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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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So from what I understand dwarves regularly take their knowledge to the grave if they can't find suitable students to pass it on to.

So is there something we can do to improve this situation ? Because this system will be unsustainable in the long run and lead to degradation of knowledge.
 
godofsmallthings said:
So from what I understand dwarves regularly take their knowledge to the grave if they can't find suitable students to pass it on to.

So is there something we can do to improve this situation ? Because this system will be unsustainable in the long run and lead to degradation of knowledge.
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We could maybe change the holds culture but changing the rest of Karak Ankor would be impossible.
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godofsmallthings said:
So from what I understand dwarves regularly take their knowledge to the grave if they can't find suitable students to pass it on to.

So is there something we can do to improve this situation ? Because this system will be unsustainable in the long run and lead to degradation of knowledge.
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possible since this is still the age of the ancestors and a lot of the traditions that would become the norm during the golden age and afterwards have yet to be set in stone
 
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godofsmallthings said:
So from what I understand dwarves regularly take their knowledge to the grave if they can't find suitable students to pass it on to.

So is there something we can do to improve this situation ? Because this system will be unsustainable in the long run and lead to degradation of knowledge.
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Train more apprentices. No, really, if they don't meet your standards to learn all your secrets, train more, until you score one who does, and for those who don't meet all your standards you teach them all you can accept in the areas which they do.

Like, IMO, every Master Runesmith should permanently maintain at least 2-3 apprentices at all times, picking up a new one as soon as they find someone with any potential to learn after that. Every graduate will follow your example and do the same.

And the thing is, you don't have to just pass down a secret to your apprentices alone. You can teach a worthy Master Runesmith, if they're willing to bend on pride and they are demonstrably worthy.
If your apprentices don't measure up in their lifetimes perhaps they'd yet train a student who exceeds their ability.
 
veekie said:
Train more apprentices. No, really, if they don't meet your standards to learn all your secrets, train more, until you score one who does, and for those who don't meet all your standards you teach them all you can accept in the areas which they do.

Like, IMO, every Master Runesmith should permanently maintain at least 2-3 apprentices at all times, picking up a new one as soon as they find someone with any potential to learn after that. Every graduate will follow your example and do the same.

And the thing is, you don't have to just pass down a secret to your apprentices alone. You can teach a worthy Master Runesmith, if they're willing to bend on pride and they are demonstrably worthy.
If your apprentices don't measure up in their lifetimes perhaps they'd yet train a student who exceeds their ability.
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Would a Dwarf that bends on Pride be considered worthy by another Dwarf? That's the sticking point for the hidebound people isnt it?
 
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Abhishek M said:
Would a Dwarf that bends on Pride byle considered worthy by another Dwarf? That's the sticking point for the hidebound people isnt it?
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The ratio of runesmiths that are that hidebound to runesmiths that arent isn't as lopsided for the former as one may think, actually its just a bit in favour of the latter. Otherwise, you wouldn't have Snorri achieve the status of Runelord when he believes in the looser interpretation. It's the same in an association as storied and old as the Burudin, several members of which are direct students of Thungni. Dwarfs that are, despite the best efforts of the world, still kicking from a time before or just after Runecraft was introduced.

Thungni is too busy to settle a squabble between beardlings. If they can't figure out something this simple he's, not really surprised actually.
 
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also, as far as runes are concerned, if we want to write down Runelore on gromril sheets, there is no one in the hold who can gainsay us, as we are the most senior of runesmiths in there. It's just a form of keeping a Diary.
I guess if that knowledge started spreading uncontrolled, there would be issues with the Burudin, but we're not doing it.
 
You know, A book on runes passed down from master to student, with each generation adding a page they feel is their best work. Then each generation is forced to work harder to out do the last sounds like something that can save knowledge and allow longboards another way to complain and grumble
 
Get an oath from your student that they will make atleast one of their own copy as well and that both will go to different apprentices. Who they will ask for the same oath.
 
Abhishek M said:
Get an oath from your student that they will make atleast one of their own copy as well and that both will go to different apprentices. Who they will ask for the same oath.
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Getting a runesmith to write anything about his work is a monumental effort. Even for a master speaking to their apprentice.

You're trying to go against literal founding traditions when the guy who founded your entire profession is alive. Hilariously enough due to dwarf psychology its easier than doing it later.

Still all but impossible though.

I have no horse in this race(though have planned extensively for when the questers would take a go at it. By virtue of this very issue being one of the bigger reasons for this quest before it grew beyond the original scop-)

-Uh anyway. Long story short theres gonna be more nuance to whatever the solution to losing runelore would be than saying "start writing everything down" to your apprentices.
 
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Ferdiad said:
Thurungi really fucked by not making Runes way more communal tbh.
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Thungni taught the runes. I will tell you now he pays very little attention(relative) to the codification his apprentices made from their interpretation of his strictures. He'll act if they get too stupid because it would bother him, but is otherwise going to do what he does best.

Making Runes.
 
Ferdiad said:
Thurungi really fucked by not making Runes way more communal tbh.
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One could argue he also prevented their being easily stolen and misused by evil powers. One need but look at the Dawi Zharr to see how terrible Dwarven craft corrupted to nefarious means is, and they don't even have access to typical runecraft.

Edit: Grombrindal'd: Or he's just the kind of person to prefer doing nothing but spending all day every day researching and making new runes...lucky bastard.
 
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soulcake said:
Getting a runesmith to write anything about his work is a monumental effort. Even for a master speaking to their apprentice.

Youre trying to go against literal founding traditions when the guy who founded your entire existence is alive. Hilariously enough due to dwarf psychology its easier than doing it later.

Still all but impossible though.

I have no horse in this race(though have planned extensively for when the questers would take a go at it. By virtue of this very issue being one of the bigger reasons for this quest before it grew beyond the original scop-)

Uh anyway. Long story short theres gonna be more nuance to whatever the solution to losing runelore would be then saying "start writing everything down" to your apprentices.
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I know that. That's why I want to get a red cheeked apprentice to take it. Start a bit of a tradition.
 
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