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Didn't he inspire it way back in the evenstar lead socials whammy we laid on Mari?
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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We could try to explain that Mari didn't actually put Kei in danger. Oh and also tell/ask Ami to not do anything to Mari because if Mari dies, then it's a lot harder for us to live. And the us includes Kei.
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Yes, this is the reason I don't think we should get involved
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Please offer alternative solutions then, just shouting that you disagree with us is not helpful to solving the situation
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Agony that desires to meet Extinction
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Disagree on what? Oneiros I'm trying to convince you that your opinion that we can sit by and watch the fireworks is deadly wrong. I'm arguing that you saying that we can sit this out is actually harmful to the situation. Don't try and paint the situation as just me being a shouty asshole.
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Fine you disagree with our analysis. That's fine. But repeatedly shouting your opinion does not help to solve the situation.
Ideally I would like for Mari to have a chance to explain the situation before Kei does. So we should have Noburi message her to give us time before she tells Ami
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Agony that desires to meet Extinction
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You attempted to argue that because they were pluralities the situation of Ami get's Mari Dead won't happen because they'll be more reasonable than that. I then pointed out that Ami is far less reasonable than that, especially when it comes to Keiko. I have also stated that I don't have a solution because I suck at speaking. My stated goal was to convince you that their is in fact a big problem not give you a solution.
Oneiros don't be your usual self and try to paint someone that disagrees with you in a bad light. I did not scream and shout multiple times trying to bash your skull in with a point. I have been entirely civil and hope that you can do the same.
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In both plans I'd like to see Hazou draw parallels between Mari's actions towards Kei and Ami's actions towards the KEI (with the FGP). I think they're very similar on a lot of levels, even if there are some critical differences.
EDIT: for clarity
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RAN OUT OF SPOONS AND MISJUDGED WHEN THE VOTE CLOSED
OH WELL
MAJOR EDITS IN PROGRESS
RESTRUCTURING ARGUMENT AROUND AMI'S PREVIOUS COMMENTS ON OROCHIMARU
[X] ACTION PLAN: Full* Disclosure
OH WELL
[X] ACTION PLAN: Full* Disclosure
- Lead Ami to the nearest private, OPSEC-friendly area
- Explain the Orochimaru incident to the Ami
- Keep Shadow Clone and Iron Nerve OPSEC. Additionally, do not discuss Asuma's inability to control Orochimaru.
- Prelude by emphasizing safe resolution.
- Starting from the beggining, explain what happened in as much detail as possible. Stop where Mari enters the room.
- Ami, Mari was in an impossible scenario
- Orochimaru blindsided us "like a Chakra megladon hitting a dinghy" and was seconds from learning something that would guarantee my vivisection
- Mari tried everything she could, but Orochimaru wasn't inclined to listen.
- As her last resort, she diverted his attention towards Kei and personally kept him occupied long enough for Kei and I to escape and start preparing countermeasures.
- 'It worked' (briefly summarize the successful resolution)
- Nothing else would have worked and you know it.
- You said it yourself, "the trick to dealing with somebody who already has everything they want is to get them to want something new." This was the only way buy us the time we needed.
- Were Orochimaru after anyone else, we couldn't have stopped him
- You had minutes to plan and had to delve so deeply into the Frozein Skein that it would have killed Kei. Mari had seconds.
- "This situation is not indicative of Mari being a threat to Kei"
- Ami, don't blame Mari
- Mari didn't chose this: "Free will counts for nothing in the face of true power. If that power judges you valuable, it is useless to run. It is ineffective to hide. It is hopeless to fight. All you can do is bargain, and hope that the other is inclined to listen."
- Please, Ami, don't hurt my mom. (Be vulnerable here)
- Mari intentionally placed herself at substantial risk and was hurt distracting Orochimaru.
- We understand your anger. Her actions don't sit right with us either.
- We hate that Kei is hurt.
- Ami, don't blame Mari
Explain why Kei was hurtKei never wanted to be a tool againKei wants no relation with Mari now. Snowflake may feel differently; they were hit by this in different ways.We do not blame her for feeling like this
State our own feelingsWe hate that Kei is hurtingMari's choice doesn't sit well with us either
Ami, Mari was in an impossible scenarioYou said it yourself. OroDespite this, Mari acted completely rationally, even by Kei's own admission, and we got Orochimaru to back down without anyone being vivisected.We've seen the FGP; we know Ami understands that sometimes there are no good options.Please don't hurt my mom.
Implore Ami to focus on supporting Kei with us instead of taking revenge.
- After talking with Ami, speak with Shikamaru as soon as possible without drawing suspicion.
- Go to the most secured room the Nara will allow outsiders in
- Talk to Shikamaru about Asuma
- Something was different about him today.
- He had different mannerisms. A different tone and energy. He acted oddly.
- Did Shikamaru notice anything? Does he know anything about this?
- DO NOT ADVOCATE FOR ANYTHING
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Could you explain further?
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As he said above, @Velorien volunteered to write that scene if you want to vote for it.
The frame might be.
No plans by pointer addition, please. "Continue previous plan" is fine, but if you want to add stuff to it then you need to copy over all the stuff you want from the previous plan.
It tickles me that our community is so awesome that this fairly mildly-expressed anger is what passes for internet acrimony in MfD. Still, both of you please take a breath. I think both of you are acting in good faith and I don't think either of you meant to insult/offend the other, but it seems like things are heating up a bit so let's nip it in the bud now. @Oneiros, I didn't see anything that I would have considered shouting, so please don't point that finger. @Unaligned Player , please don't accuse Oneiros of dishonest discourse.
Essentially the heart of the anger is that Mari had no business risking Kei's life to save Hazou when she had other -admittedly worse- options. Frankly, I disagree there, but just like Mari with Kei, Ami has condemned dozens already and potentially hundreds of Leaf ninja to be tortured and eventually die in the Final Gift Program. Leaf ninja she has a responsibility to, since they are all KEI ninja and she is a KEI coordinator. Any objection to Mari's behavior would mark her as Queen of the Hypocrites.
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Why are we trying to do social engineering? Hazō has some issues executing, and the Hivemind tends to forget important bits of social interactions. I would lean more towards going somewhere private with Mari and Ami and letting them talk about it. Hazō can try to moderate, or he can just let the two adults talk it out. Ami is chaos personified, yes, but she is also pretty good at reading people and will be able to get a truer read of Mari than we have been able to.
Eisenhelm
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The Timeline is a bit blurry but Mari may be on a mission right now.
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Right right. Shrodinger's Jonin. Wouldn't it be (not at all) funny if all this debate is pointless because Mari is KIA?
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Which is why I want to message Kei to let her know not to talk to Ami about it immediately. We can message her through the 7th path so can get ahead of any shenanigans
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Out of curiosity, what on earth did you use as key words in order to find an instance of someone stroking their chin?
If Kei doesn't check the Seventh path in the next 10 minutes, and there's no reason to think she would, then Ami just goes to the Nara estate and this does nothing. There's no particular reason Kei would be inclined to listen to Hazou on this issue anyway.
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Especially since the search tool doesn't let you do phrases as far as I can tell.
Searching the thread for posts with the word "chin" by you and Vel only has 3 pages of results. It's not a common word.
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I think that Kei has a lot of legitimate beef with Mari. Mari kidnapped her away from her loved ones (loved one, maybe), lied by omission about having done so, and failed to meaningfully apologize for having done so when the truth did come out.
I think that Kei's non-legitimate beef is that Kei put Mari on a pedestal and Mari failed to live up to that impossible standard. I think that a lot of Kei's feelings about Mari come from misplaced grief. Kei doesn't want to have to deal with the fact that she lost a mother and that Mari is not culpable for that loss. That person never existed. Kei projected her imagination onto Mari.
Until she looks long and hard at those feelings and where they're coming from, she's going to be bitter and unhappy because there's just going to be this sense of loss that will never go away, because it will remain forever unprocessed.
And until she can stop conflating the two and seperate them, I don't think she's going to see any resolution for either problem.
I think that Kei's non-legitimate beef is that Kei put Mari on a pedestal and Mari failed to live up to that impossible standard. I think that a lot of Kei's feelings about Mari come from misplaced grief. Kei doesn't want to have to deal with the fact that she lost a mother and that Mari is not culpable for that loss. That person never existed. Kei projected her imagination onto Mari.
Until she looks long and hard at those feelings and where they're coming from, she's going to be bitter and unhappy because there's just going to be this sense of loss that will never go away, because it will remain forever unprocessed.
And until she can stop conflating the two and seperate them, I don't think she's going to see any resolution for either problem.
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I mean...kinda not? Isn't it established that Ami had very little contact with Kei and was freezing her out? And she only feels comfortable now with her due to Mari's actions and due to Kei now being in a completely different village/political situation?
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I think that 'you kidnapped me and never apologized' is a pretty valid complaint, especially given that the apology she did get pretty clearly came from a manipulative Mari.
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Ah, of course.
Oceania was never at war with Eastasia.
Ami left for Mist on January 21st. With ~3 days to travel, the coup had to happen within 48 hours of Ami returning to Mist. Though that's clearly just a coincidence.
Technically untrue. You just need to model the entire modern-world civilization alongside Hazou's in-universe personality, and you could probably get a decent approximation just by getting a good read on the top 15 MfD players plus the thread logistics.
"Across his chin" and variations, I'd assume.
It does, you just need to put the phrase in quotation marks, same as Google. It sometimes does weird things if any words in the phrase are shorter than three characters long though, IIRC.
Asuma felt guilty, distraught, and helpless after he failed to protect us from Oro, so he cast around for any and all possible ways to keep a handle on him. Someone, likely Tsunade, must have suggested adopting Jiraiya's mannerisms as a way of manipulating him subtly enough he wouldn't notice.
Orrr there's a growing lupchanzen infestation in Leaf, likely originating from Ino or Akane after the sky squid got them when they slept with Hazou on that skytower. Your pick.
Edit: Oh yeah, by the way:
I kind of glanced down to the last line as I approached the end of the update, so that definitely got me out of context, and just as I figured that the relative that falls was Ren. Nice job, @Velorien.
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