Advance warning: the next few days are going to be work crunch time for me, and it is uncertain what state I'll be in by the time they're over. There is a 50% chance that the update will be Chapter 2β: In Which Hazō Introduces His Team to the Joys of Treason, so I advise not making plans which contain things I'd like but @eaglejarl would dislike if the plan rolls over to him.
 
I know this will be seen as blasphemous but training jutsu are 100% not worth asking for as a reward. If they're as good as the YSJ then that means we would be weaker than we should be for 250 days. And then depending on what skill it adds to in another 200-250 days we will get one more rank in that skill. We're at a point where marginal XP gains are just not super valuable in comparison to better combat jutsu to round out our build
You've brought this point up already but like... we've got a loooot of time to kill anyways. Pretty much all major plots right now can only be advanced by just doing a bunch of time consuming research. And like we're not trying to end the quest within the year either, there will be plenty of time to gain more value from training techniques. I think this is less of an issue than you're making it out to be, but yeah I mean it's not mission critical or anything. I would have to see the training technique to say more.
 
[X] Interlude: Why Is Kagome Gōketsu's Shadow Clone Calling Itself "High Watcher Kuge Maya?"

Kagome and his 5 other personalities/souls
 
You've brought this point up already but like... we've got a loooot of time to kill anyways. Pretty much all major plots right now can only be advanced by just doing a bunch of time consuming research. And like we're not trying to end the quest within the year either, there will be plenty of time to gain more value from training techniques. I think this is less of an issue than you're making it out to be, but yeah I mean it's not mission critical or anything. I would have to see the training technique to say more.

One thing that I think I failed to get across was this is in the context of trying to get shinies from Asuma. If we get a training technique we're probably loosing out on a different shiny that would be more valuable. Training techniques are nice to have but they aren't worth expending effort or resources to get
 
I'm confused, how are training jutsu anything but a positive? It's a percentage of your total experience...added on to your experience? For free.
 
I'm confused, how are training jutsu anything but a positive? It's a percentage of your total experience...added on to your experience? For free.
It sounds like @Oneiros is saying that they aren't the best option in the short- to mid-term due to opportunity costs, since the way a training jutsu works is that you sacrifice some XP to level the training jutsu and then earn that back and more over time. Instead of investing in a training jutsu you could invest in a combat jutsu / taijutsu/ social skills / etc that would give short-term value.

@Oneiros, did I get that right?
 
I'm confused, how are training jutsu anything but a positive? It's a percentage of your total experience...added on to your experience? For free.
In the case of Oneiros' example YSJ, the stunt costs 50 xp to buy, but it takes a long time for it to generate 50 XP worth of training to pay for itself (I don't think it takes 250 days though. More like 80 days.)
 
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It sounds like @Oneiros is saying that they aren't the best option in the short- to mid-term due to opportunity costs, since the way a training jutsu works is that you sacrifice some XP to level the training jutsu and then earn that back and more over time. Instead of investing in a training jutsu you could invest in a combat jutsu / taijutsu/ social skills / etc that would give short-term value.
In the case of Oneiros' example YSJ, the stunt costs 50 xp to buy, but it takes a long time for it to generate 50 XP worth of training to pay for itself (I don't think it takes 250 days though. More like 80 days.)

Ah, these explanations make sense, and I get what was being said now. Thanks.
 
Great chapter, EJ! Quick question, would this mechanically be us putting more XP into ES, a stunt, or another skill altogether?
HDK, but raising your skill [EDIT: your ES skill] would be a plausible approach.



Rough look at the EN map, maybe four, 100 mile radius circles to cover Fire's borders, interior and then some. So maybe 16 Condors to patrol the whole country? They can communicate to skytowers with flashes to pass flashed messages to teams on the ground. 8000 chakra to keep them out all day on four hour shifts. Some time wasted flying into position from Konoha.
Keep in mind that most of Fire is covered in trees thick enough that you can't see the ground.
 
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Raising ES further seems quite difficult, due to how our pyramid is structured. What if we prioritize necromancy right now, during the upcoming Resolve-raising phase? We can research some more necromancy seals during that period.

Reasons to focus on necromancy:
  • Thematic now that Akane is (probably) dead
  • We could impress Kagome by learning those seals super fast
  • Ami is expecting us to do it
  • Getting J-man back
  • I'm really hyped for the "tell Asuma about it" conversation, but I'd be against telling Asuma about necromancy until we're ready to do it
 
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The hands problem can be overcome. Rough look at the EN map, maybe four, 100 mile radius circles to cover Fire's borders, interior and then some. So maybe 16 Condors to patrol the whole country? They can communicate to skytowers with flashes to pass flashed messages to teams on the ground. 8000 chakra to keep them out all day on four hour shifts. Some time wasted flying into position from Konoha
8000 chakra is a lot. They won't be able to see through the trees, and they won't be able to see their entire field of view while they're flying.

In addition, no Condor is going to agree to patrol Fire Country for 12 hours a day 7 days a week. We would need probably 7 shifts. One for each day. That's a lot of Condors.

I don't think this is a workable plan.
Raising ES further seems quite difficult, due to how our pyramid is structured. What if we prioritize necromancy right now, during the upcoming Resolve-raising phase? We can research some more necromancy seals during that period
That's the plan. Now that Hazou can research two seals at once we dedicate 1 slot to Minoto seals and the other to additional combat seals.
 
Typo
Possible Gōketsu wealthstream via diamonds and gold collection
  • Oversupplying market is huge concern

Possible Gōketsu wealthstream via diamonds and gold collection
Duplicate bullet point
Obviously, we're taking this to the Hokage immediately
This is not obvious to me. We should at least consider alternatives before deciding.

If Asuma shuts this down immediately we have lost a ton of value.

My preference would be to simply produce enough gemstones to generate an absurd amount of wealth. Selling them for mildly discounted prices.

We could integrate vertically by buying up a bunch of white/goldsmiths in Leaf and then selling finished jewelry.
 
It will be a hard sell based purely on its own merits.

Fortunately, we're not trying to convince him based on merit. We want this to be our reward for solving all of Leaf's metal problems permanently (and allowing it to inflict truly devastating economic warfare on the other Villages while conventional warfare is bound by AMITY) and we're just giving him a plausible reason to allow it.

Finally, we have a chance to make FOOM an actual protected Clan Secret.

Also whatever the next thing we revolutionize is. And the thing after that. And after that.

Asuma's pretty cool… but I'd rather trade him these awesome things for Leaf instead of being forced to give them and hoping he rewards us. We have a duty to our clan as well.

Can you tell I'm still pissed Hiruzen forced us to explain SkyTowers to him ("Seal of the Decade" by his own admission) and then gave us table scraps in exchange?
Actually, why stop there? If we're tweaking the Clan Secret system, let's also give clans the option to share secrets with a nonclanmember without forfeiting the secrets' legal protections.

As is, if a single non-clan member knows something, it instantly loses its status as a Clan Secret and becomes a lot harder to protect.

Now suppose we change that slightly, and allow clans to voluntarily make an agreement with specific trusted individuals if and only if they desire to, where the outclan individual can learn the secret without the clan losing their legal protection.

This will almost certainly be a rare occurrence because it requires a great deal of trust. Maybe we can figure out some sort of Tower enforcement mechanism to never share on pain of death (etc.) that reduces that, but it will never go away entirely.

As seen below, it keeps fully in line with the "purpose" of clan secrets. The clans shouldn't have a problem with it, as doing this is completely optional (even if most of them would never do it). Asuma would love it, as it allows more of his stronger shinobi to learn additional powerful techniques in the rare cases it's used.

So why go through all the trouble? Because this way we can equip TenTen with our good seals without being forced to give them to everyone. Because this way, Ino can teach Hazō a resolve boosting technique that might save his life from the Dragons (assuming they enter some contract in advance, etc.), without costing giving up the ability to the wider community if anyone sees Hazō use it.

All it does is lower the cost of extending trust to those you care about.

The Clan Council is made up of the heads of every recognized Leaf clan. The specific legal benefits of being a clan revolve around a) a position in this body, to ensure that any concerns you have are heard by the Hokage, and b) the right to withhold information (e.g. about bloodlines, jutsu, and seals) from Leaf's government under laws governing clan secrets. Unless an innovation is claimed as such, those who developed it are expected to make it available to the broader community in exchange for reasonable compensation.
  • So, when Jiraiya / Keiko / Noburi say that clans won't want their privileges 'diluted', what they mean is that they don't want other people taking up the Kage's time and attention, and that they don't want other people to be able to withhold innovations that they / they broader community might make use of (and which might give the innovator some competitive advantage). There are also issues of deeply embedded traditions and ideas about nobility over which clans might oppose the formation of a new clan full of ex-missing nin, but those are more PR and less pragmatism.
 
[x] Noburi Training Plan: Medknow
Medknow 47 -> 49 (-10 banked lootbox XP, -87 general XP)

(117 - 87) = 30 general XP remaining



[x] Kei Training Plan: Frozen Skein
Frozen Skein 20 -> 29 (-392)

(467 - 450) = 17 XP Remaining

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This update covered 1 day.

XP AWARD: 5

Brevity XP: 1

"GM had fun" XP: 3

@Paperclipped , @eaglejarl (Not pinging Velorien, because he said he was doing some crunch for work, and I don't want to disturb him).

Neither Noburi, nor Kei, have received XP from chapter 593, which is said to have covered an entire day.
 
I think we should let Noburi make a quick detour.
What do you think about a quick Detour once Noburi hits Medknow 50? We can build support stats for Mednin 40.

We pick up a jutsu through to level 10 (I recommend Surging Seas or Rapid Rejuvenation), then we can raise a 10-stat to level 20 (I recommend Deceit for general opsec), and then we can raise a 20-stat to level 30 (I recommend any social, really... perhaps either Rapport or Deceit). And then we can raise Mednin from 39 to 40.

And once we're done with that detour, we can push a 50-stat through to 60 (I recommend either Medknow or Vampiric Dew, with a preference towards Medknow), and then raise Mednin to fill that newly-emptied 50 slot.
 
Actually…..
I think we should let Noburi make a quick investment in his ability to emotionally support his family.
Why couldn't he do anything for any of them?

Couldn't he?

Slowly, with the utmost caution, Noburi put her hand on Yuno's wrist as she lay curled in the foetal position, holding Satsuko tight. Satsuko never let Noburi carry her, but she did let him guide Yuno's hands to lay her down in her crib next to the bed.

With Yuno partially uncurled, Noburi held her and thought hard.

Hours passed.

He couldn't fix this. He couldn't fix any of this. Even Akane couldn't have done that. But she'd also never have let that stop her–and with Akane gone, somebody had to take up the mantle.
[X] Noburi Training Plan: Helping Others
Rapport 24 -> 28 (-108 XP)
XP Remaining: 11
 
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Actually, why stop there? If we're tweaking the Clan Secret system, let's also give clans the option to share secrets with a nonclanmember without forfeiting the secrets' legal protections.

As is, if a single non-clan member knows something, it instantly loses its status as a Clan Secret and becomes a lot harder to protect.

Now suppose we change that slightly, and allow clans to voluntarily make an agreement with specific trusted individuals if and only if they desire to, where the outclan individual can learn the secret without the clan losing their legal protection.

Why do you think we have the political capital that not even the Hokage has, to change how Clan Secrets work on such a fundamental level?
 
What do you think about a quick Detour once Noburi hits Medknow 50? We can build support stats for Mednin 40.

We pick up a jutsu through to level 10 (I recommend Surging Seas or Rapid Rejuvenation), then we can raise a 10-stat to level 20 (I recommend Deceit for general opsec), and then we can raise a 20-stat to level 30 (I recommend any social, really... perhaps either Rapport or Deceit). And then we can raise Mednin from 39 to 40.

And once we're done with that detour, we can push a 50-stat through to 60 (I recommend either Medknow or Vampiric Dew, with a preference towards Medknow), and then raise Mednin to fill that newly-emptied 50 slot.

You're over complicating things, we just bump resolve up to 30 and deceit to 20 in one jump.
 
Magnets.
  • Randomly make changes in iron. Does it sometimes pull on itself?
  • Align iron charges to point one way.
  • Cheat with lodestone, feeling iron near lodestone.
There's a public jutsu that turns stuff (I forget what) into lodestones. We could cheat by using that. Cast the Lodestone Jutsu on a thing, use Earthshaping to feel out the differences on the material Before/After the Lodestone Jutsu was cast, and then manually recreate those changes using Earthshaping.
 
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