cycle of the wilds."

"You mean that animals will have eaten her," HazōScarySisApproacher said through gritted teeth.

Shikamaru nodded. "Just so. I am very sorry, Hazō. Akane was a wonderful person and she will be greatly missed. The Nara clan will hold a remembrance ceremony for her and, with your permission, will place a memorial in our Garden of Memories."
"I believe it should be emphasized that this is a recovery mission, not a retaliatory strike," Shikamaru said. "No matter who or what is found to be responsible, the team should not cross any of Fire's borders and should avoid combat. The emphasis must be on gathering intelligence and ensuring that it reaches Leaf so that the village can organize an effective response. In addition, in the unlikely event that you intersect with ninja from an enemy nation, it is critically important that Hazō not be captured. His own summation from earlier should make clear why. Aside from that, I believe that we have covered all relevant details. Kei?"
Asuma finished writing a message. He inked a stamp and applied it. "I need to yell at Naruto and Shikamaru for not immediately taking drastic action when you told them Akane was late. Yes, the most likely outcome when a ninja disappears on a chakra beast mission is that the ninja died to the beasts, but they need to consider edge cases. Naruto's power depends on other villages not studying Shadow Clone to find its weaknesses, and Shikamaru especially knows enough that he should have responded to even a small possibility that she'd been captured or gone missing.

"I assume you're going into Rice or Iron next?" Asuma said. "Both will be pretty hostile, but in different ways. In Rice, leverage your skywalkers and infiltrators to keep a low profile. In Iron, your party is a big enough show of force that it should hopefully deter opportunistic missing-nin and foreign hunter-nin."
SHIKA: This isn't a big priority and also do NOT cross any borders no matter what.

ASUMA: This is a huge fucking deal that needed immediate and drastic response. Anyway, I assume you're crossing either this border or that one to purse further? Here's what to do in either case.
 
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I'm unlikely to do this because I think the whole 'why was Shikamaru's investigation so shitty' thing needs to be its own scene in the next plan.
Also his apparent terrible investigation of the Tower beuracracy and of Ruka (why was he investigating that instead of T&I anyway?) that completely missed how the timeline is impossible w/o a tower leak or infiltration

Huh.
 
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I'd put it with the Asuma conversation. Imo investigation stuff still takes precedence. A few weeks passing and then suggesting it may feel kinda strange idk.

I'm unlikely to do this because I think the whole 'why was Shikamaru's investigation so shitty' thing needs to be its own scene in the next plan.
Is the plan to talk to Asuma about this as well? I'm hoping to minimize total number of meetings but if it's unavoidable whatever I guess.

Actually, that actually tracks quite well.
Indeed. If Kei catches on she may suddenly become clan head if you catch my drift...
 
Oh. The thinker clans are in communication, their goal is the preservation of civilization. Shikamaru knew about Akane's ability to end the world. Shikamaru would have access to the mission rotation, and is intelligent enough to point us int he direction of the Hagoromo. That's... I don't want that to be true.
 
Oh. The thinker clans are in communication, their goal is the preservation of civilization. Shikamaru knew about Akane's ability to end the world. Shikamaru would have access to the mission rotation, and is intelligent enough to point us int he direction of the Hagoromo. That's... I don't want that to be true.
Yeah. There are so many MASSIVE things that we need to talk to Asuma about. See why I'm writing EMERGENCY CLAN MEETING so we can discuss things and get more info before talking to him?
 
Is the plan to talk to Asuma about this as well? I'm hoping to minimize total number of meetings but if it's unavoidable whatever I guess.
Given that this is so egregious I want to run it by Mari and Kei first, personally. Based on how that goes, maybe we need to escalate to Asuma, maybe we just need to sit down with Shikamaru.

And Mari. And Yuno. And Noburi. In a room Kagome prepared.
 
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Given that this is so egregious I want to run it by Mari and Kei first, personally.
And maybe also the massive bomb that is ES50 while we're at it?

An Emergency Clan Meeting in which we talk about these two situations with our clan is actually going to end up pretty interesting. Especially with Kei Nara there.

Kei Nara who would be Clan Head after Asuma executes Shikamaru for treason, like Hiruzen(?) did to that one Hyūga Clan Head. (Though this is the least of the reasons this is going to be interesting.)

Ah man, I kinda wish we could only invite Snowflake Gōketsu instead :(
 
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