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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Kiba said:
TBH, I think the kind of jutsu Naruto can give us will pale in comparison in what we will gain from Orochimaru.

Also, Naruto is next to useless on questions of technique hacking. If we want a TH, we can get one if we try, and so far we did not really try.
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Naruto has all of Jiraiya's jutsu so they should be on par with anything Oro has. As for why we're asking Naruto about technique hacking is because long term we want to get the fourth notes on it the harashima
 
Shrooms said:
ok we need a plan for Paper's update and this should be relatively safe

thought about including akane in the first scene as well but tbhhh it seems unfair that Ino only gets to appear when both Hazou and Akane are present whereas Akane gets to appear alone with Hazou a lot, so I opted against it. So just pretend she's busy or something

[X] A Proposal for Paper to Partake in Political Plots
Word Count: ~250

  • Ino
    • Drop by the Yamanaka estate and generally be a good partner. Buy her a new dress with Mari's advice, ask how her clan is doing and how she's doing.
    • Considering that Ino is the fulcrum by which the gossip engine of Leaf rotates, Hazou assumes she is aware of the play portraying their poly triad.
      • The obvious approach is to commission another play that depicts them in a positive light, but surely we can scheme better than that.
      • Hazou was thinking of becoming the new patron of the same crew and other crews, and commissioning even more absurd plays to confuse the narrative, while ideally still spreading a message of positivity. Theater is popular among the masses, and good relations with thespians is a better bet than trying to oppose them.
      • What does Ino think is the best approach? What does she think the most fun approach is?
  • Thespians
    • Bring Ino and Akane (if interested) to meet with the theater crew that depicted them in the play. If Ino attends let her take the lead.
      • See if Ino can uncover who commissioned the first play.
    • Offer advice to the Hazou actor on how to better portray Hazou's eccentricity. (Foot in mouth comes to mind.)
    • Hazou would like to sponsor the crew going forward, if they're interested. Comedies are good for morale!
      • Commission some plays with advice from Ino and the rest of the clan.
  • Kagome
    • Spend a few days looking over Minato's notes with Kagome
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@Kiba Better?
 
Shrooms said:
What do you want to work on?



plan doesn't say we're limiting ourselves to one crew?
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There's no reason to jettison your sealing idea from the previous plans. They're just not enough to be scenes in itself.

That said, I want to work on reusuable rocket boots. One in which we can reuse the rocket boots more than once.
[X] A Proposal for Paper to Partake in Political Plots
 
[x] Training Hazo: Medknow 1
hopefully will be enough to learn medical instruments and terminology

making up with naruto is good. doesn't sound very persuasive now, but that could possibly be fixed with relevant sanity checks (dunno what those checks would look like right now).
i think non-public seals are a better upgrade than jiraiya jutsu

[X] Sealing and Scaling

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i guess if we change the jutsu trade to focus on jutsu helpful without lotsa xp investment (stunt/utility, training) could be useful trade.
 
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How do you feel about this, @Paperclipped ?

[x] Action Plan: Crusader Kages II
  • Mari check all:
  • Study J's notes for a week with SCs.
  • Find a fellow clan head to go into business with. Who does Mari think we could benefit from closer ties to? Asuma? Hinata? Choji's Dad? Roll our shiny new Bureaucracy stat to locate a niche in the market, and set up a meeting.
    • Meta-suggestions:
      • Glass industry with Shino?
  • Hire acting troupes to put on sfw performances of Jiraiya's works. Pay generously, draw attention to how many stories J wrote (implying stable work), don't work with troupes that take part in the smear campaign, and let incentives do the rest.
  • Begin purchasing empty land near Leaf that we can eventually earthshape buildings onto for fun and profit.
 
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MadScientist said:
How do you feel about this, @Paperclipped ?

[x] Action Plan: Crusader Kages II
  • Mari check all:
  • Study J's notes for a week with SCs.
  • Find a fellow clan head to go into business with. Who does Mari think we could benefit from closer ties to? Asuma? Hinata? Choji's Dad? Roll our shiny new Bureaucracy stat to locate a niche in the market, and set up a meeting.
  • Hire acting troupes to put on sfw performances of Jiraiya's works. Pay generously, draw attention to how many stories J wrote (implying stable work), don't work with troupes that take part in the smear campaign, and let incentives do the rest.
  • Begin purchasing empty land near Leaf that we can eventually earthshape buildings onto for fun and profit.
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Locating a new niche in the market feels unspecified. Making the QM do all the work is no good.

I would suggest targeting the glass niche. Specifically work with the Abrume to make eyeglasses, eyewear protection, lens for telescopes and microscope. Form a shareholding company with them or something, like Precision Glasswork.

We did laid the groundwork, such as researching glassworkers to adopt into the clan, but never really moved beyond that.
 
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Kiba said:
Locating a new niche in the market feels unspecified. Making the QM do all the work is no good.

I would suggest targeting the glass niche. Specifically work with the Abrume to make eyeglasses, eyewear protection, lens for telescopes and microscope.

We did laid the groundwork, such as researching glassworkers to adopt into the clan, but never really moved beyond that.
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Well I could certainly make suggestions, but ultimately it is up to QMs where the niches are. I can't jump the gun on that by saying "do x" before they've decided whether x is even a market it makes sense to go into.
 
MadScientist said:
Find a fellow clan head to go into business with. Who does Mari think we could benefit from closer ties to? Asuma? Hinata? Choji's Dad? Roll our shiny new Bureaucracy stat to locate a niche in the market, and set up a meeting.
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As always my opinion is that money means nothing so not interested in just the business part. Would like to have it be more targeted to sit up a political move with a specific clan with defined goals
 
MadScientist said:
I intend it less as "make money", and more as "build a working relationship with someone important".
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Ok who do you want to build a working relationship with? What move are you trying to sit up with this

Also you should take a look at my plan has some necromancy and bio sealing in it that I think you might like
Oneiros said:
Plan that I think would be fun, give us some more powerups and, advance project necromancy
Plan to add relevant sanity checks but would like the more conservative players to suggest exactly how they would like them to be phrased

[X] Action Plan: Trading secrets for ultimate power
  • Naruto
    • Go over all the rewards we got from trading with Oro
    • Meetup with Naruto and offer to trade him whatever he might be interested in for jutsu that Jiraiya left him
      • Hazou knows how Naruto feels about him but he thinks Jiraiya 's clan should have some of his legacy
      • Hazou understand that he might not want him to learn them but we would be willing to promise to restrict them however Naruto wants
      • We miss him and we're hitting a wall on figuring out how to get him back.
    • Talk about Hazou's struggles on trying to get the rift open
      • Hazou has some vague thoughts that combining a custom justu with seals we might have better luck
      • Hazou knows that Minato was able to combine the two disciplines to incredible effect
        • Based on how complicate the Bijuu seal Hazou wouldn't even be able to begin to understand any notes he left
        • But if Naruto knows someone who might be willing to teach Hazou we would like to know about them
        • Or if he knows of any beginner level resources we might start to study
  • Sealing
    • Take a day to begin working on the Bijou seals with Kagome
      • Discuss how weird Naruto's "seal" was
      • Hazou has some understanding of traditional biosealing from his most recent discussion with Orochimaru.
        • What's on Naruto feels like it's on a whole different level than what he understands biosealing is actually capable of doing
        • He thinks that to truly crack the Bijuu seals we might have to start exploring biosealing. He wants to see how they can start safely experimenting with the discipline
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MadScientist said:
Well I could certainly make suggestions, but ultimately it is up to QMs where the niches are. I can't jump the gun on that by saying "do x" before they've decided whether x is even a market it makes sense to go into.
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In improvisational comedy, this is what's called an offer. It's an idea or action or dialog which advances the scene(or in our case, what we want to do). A good offer is often specific and/or bold. This makes it easier for your scene partner to improvise.

You're not really making it's easy for QM to 'improvise'.

It works better if you specify niches you want to target or try out. Instead of giving general direction, give options, and be specific if you can.

For example:

"I am sad." versus "I got fired from my job because of that stuck up bitch!"

Which one is easier for the QM to write a story?

Why glassworks? It accomplish both uplift and military goals if we can get telescope or microscope, which can mean better biosealing research. We can also build working relationships with Abrume, which is more win for us. Telescopes mean longer distance between our target we're scouting and us.

This is better than the very general plan of "find niches we can make money from".

Source: I am an improv student.
 
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Shrooms said:
ok we need a plan for Paper's update and this should be relatively safe

thought about including akane in the first scene as well but tbhhh it seems unfair that Ino only gets to appear when both Hazou and Akane are present whereas Akane gets to appear alone with Hazou a lot, so I opted against it. So just pretend she's busy or something

[X] A Proposal for Paper to Partake in Political Plots
Word Count: ~250

  • Ino
    • Drop by the Yamanaka estate and generally be a good partner. Buy her a new dress with Mari's advice, ask how her clan is doing and how she's doing.
    • Considering that Ino is the fulcrum by which the gossip engine of Leaf rotates, Hazou assumes she is aware of the play portraying their poly triad.
      • The obvious approach is to commission another play that depicts them in a positive light, but surely we can scheme better than that.
      • Hazou was thinking of becoming the new patron of the same crew and other crews, and commissioning even more absurd plays to confuse the narrative, while ideally still spreading a message of positivity. Theater is popular among the masses, and good relations with thespians is a better bet than trying to oppose them.
      • What does Ino think is the best approach? What does she think the most fun approach is?
  • Thespians
    • Bring Ino and Akane (if interested) to meet with the theater crew that depicted them in the play. If Ino attends let her take the lead.
      • See if Ino can uncover who commissioned the first play.
    • Offer advice to the Hazou actor on how to better portray Hazou's eccentricity. (Foot in mouth comes to mind.)
    • Hazou would like to sponsor the crew going forward, if they're interested. Comedies are good for morale!
      • Commission some plays with advice from Ino and the rest of the clan.
  • Kagome
    • Spend a few days looking over Minato's notes with Kagome
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@MadScientist Here's my plan btw, if you are interested
 
Cariyaga said:
[X] Sealing and Scaling
  • Sealing
    • Now that Hazou's done with the administrative nonsense, he can work with Kagome on Minato's Seals. Have at it! Invoke at least one FP on any particularly difficult things, and freely use them to reroll if it's necessary.
  • Scaling
    • Arrange, with Mari and Kagome's (as a sealmaster himself) help as to phrasing, meetings with the various sealmasters of Leaf to purchase for use (not research!) their seals in quantities as close to that which Kagome would approve of as is reasonable
      • Search particularly for seals that would play well with MARS. The intention here is to improve our MARS loadout for future missions.
      • Things to offer in exchange, in approximate order of desirability to do so, to the limits of our capacity to do so: Money, influence, a vetted sealing project within X timeframe (intended to be after effective sealing is ~80, so 2 years or so?), providing seals for tower requirements (The X storage/explosive scrolls required monthly of a sealmaster), our time (in the immediate sense), missions in the near term taken for their benefit
    • Go over all the rewards we got from trading with Oro
    • Run this by Mari beforehand, but meetup with Naruto and offer to trade him whatever he might be interested in for jutsu that Jiraiya left him
      • Hazou understand that he might not want him to learn them but we would be willing to promise to restrict them however Naruto wants; any jutsu that Atomu, who doesn't have all of his fingers, could use in particular, would be good. And his other clanmates, of course.
      • The medical notes are earmarked to be ran by Tsunade in the near future, of course, but Naruto is welcome to learn from them regardless; he's sure Tsunade would kill to have Naruto better able to handle work in the hospital, when it's especially needed.
    • Talk about Hazou's struggles on trying to get the rift open
      • Hazou has some vague thoughts that combining a custom justu with seals we might have better luck
      • Hazou knows that Minato was able to combine the two disciplines to incredible effect
        • It's possible that combining jutsu and sealcraft may make it possible to open the rift, but he'll need someone willing to help
        • That or several months to learn it himself. Does Naruto know of anyone?
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Adjusted my plan again; if anyone objects strongly to this, do let me know. It's based on Oneiros' plan.
 
Cariyaga said:
That's fair. Do you have any suggestions for less off-screeny parts of the plan?
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My first thought is that we could go to Arachnid and inform Kumokogo about the incoming Orochimaru. That in and of itself could be easily squared away as 'offscreen, presumed done' but it also gives us the opportunity to follow up on a few Dragonwar threads that we haven't hashed out yet. Namely:
  • What are Arachnid's neighbours, and what are relations like with them?
  • How did the Hornets get to Arachnid, and does it seem likely that the Crusade might be able to follow the same route?
  • Go explore Archaeopteryx island to see if we can find anything of use, particularly with our sealtech that the Arachnid scouts wouldn't have.
I'll let you know if I come up with anything for specifically within-Leaf, but I really want to add more clans to the map I would be happy to see this in the next update, both because I've been itching to do something for the Crusade plotline for months now and because exploring Archaeopteryx Island sounds cool.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
My first thought is that we could go to Arachnid and inform Kumokogo about the incoming Orochimaru. That in and of itself could be easily squared away as 'offscreen, presumed done' but it also gives us the opportunity to follow up on a few Dragonwar threads that we haven't hashed out yet. Namely:
  • What are Arachnid's neighbours, and what are relations like with them?
  • How did the Hornets get to Arachnid, and does it seem likely that the Crusade might be able to follow the same route?
  • Go explore Archaeopteryx island to see if we can find anything of use, particularly with our sealtech that the Arachnid scouts wouldn't have.
I'll let you know if I come up with anything for specifically within-Leaf, but I really want to add more clans to the map I would be happy to see this in the next update, both because I've been itching to do something for the Crusade plotline for months now and because exploring Archaeopteryx Island sounds cool.
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Hmm... what about pursuing a telescope to borrow from Ino, so that Kagome can look at the great seal from a distance?
 
Cariyaga said:
Hmm... what about pursuing a telescope to borrow from Ino, so that Kagome can look at the great seal from a distance?
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That also sounds like a good option! Especially since, if done before the 7Path part of the update, it would allow us to tangibly do something other than gather intel and plan and/or start an expedition.
 
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