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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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And snorri has broken several of these rules. We are not a conservative runesmith, the only authority we follow is thungni himself and he hasn't told us to shut up yet. And I really doubt that there is a clause of "you can not leave once you join." the rule that's probably in place is "you can not talk about what is said about Burundi activity." and snorri will hold to that. But just openly going, "I no longer want to be part of the Burundi." is very likely not forbidden.

Also if you vote because of what others opinion is then I don't really care what you vote for.
You are, yet again, incorrect. According to Snorri's interpretation of the rules of Runesmithing he has not broken them. How the Rules are defined is the very foundation of politics in the Cult.

I was mentioning that your argument that we can just "lol takesy backsies" was enough to make me want to remove any possibility of that choice from reaching the player base.
 
You are, yet again, incorrect. According to Snorri's interpretation of the rules of Runesmithing he has not broken them. How the Rules are defined is the very foundation of politics in the Cult.

I was mentioning that your argument that we can just "lol takesy backsies" was enough to make me want to remove any possibility of that choice from reaching the player base.
Well then you better start convincing them. And no, "no tacksie backsies" is not what I meant. But I doubt we would be eternally locked by contract to be OK with shitty practices in the Burundi (if there are any). Dwarfs a strict and like to stick to the rules but their also not unreasonable.
 
"I wasn't here when you decided to join them was I? Even so, they're nowhere near as foolish. Durin learned from the lessons he gained from the Burudin," Yorri says with a scoff.
Now this bit is an intriguing (or perhaps disturbing) nugget of knowledge. If not just Yorri, but Durin himself in some way disapproves of the Burudin? The organization he founded? Then I see no reason to ignore the wisdom of our elders twice over.

[X] [Burudin:] No:
 
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[X] [Home:] Embrace
Fine. Fine. If the idiots are choosing to be cheeky and finagle a way to stay in your home, they're going to at least pay for the privilege! It will require a good deal of work, and cost a pretty penny both in time and effort, but if it's going to be done, then it's going to be done right. Your southern colleagues may grumble and growl, but when have they not? You're over a thousand years old, they can suck on a particularly porous piece of pumice for all you care! Unlocks further options.

[X] [Burudin:] Yes:
Gain title, Member of the Burudin. Options Unlocked. Yorri is too plagued by his mysterious old hurts to see the truth. Accept Alric's offer, and join the Burudin.
 
Well then you better start convincing them. And no, "no tacksie backsies" is not what I meant. But I doubt we would be eternally locked by contract to be OK with shitty practices in the Burundi (if there are any). Dwarfs a strict and like to stick to the rules but their also not unreasonable.
Oh I certainly can make arguments for it.

What do people value more? Specifically what does Snorri, a widower, value more? Family or politics-ridden prestige?
 
[X] [Home:] Reject
Enough is enough! The beardlings certainly like to act clever, but your home will not be made a lodge! Reinforce and change the rules of all future agreements to put a stop to the practice. The political and practical headaches that can arise from letting things continue as they are is simply too big. It will certainly remove a means for the more ornery members of the House to bother you. The buggers.
-[X] Find new accommodations: In removing one problem, that being the overcrowding of your home, you have created another. Perhaps it is no concern of yours, but you will do what you can to find a way to house them now that

Snorri designed Academy City

Do you accept?

[X] [Burudin:] No:
Gain Nothing/??? Heed your teacher, and decline Alric's offer to join the Burudin.

less politics please.
 
[X] [Burudin:] Yes:
If Yorri is willing to flat-out say that Durin learned lessons from founding the Burudin, yeah, imma follow his lead.
Edit: Switched vote, Soul's explanation changed my opinion
 
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[X] [Home:] Reject
- [X] Find new accommodations: In removing one problem, that being the overcrowding of your home, you have created another. Perhaps it is no concern of yours, but you will do what you can to find a way to house them now that squatting in your home is no longer an option. Unlocks further options.

[X] [Burudin:] No:
 
I feel like a choice is being presented to us here: The continuation of our efforts to influence Runesmith society.

If you'll cast your mind back to the past, there were two, or perhaps three, distinct moments where we rallied the local Runesmith community into a single cohesive working unit to get shit done.

While incorporating the living areas into an actual campus is less overt than that, it's essentially proposing the establishment of a Runesmith University, where enlightened minds and masters alike gather to converse with each-other and learn.

It is, to put it lightly, pretty fucking radical. It doesn't directly subvert the bond of Master and Apprentice, but even just opening up a forum for Master Runesmiths to talk to their peers more than once every few decades would have incredibly long lasting effect.

The entire quest has carried a subtle -at first- element of Snorri moulding the Runesmiths of the North into his idea of what a Runesmith should be, one who carefully works around certain traditions of the old ways that are incredibly limiting to Runesmiths for the better of the Dawi race. One could consider it a subtle re-interpretation of tradition for the good of all Dawi. The most obvious of this was an example presented to us in the very beginning of the story: The Rule of Pride, that states that a Dawi must never copy their past works.

This is, of course, completely ignored by pretty much every Runesmith because it's hideously impractical. Snorri's ethos seems to work along these lines, tactidly ignoring or working around these problematic elements.

This comes nicely into the proposition of the Burudin, there has been some quiet muttering over quite how radical Snorri is being, though never particularly loud because by god does he get results. It could be considered a subtle show of approval by Alric, that he sees that our ways are divergent and still sees fit to admit us into the big club that actually decides Runesmith politics. This could be seen as Alric as a way of avoiding a Schism within the Runesmithing guild between the North Hold and the South Holds.

Again, an ongoing theme of this quest has been the changing of traditions that stifle the Dawi when presented with the practicality of their existence. One only need compare how the Runesmiths of the north act compared to the "typical" Runesmith you might learn about a few thousand years in the future of the Canon timeline.

In conclusion: I think that the choice here will effect how we want to leave our mark on the Dawi on a whole. By creating this "University" and accepting the Burudin, we could have a significantly greater impact on the entire Runesmith community at the cost of having even more of or precious time taken from us and having to deal with nasty politics.

On the other hand, if we create this "University" and reject the Burudin, it could be seen as us rejecting the ways of the South at the same time we do yet another rather radical yet very practical thing. It's sure to ruffle more than a few feathers, and it might just deepen the divide between those who follow our way and the rest.

Of course, we could do neither if we really don't want to stick our fingers in the time bomb just yet.


The most important question to ask is: Is it actually a bad thing if we create a schism in the guild? The "traditional" guild is frankly an impractical abomination, more fit for creating the occasional piece of fine art for the rich to coo at than actually serve any practical purpose. It was designed this way on purpose after all, it is called the art of Runesmithing and many of the rules go out of their way to make sure that Runesmiths are always striving to create singular pieces of art rather than more practical pieces.

Perhaps having a traditional faction and a "Snorrism" faction could lead to changes or reforms that benefit the Dawi as a whole, in exchange for losing some of the magic that makes Runesmithing "special". It's rather like the choice between a hand-crafted chair and one slapped together by a factory line, chances are there isn't that much difference between the two but you can make significantly more of the latter.

[X] [Burudin:] No
[X] [Home:] Embrace

My vote goes here, because I do not believe getting involved with the Burudin is a good idea, but I believe that fostering a closer community within the Runesmiths is a fantastic idea.
 
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You've caught out enough Dwarfs who entered their vaults to stow away their tools after a long day only to fall asleep within.
You're a slave driver Snorri.
with wooden crenelations and stout walls pockmarked with drains and slits fit for bolt throwers and quarrellers to fire from to keep the spray and foes at bay.
Getting some real Cnut orders the tides back vibes there.
when he was but a Journeyman drunk off his arse in a Ravnsvake tavern, he had sworn to Valen Swiftsea that a Dwarf could build a ship as fine as any Elf, incensed by the latter's belief that the Dawi could not match her people in the design or running of seagoing vessels.
He's like a nautical Snorri without the productivity.
The argument whether or not dwarves did match the elf boats is going to be a disputed topic on both sides for centuries given the massively different philosophies.
if he simply believed the lessons about what was proper process were more important than the results themselves
This feels like something dwarves get in fights in taverns semi regularly about
"The short story is that we'll be in for a slog when we get to the Fimir heartlands. The long story will require a good deal more time and every last map we've made to properly describe," Brokk explains, beckoning the others to drop their satchels and lay them against the table with him.
Nice, really really not sure what we would have got if the crits continued.
Who dis?
Karstah remembers nodding, but she isn't sure when she fell unconscious. Nevertheless, she wakes up in the Temple of Valaya two days later with a matron tutting down at her.
The goal of any dynasty quest is to have the heir pick up all of the current characters best traits. Because Snorri has no bad traits, we're going to be recreating a lot of relationships.
While you aren't as up-to-date with the goings-on around the Brana as someone like Dolgi would be, you are aware that around a century ago there were a few Brana chicks that hatched bearing odd traits and, as you all later learned, an ability to wield Chamon.
Don't remember if this was in an update, do dwarves create enough background Chamon radiation that its mutating some Brana?
skeptical-looking group of Thanes.
So not only is it magic, its new magic. That hasn't come from the closest thing you have to an answer.
Durin learned from the lessons he gained from the Burudin,"
We're wearing him down slowly.
 
Oh I certainly can make arguments for it.

What do people value more? Specifically what does Snorri, a widower, value more? Family or politics-ridden prestige?
You really think this will stop yorri from being family? Do you really think that? Because I think we could only manage that if we actively tried, and this is not it...

[X ] [Burudin:] Yes:
Gain title, Member of the Burudin. Options Unlocked. Yorri is too plagued by his mysterious old hurts to see the truth. Accept Alric's offer, and join the Burudin.

[X] [Home:] Reject
- [X] Find new accommodations: In removing one problem, that being the overcrowding of your home, you have created another. Perhaps it is no concern of yours, but you will do what you can to find a way to house them now that squatting in your home is no longer an option. Unlocks further options.
 
[X] [Home:] Reject
Enough is enough! The beardlings certainly like to act clever, but your home will not be made a lodge! Reinforce and change the rules of all future agreements to put a stop to the practice. The political and practical headaches that can arise from letting things continue as they are is simply too big. It will certainly remove a means for the more ornery members of the House to bother you. The buggers.
- [X] Find new accommodations: In removing one problem, that being the overcrowding of your home, you have created another. Perhaps it is no concern of yours, but you will do what you can to find a way to house them now that squatting in your home is no longer an option. Unlocks further options.
[X] [Burudin:] Yes:
Gain title, Member of the Burudin. Options Unlocked. Yorri is too plagued by his mysterious old hurts to see the truth. Accept Alric's offer, and join the Burudin.

While I like embracing the Runesmiths sleeping in our home, I feel like it would be too radical for little payoff that couldn't be achieved by building different accommodations. I'm guessing that there will be some kind of Runesmith-campus option locked behind the new accommodations, which while still radical should lessen the perception that we bind these other Runesmiths to us.
 
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[X] [Home:] Reject
Enough is enough! The beardlings certainly like to act clever, but your home will not be made a lodge! Reinforce and change the rules of all future agreements to put a stop to the practice. The political and practical headaches that can arise from letting things continue as they are is simply too big. It will certainly remove a means for the more ornery members of the House to bother you. The buggers.
-[X] Find new accommodations: In removing one problem, that being the overcrowding of your home, you have created another. Perhaps it is no concern of yours, but you will do what you can to find a way to house them now that squatting in your home is no longer an option.

[X] [Burudin:] No:
Gain Nothing/??? Heed your teacher, and decline Alric's offer to join the Burudin.
 
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in regards to radicalizing sharing knowledge, we do not need to embrace everyone inside snorri's home, merely getting them all to work in his home and then drinking and talking to each other in the nearby town, upgraded to accommodate them, would be a good compromise, slow cook the frog so to speak.
 
@soulcake If we vote for Find new accommodations will we have the option to build something similar to what Snorri has proposed for his own home? A unified campus where many Runesmiths live and work together.
 
[X] [Home:] Embrace
Fine. Fine. If the idiots are choosing to be cheeky and finagle a way to stay in your home, they're going to at least pay for the privilege! It will require a good deal of work, and cost a pretty penny both in time and effort, but if it's going to be done, then it's going to be done right. Your southern colleagues may grumble and growl, but when have they not? You're over a thousand years old, they can suck on a particularly porous piece of pumice for all you care! Unlocks further options.
[X] [Burudin:] Yes:
Gain title, Member of the Burudin. Options Unlocked. Yorri is too plagued by his mysterious old hurts to see the truth. Accept Alric's offer, and join the Burudin.
 
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[X] [Burudin:] Yes:
Gain title, Member of the Burudin. Options Unlocked. Yorri is too plagued by his mysterious old hurts to see the truth. Accept Alric's offer, and join the Burudin.

[X] [Home:] Reject
- [X] Find new accommodations: In removing one problem, that being the overcrowding of your home, you have created another. Perhaps it is no concern of yours, but you will do what you can to find a way to house them now that squatting in your home is no longer an option. Unlocks further options.

Smh, we have built a community around the campus(Workshop) for this reason. I wanna rely on them more to solve this problem for us
 
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