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Till now I liked the wording of @FaintlySorcerous plan the most.

[] Action Plan: Answering Asuma
Word count: <300
    • Can we articulate problems, ask for suggestions, then make requests?
      • Please deny requests which seem like power grabs - they're not coming from a place of subtle political manipulation or greed.
      • We only just realized our previous actions could have been interpreted as blackmail. We have massive blind spots.
    • The Great Seal.
      • HDK how 3D seals work, or what they're made of.
      • HDK much about the Great Seal, generally.
    • Suggestions:
      • Should we tell Orochimaru everything we know about 3D sealing? It'll markedly increase his personal power.
        • Tone: based on the Basement, Orochimaru unchecked rivals the be4uty.
      • More lore.
        • Missions for Leaf's Summoners to meet with storytellers/lorekeepers? They have long memories.
        • The Nagi seal - was it 3D?
        • Leaf archives and clan records may contain useful information. Could librarians search and relay their findings?
        • Information on the Sage, sealing (as in, locking away) entities, the Dragons, and sealing traditions unknown to us (carving?) could be crucial.
      • Any ideas for chakra-conductive stone? Describe it.
      • Other AMITY signatories might have useful information or expertise.
        • Tone: AMITY is geopolitics and that's way out of our lane.
    • HDK how to kill the remaining Dragons.
      • Again, lore.
      • We need to maximize firepower.
    • Suggestions:
      • Same lore requests.
      • Could Ruri be taught EM?
        • Can we attribute EM to Kumokogo/Enma?
      • AMITY Summoners - have you considered involving them?
      • Mareo could be an asset - can we concretely offer him Leaf citizenship? An ANBU escort to Leaf?
    • Other:
      • Why isn't anyone (other nations) else doing anything?
        • They've heard about it, surely.
      • Thank you for believing in us and mobilizing Leaf. We saw the Hat's impact on Jiraiya and know, in a very limited way, how much pressure you're under. We want to live up to the trust and patience you've extended us given…everything.
      • How can we help you help us?
Neither of these plans have Oro sections, we'll need some sort of way to handle that. I suggest:
  • Oro
    • Bring notes and sketches of the GS, shape the ES'd replica "using" those
    • Suggest using chakra metal as a medium for 3D seals
    • Itachi mentioned that chakra metal comes from terrifying earth golems
      • However it seems possible to bait them into skyslicers with SCs, like Hazou did to the Dragon
        • Does Oro know of a reason this wouldn't work?
Of course you don't have to include the chakra metal part if you don't want to. I highly suggest keeping the part with notes and sketches of the GS. Otherwise we're going to get vivisected on the spot.
 
My plan's already nearly 300 words. We may need a second, independent plan for Orochimaru.

For the normal cycle, I will write a Conclave update. If you can, separately vote in requests for Asuma or any strategies for going into the Basement for another GS replica. @Paperclipped will write another little bonus chapter covering those two plot threads (though the Asuma conversation may be offscreenable if there's nothing contentious there).
Emphasizing this part. While the tag on plans can be [Asuma] as EJ mentioned, I am more enthusiastic about writing the Orochimaru scene.
I don't think we get 2 plans for @Paperclipped 's update. Would you mind confirming that Paper?
 
I'm about to be tutoring until lunchtime, then I've got a shift until early/mid evening. But if y'all will present suggestions, I'll work to incorporate them into my Asuma plan.
 
Orochimaru clearly made plans to have a full-size one.
Full size? As in 1:1 scale? Is that how big the one we made for Leaf sealmasters in a public space is?

Neither of these plans have Oro sections
It does
Suggestions:
  • Should we tell Orochimaru everything we know about 3D sealing? It'll markedly increase his personal power.
    • Tone: based on the Basement, Orochimaru unchecked rivals the be4uty.
The plan wants to ask Asuma's opinion about it first before getting to the part where we decide what to actually share with him.
 
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[x] (Asuma) Action Plan: Asuma's Response + Oro
Words: 299
  • Dragonwar has two objectives: killing Dragons, and repairing the Great Seal.
  • Low-hanging fruit: bringing in the Akatsuki/AMITY.
    • Akatsuki contains 2 S-rank Summoners (Itachi, Kisame), and an S-rank sealmaster (Sasori).
    • Other AMITY members also have their own Summoners and sealmasters
      • No clue if they'll believe us, or if they'll meaningfully contribute
      • We're not knowledgeable enough about geopolitics to know the cost-benefit analysis.
      • Bring in the Nara? Ami who's been heavily involved with AMITY?
    • If there were a time for AMITY to be united in a goal, this would be it.
      • Tread carefully: Akatsuki is a sensitive topic.
  • Other things:
    • The Great Seal is a puzzle we have few pieces of: we need lore.
      • Records of Sage's works are few, but clans have long memories (in the EN, the Seventh Path, or the Eastern Continent.)
    • An obstacle to 3D Sealing is a lack of chakra-conductive stone. Know anything?
      • A possible alternative is chakra metal, does the Tower have any?
    • Borrowing a Dragon part from Orochimaru would let us present physical evidence at the Conclave.
      • If Orochimaru shows up with Manda, he could display a part, then?
    • We should make plans for unlikely scenarios
      • If a Dragon escapes the Crusade,
      • If a Dragon somehow makes it to the EN
    • Thank you for what you're doing. You have patience for us despite our mistakes, and you took us seriously about the Dragons.
    • Oro
      • Sanity check with Kei/Mari
      • Make and bring detailed notes and sketches of the GS, shape the ES'd replica "using" those
      • Suggest using chakra metal as a medium for 3D seals
      • Itachi mentioned that chakra metal comes from earth golems
        • It seems possible to bait them into skyslicers with SCs, likethe Dragon
          • Does Oro know of a reason this wouldn't work?
I'm about to be tutoring until lunchtime, then I've got a shift until early/mid evening. But if y'all will present suggestions, I'll work to incorporate them into my Asuma plan.

I edited your plan to include my Oro section, feel free to crib from it
 
I am 1,000% down for this and including it in almost any plan would be a surefire way to earn my vote.
Honestly if we time it right Shino can simultaneously announce his intention to provide a supply of telescopes to every specjonin or something. We can get the Nara, Kei, KEI, and Yamanaka on-side.

And everyone else can fucking catch up. What are they going to do - be mad we're literally embodying the Will of Fire?

Just boosting this so that our collective ADHD doesn't forget about it. I agree that it can wait, but I don't want us to forget about it in the meantime.
 
Hazou's previous replica was 1:3 scale, meaning about 16m across. He imagines Orochimaru would want at least that size. He does not know the exact size of the space Orochimaru prepared.
Lotta MEW casts, jeez.

The chakra flowed out, sinking into the granite he had previously created with the Multiple Earth Wall. Granite didn't match the texture or color of the Great Seal at all well but at least this way there was enough stone available that he wouldn't need to sinter different pieces together.
We should order some better-matching stone be brought in, too. We can fuse it together now!
 
Hazou's previous replica was 1:3 scale, meaning about 16m across. He imagines Orochimaru would want at least that size. He does not know the exact size of the space Orochimaru prepared.
I mean. Orochimaru may have had to expand his Basement, specifically for this. We could ask the Merxhant Council if they've had any work crews on a project like that. I can't imagine Orochimaru, himself, shoveling dirt.
 
I mean. Orochimaru may have had to expand his Basement, specifically for this. We could ask the Merxhant Council if they've had any work crews on a project like that. I can't imagine Orochimaru, himself, shoveling dirt.
I can imagine Orochimaru, himself, having a few seals that just eat whatever inanimate matter is in a 10x10x10 cube in front of them, or Earth jutsu that moves big chunks
 
GS replica.
  • Make on 7th Path.
    • In biggest pieces that can be reverse summoned.
    • Assemble on site.
    • Test if faster to make small, expand? Better detail to make big, shrink?
The biggest piece that Hazou can lift is what he can transport back and forth from 7th Path, that's ~100kg. At that size we can be smart about it and haul them around in storage seals.

16m^3 was the volume of a 1:3 model. Assume granite is the material we use, density is 2750kg/m^3, assume 48m^3 for a full scale model. So that's about 1300 pieces!

EDIT: I misread EJ, the 1:3 model is 16 m across, which means that its volume is closer to 4000m^3. I'd say what you're proposing is more or less impossible.

Let's not do this.
Try growing crystal for more samples.
In what? I don't even think 11th century Japan knew that crystals grow in the first place.
 
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16m^3 was the volume of a 1:3 model. Assume granite is the material we use, density is 2750kg/m^3, assume 48m^3 for a full scale model. So that's about 1300 pieces!
So 50 pieces for a 1:3 model? Not convinced making a full scale model will not take 30x hours longer than 1:3, based on TN.
In what? I don't even think 11th century Japan knew that crystals grow in the first place.
Do not think it is strange to think a piece of the living cave core can grow.
 
So 50 pieces for a 1:3 model? Not convinced making a full scale model will not take 30x hours longer than 1:3, based on TN.

Do not think it is strange to think a piece of the living cave core can grow.
16m^3 * 2750 kg/m^3 / 100kg/piece = 440 pieces.

Not that that matters, because, as I stated in my edit, the volume of the 1:3 model is closer to 4000 m^3. Which would be ~100000 pieces. Not happening.
 
This is similar to my previous plan but with the Asuma section golfed down. I have ~20 words to work with which should likely be allocated to the Orochimaru section.

@Paperclipped, right now I'm finding it hard to write the Orochimaru section in any real detail because we have (IMO) little information. We have a week between now and actually creating the seal. In that time, I imagine we'd be able to send Kabuto a letter clarifying a few things, such as...
  1. How large Orochimaru wants the replica and some back-and-forth on what's feasible given our constraints (staying awake, chakra water poisoning).
  2. The negotiation of Noburi's availability.
  3. The space/materials we'll have available.
It would also be helpful to have some idea of what Orochimaru's 3D sealing theories feel like - is it over our head, are they filled with brilliant insights, do we have questions or corrections?

[X] Action Plan: Answering Asuma, Soothing Snakes
Word count: <400
  • Asuma:
    • Preamble:
      • What more can Goketsu do? No promises, but everything's on the table, including clan secrets.
        • Tone: Asuma's putting Leaf behind this 100%. We're with him.
      • Thank you. You believed us and mobilized Leaf. You offer patience and understanding. We saw what being Hokage was like for Jiraiya, so we have a (very limited) idea of the stress.
      • Approach:
        • Articulate the problems, request Asuma's proposals/solutions, then make our suggestions. This limits what we can phrase badly.
        • Tread lightly around geopolitics and the Akatsuki.
    • Problem 1: Great Seal. We don't know how it works, what it's made of, or the historical context.
    • Problem 2: Dragons. We have minimal intelligence. We need to maximize firepower.
    • Suggestions:
      • How open should we be with Orochimaru regarding 3D sealing? His personal power will spike when he cracks it. We haven't been withholding, but we haven't made a point of absolute openness.
      • Anything we can learn about the Sage, sealing (locking away) entities, Dragons, other sealing traditions (e.g., 2D carvings) could prove vital.
        • Can Leaf's Summoners meet with 7th Path storytellers? They have long memories.
        • Was the Nagi Island seal 3D?
        • Leaf/clan libraries/archives are potential sources. We don't want personal access. Could librarians search?
        • Describe the GS stone, relay Orochimaru's 'options'. Any other ideas for chakra-conductive material? Chakra metal is obvious but impossible to source.
          • Skyslicers and Shadow Clone could maybe defeat Chakra Golems?
          • Describe the weird living cave: does he know anything about that sort of thing?
      • AMITY is a potential source of knowledge, expertise, and Summoners.
        • Geopolitics is out of our lane. Is this being considered/handled?
      • Would attributing EM to Enma/Kumokogo be useful for OPSEC?
      • Soul defenses - what are those? Jonin aura? Hazo has had close encounters with the Dragons, and could use better defenses.
      • Mareo could potentially help - he's another Summoner and near Dog.
        • Can we offer him citizenship or an ANBU escort? More useful for Leaf than Dragons - left it last for that reason.
  • Orochimaru:
    • Optimize with Kei, Mari, Noburi.
    • Require privacy during construction. Orochimaru is intimidating, and we need to concentrate.
      • Depending on Asuma's answer above, we'll happily discuss construction techniques.
    • Upon arrival but before construction, discuss his 3D sealing theories. Make suggestions, ask questions. Let Orochimaru dictate how long the discussion lasts.
      • Treat him like a respected senior colleague.
      • Ask about his impression of the Dragons. Share ours if prompted.
 
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[X] Action Plan: Answering Asuma, Soothing Snakes

Say @Velorien

Did time travel Hazou keep his Iron Nerve seal library? And by extension, his Summoning Scroll Acolyte Stunt?

And if so, would his effective sealing stat of 22 allow him to essentially teach himself the sealmaster stunt without the need for a teacher?

(Rather unlikey to come up, but it's a intriguing edge case nevertheless)
 
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Sorry, did not see the edit. Divided 1300 by 27 to get 50. Three considerations left. Model is not 100 percent solid. Could be very hollow for sealers to study the middle of the first replica without obstruction. Can use pumice for lower density. Can expand to lower density by 50 percent.
How is Hazou going to get 4000 tons of pumace? The only available material we have is granite. Unless you want to build it out of dirt.

Making a hollow shell that supports the weight of the Seal seems like a good idea, but remember that any increase in features will increase the TN. So it means a worse replica and less detail.

Same with decreasing the density. Increase in TN, not to mention that we are revealing a secret capability of ES to Oro, which is a bad plan.

None of that will get us below 1000 pieces IMO. Better to just give up on the idea as impractical.
 
[X] Action Plan: Answering Asuma, Soothing Snakes

@FaintlySorcerous I realize this is probably a lot to ask. But would you mind at least hinting that we could use Minoto lootboxes if they exist? I really think this is the best time to ask for them and we really do need them to repair the GS as soon as possible.

Empowering your ninja to do their jobs is not a naked power grab, we're in so far over our collective head.

Hazou can even promise to write a supplement to Jiraiya's textbooks for the other sealmasters in Leaf one day. It's just we need the XP now to fix this.
 
[X][Asuma] Power Grab + Jobbing the Woz
<350 words.
  • Asuma.
    • Killing the Dragons and repairing the Great Seal are separate objectives.
      • Dragons.
        • Like a plague. Worse if left unattended but we caught it early.
      • Great Seal.
        • After Dragons killed, we have years to solve this.
        • Need lore. EN, Seventh Path, and maybe also the Eastern Continent. Easier for Asuma to go to Hagoromo.
        • Anything on chakra-conductive stone or chakra metal. Needed for fixing GS.
      • Bring in AMITY, foreign summoners and sealmasters.
        • Right thing to do. Leaf looks good after the fact.
    • What we think we need. Reject if too power grabby.
      • Conclave help. Ask Enma.
      • Defenses against Dragon breath.
      • Skyslicer mass production.
      • Better Earth ninjutsu strength, enhancement or comprehension to fix GS.
      • Stealth techniques for ambushing Dragons.
      • SC for summoners. Suicide techniques for SC.
      • Work together on appearing politically distant.
        • Punish us with more taxes but spend that money on public works?
        • How much would you need to bonk us when Mari and Akane become summoners?
        • Which clans need to like us more for this to be less of a problem?
    • Thank you for everything you're doing. You have patience for us despite our mistakes, and you took us seriously about the Dragons.
  • Orochimaru.
    • Sanity check with Mari + Kei.
    • Share Orochimaru's notes with Kagome.
    • GS replica.
      • Make on 7th Path.
        • In biggest pieces that can be reverse summoned.
        • Assemble on site.
        • Test if faster to make small, expand? Better detail to make big, shrink?
    • Dragons.
      • Ideas for killing them? Bringing in other summoners or sealmasters?
        • Who in Akatsuki is irredeemable?
      • Lend us Dragon parts to present to Conclave? Easier to study GS if they kill the Dragons.
      • Study 2D active seal repair as preparation for GS?
    • Test 3D sealing theories on chakra crystal.
      • Try growing crystal for more samples.
        • Measure size, characteristics carefully.
        • Test reaction to biomatter.
        • Show to a Crystal Element Dog.
      • Stay a step ahead.
        • Pick hypotheticals in feedback to focus on based on results.
        • Hide as enthusiasm of youth, not disciplined enough to give every hypothesis equal weight.
        • Mix in feedback on misleading hypotheticals.

I have a brainwave to improve the plan. Make the great seal segments in chunks corresponding to different examples for Hazō to use on his response to Oros work. This way, we have a reason to do the copy/paste rather than making it from scratch, we can do a demonstration instead of sitting there grunting in concentration. If oro complains we straight up say no, my pride in my craft will not allow me to show you substandard work. Deal with it or work with someone else. Might need to roll some socials there, but we should have a fuck tonne of invokes available, and I'm not sure how much Oro would actually care to prep beyond "Spike JA once or twice, see if they fold"

Additionally, we can build on previous lies here, maybe lean on Mari's deceit rather than ours. The terrain mapping lie is important, maybe we can say that it's just not possible to make a detailed enough work in one piece, since we need to concentrate on the seal/it's not an intended use of the bloodline. oro surely already saw the trash we produced earlier (he has no reason to believe ES is basically our capstone now lol, or that we've improved at the jutsu drastically since then)
 
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[X] Action Plan: Answering Asuma, Soothing Snakes

Looking at the plan as it is, I think I would recommend going into the <400 wordcount range. I commend your wordcount optimizations but they're edging into the 'difficult to read' territory that the QMs dislike, and at the same time I can't imagine cutting much content from this plan so imo the only thing left to do is bite the bullet and spend 1 XP to get our thoughts out better. It's an important plan in more ways than one, after all.

A few other comments from my read-through:
Dragons: we lack lore, need to maximize firepower.
What exactly is this saying? It's true as a general principle, but I can't tell if it's trying to say anything specific or not.
Tell Orochimaru everything we know about 3D sealing?
Personally I would phrase this as "Fully cooperate with Orochimaru on 3D Sealing?" This better encapsulates the sharing of anticipated future information instead of just what little we already know. (It also saves a word, too!)
Offer Mareo citizenship, an ANBU escort to Leaf?
While this does strike me as a thing we want that is also not really a power grab, does it have any relation to the Dragons? If so, that should probably be made clear to Asuma.
Information/expertise from other AMITY signatories/summoners?
I know that you don't want to brazenly bring up cooperation with Akatsuki, but I think this is a little too oblique. You don't need to mention them by name, but I think it's still important that we convey something along the lines of "we need as many summoners on board as we can get."
Have Noburi handle Tsunade.
Is there nothing we can do here? We know that this is a critical time for Noburi and that helping on this might hinder his chances with Tsunade. If there's anything we can do to support him here we should.
  • Send a letter clarifying scale (1:3? 1:1?) and requesting raw materials. Offer to excavate and transport (wood frame, rollers) existing model - faster, no need to involve Tsunade.
  • Request privacy during construction: he's terrifying. Must concentrate. Bring notes, sketches, references, use while shaping.
So, an intuition I have with Orochimaru's request here is that he already knows that we have something special letting us make accurate replicas: if it was just a matter of notes and sketches, Orochimaru could have done it himself. Bringing sketches and such with us is basically a message saying "I am pretending I do not have this special thing", which could get Orochimaru to just shrug and let the kid have his secrets as long as the job gets done, or it might vaguely offend him that we're telling such an obvious lie.

I think, personally, that if we get raw materials and then privacy that's about as much as we can manage in terms of OPSEC. He knows that we have a special thing that allows this, he knows that we need raw materials and time to do it, but we show him nothing of the actual procedure so he's left no better-informed than he was yesterday. Hopefully. There might be something else we can do to increase OPSEC but it's probably not sketches and references.

Also, Orochimaru has expressed direct disdain for the existing replica (which, granted, was made not-to-scale and at a lower skill level) in the past and I think we can safely assume he won't be satisfied with it here. Unless this is, idk, performative reluctance to frame the tone of the encounter, I don't see the value in it.
Pre/post, discuss his 3D sealing theories. Express (mutual) awe of 3D sealing. Discuss dragonslaying ideas/general approaches.
Loosely feel like this should contain some sort of 'only if he's interested, withdraw if you irritate him', but also loosely feel like that'd be blatantly obvious to Hazoupilot. Not sure if anything needs to change, just felt a need to bring it up.
 
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@Paperclipped, right now I'm finding it hard to write the Orochimaru section in any real detail because we have (IMO) little information. We have a week between now and actually creating the seal. In that time, I imagine we'd be able to send Kabuto a letter clarifying a few things, such as...
  1. How large Orochimaru wants the replica and some back-and-forth on what's feasible given our constraints (staying awake, chakra water poisoning).
  2. The negotiation of Noburi's availability.
  3. The space/materials we'll have available.
It would also be helpful to have some idea of what Orochimaru's 3D sealing theories feel like - is it over our head, are they filled with brilliant insights, do we have questions or corrections?
  1. As close to full size as possible.
  2. Noburi will be made available.
  3. The space will be attachment to one of the levels of the Basement. He will provide around a ton of quartz.
Hazou understands some parts of the report and not others. He has many suggestions and could have questions, but calling anything "corrections" is a stretch -- it's all going to be wrong until someone actually knows how 3D sealing really works.

[x] (Asuma) Action Plan: Asuma's Response + Oro

Say @Velorien

Did time travel Hazou keep his Iron Nerve seal library? And by extension, his Summoning Scroll Acolyte Stunt?

And if so, would his effective sealing stat of 22 allow him to essentially teach himself the sealmaster stunt without the need for a teacher?

(Rather unlikey to come up, but it's a intriguing edge case nevertheless)
Iron Nerve memory is tied to the specific body's nervous system, so Hazō has left it behind. However, he knows exactly how to get it back.

Regardless, he definitely has a sealing stat of 0 right now, just like he has 0 TH and 0 Underwater Basketweaving (but he knows he can reliably get UBW in Isan, so at least the most important problem's been solved).
 
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