Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
Rihaku
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Another source on Japanese GDP per capita:
https://www.economics.ox.ac.uk/materials/working_papers/2840/156aprilbroadberry.pdf - This Oxford paper notes CE 1150 Japanese GDP per capita to be $572 in 1990 dollars, which equals $1118.26 in 2019 dollars before ninja are factored in. Assuming ninja are worth a median 40% boost to GDP (not sure if this is high or low, they could be anywhere from 5% - 1000%), this means Fire Country GDP per capita should be roughly $1565, so we can multiply all labor values in the chart by somewhere between 1.2 and 1.5x.
https://www.economics.ox.ac.uk/materials/working_papers/2840/156aprilbroadberry.pdf - This Oxford paper notes CE 1150 Japanese GDP per capita to be $572 in 1990 dollars, which equals $1118.26 in 2019 dollars before ninja are factored in. Assuming ninja are worth a median 40% boost to GDP (not sure if this is high or low, they could be anywhere from 5% - 1000%), this means Fire Country GDP per capita should be roughly $1565, so we can multiply all labor values in the chart by somewhere between 1.2 and 1.5x.
Emstar
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The major factor in that I think is we don't actually have a real tangible idea of what our lands look like besides "Seems to be pretty big" or "Is a clan-compound" and how much of that is unused jungle. Likewise for the house itself, which may be anywhere from a large mansion to a large samurai clan compound. Before taking into account any discounted anything from "
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Oh, this is pretty neat. Storage seals are apparently 500-2000 ryo.
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Thats Team Anko ! EN it looks like.
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Oh pffft. No wonder I didn't recall those numbers beforehand.
Rihaku
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Where in Leaf is the clan compound located? That would be the central determinant of price. If it's on the outskirts, it should be quite cheap, maybe only 2-3x the cost of arable land + cost of improvements. If it's in a prime commercial location, then this The property market in English towns, A.D. 1 100-1600 - Persée paper suggests a cost per square meter of roughly 15 pence in London's prime commercial areas circa CE 1200, marked down 10 - 60% for dilapidation and danger. However, this is probably too low given what we now believe of ninja-adjusted GDP per capita, so let's bump it up 40% to 21 pence per square meter.
1 pence = 1/500th of a laborer's annual output (avg. laborer made 2 pounds or 480p / year) = $2 = 20 Ryo, so 420 Ryo per sq. meter, we'll say market conditions may have up to doubled that.
Who previously owned the property, the state?
If the compound can house ~150 people at ~250 sq. ft per person plus 10,000 sq. ft worth of common areas, the cost of a prime location pristine compound should be around (47500/10.764) x (420 to 840) = 1.853 to 3.7 million Ryo. Your compound, being less than pristine and likely not in a prime commercial area, would cost considerably less, possibly 5-10x less. For example, the entire Goldsmith's Hall in London only cost 136 pounds as of 1365, 1 pound = 240 pence = $480, a mere 650,200 Ryo (but recall that the entire economic output of your country is only worth 3-4 billion Ryo).
This squares up with what we derived of genin and jounin pay: a genin can support an extended family of 20, a single jounin can put a clan of 200 on his back. Each jounin is a military asset that consumes a goodly part of the agriculatural surplus of 5-10,000 people (30-50 jounin in the land of Fire before the last battle), so it would be strange if they were unable to afford a compound in a city of merely 30,000. You're talking a place with less than 100 times the population density of a modern metropolis.
However, if the compound is not so much a "residence" and more like a "castle" with military-grade fortifications and extremely high quality masonry, it may have cost as much as Tattershall Castle & College, considered at the time (~1450s) the single greatest example of brickwork in England. Commanding a rent of 450 pounds per year, its capital value would have been between 4500 and 9000 pounds overall, equivalent to 4500*240*20 = 21.6 million to 43 million Ryo. But the square footage of the Castle & College would have been easily 10-20x the amount required to house 150 people, and it would not have been in dilapidated (much less dangerous) condition.
As a rule of thumb, the cost of buying a dilapidated property + fixing it up will almost never exceed the cost of buying a comparable pristine property, and usually the former will be cheaper by at least 20-30% if not 50%+.
1 pence = 1/500th of a laborer's annual output (avg. laborer made 2 pounds or 480p / year) = $2 = 20 Ryo, so 420 Ryo per sq. meter, we'll say market conditions may have up to doubled that.
Who previously owned the property, the state?
If the compound can house ~150 people at ~250 sq. ft per person plus 10,000 sq. ft worth of common areas, the cost of a prime location pristine compound should be around (47500/10.764) x (420 to 840) = 1.853 to 3.7 million Ryo. Your compound, being less than pristine and likely not in a prime commercial area, would cost considerably less, possibly 5-10x less. For example, the entire Goldsmith's Hall in London only cost 136 pounds as of 1365, 1 pound = 240 pence = $480, a mere 650,200 Ryo (but recall that the entire economic output of your country is only worth 3-4 billion Ryo).
This squares up with what we derived of genin and jounin pay: a genin can support an extended family of 20, a single jounin can put a clan of 200 on his back. Each jounin is a military asset that consumes a goodly part of the agriculatural surplus of 5-10,000 people (30-50 jounin in the land of Fire before the last battle), so it would be strange if they were unable to afford a compound in a city of merely 30,000. You're talking a place with less than 100 times the population density of a modern metropolis.
However, if the compound is not so much a "residence" and more like a "castle" with military-grade fortifications and extremely high quality masonry, it may have cost as much as Tattershall Castle & College, considered at the time (~1450s) the single greatest example of brickwork in England. Commanding a rent of 450 pounds per year, its capital value would have been between 4500 and 9000 pounds overall, equivalent to 4500*240*20 = 21.6 million to 43 million Ryo. But the square footage of the Castle & College would have been easily 10-20x the amount required to house 150 people, and it would not have been in dilapidated (much less dangerous) condition.
As a rule of thumb, the cost of buying a dilapidated property + fixing it up will almost never exceed the cost of buying a comparable pristine property, and usually the former will be cheaper by at least 20-30% if not 50%+.
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QMs are free to correct me on everything:
1) I don't think we're in the city center, but I think we're within a half hour-ish walk from the city center given narrative description (@faflec ? I recall some of this stuff being mentioned offhand during the training month. Maybe Ch 217a/b somewhere, or nearby ones? Perhaps in-thread/in story closer to when we purchased the estate?) That might qualify as the outskirts, it might not.
2) My personal interpretation of the compound is something approaching a bigger version of Sanjo Palace with a greater amount of surrounding woods, 50% more building, and more dilapidated.
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2) My personal interpretation of the compound is something approaching a bigger version of Sanjo Palace with a greater amount of surrounding woods, 50%-100% more building, and more dilapidated.
Do note that palace is fit for an emperor.
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@Rihaku The compound was formerly owned by Orochimaru, and has more than a few remnants of his...experimental materials.
Edit: From @MMKII's observation:
In addition, the complex has subbasements (multiple), back porches, multiple bedrooms and related. Also gates, a large front yard Kagome trapped...duno what else.
Edit: From @MMKII's observation:
Apologies, I don't actually have a strong idea of how far the distance is from that.
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Emstar
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Is it enough to comfortably house dozens of servants and dozens of guards too, or are they staying somewhere else on the estate?
This source tells me that the palace has an area of "40 Jô square", and the site elsewhere tells me that 1 Jô = 3m. I have no idea how to make sense of that given that this is supposedly a major estate.
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Do note that this was describing his *potential* rather than his skill level at the time.
@Rihaku -
Thanks for letting me know what I'm gonna be spending my whole weekend on
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[x] Action plan: the clan strikes back
[x] Action plan: the clan strikes back
It is an estate belonging to one the most powerful clan of the Heian era, the one controlling the emperorship or something.
It's naive of me to hope this will finally stick, but: WE CAN ACHIEVE DOUBLE-WORLD PEACE BY SELLING FOOD AND STORAGE SCROLLS INSTEAD OF WEAPONS.
I don't suppose anybody remembers me pointing out that we should run that by Keiko before talking to her about anything else?
Emstar
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Bloody fucking hell J-man you didn't buy a clan compound you bought East Harlem.
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[X] Action plan: the clan strikes back
Gotta grind those unique voters.
Gotta grind those unique voters.
Emstar
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Fix up some of the outer dwellings and rent it to the Shimura clan until they get enough dosh to buy their own place.
Cut the forest down and sell all the lumber.
Plant cash crops down on the rest of the land and use EM to keep everything nice and warm all year round.
E: Also, grow food.
Jiraiya: So, how much can I buy it for?
Real estate agent: *crunching number* The compound alone is worth nothing. It has valuation of negative million ryo.
Jiraiya: Oh?
REA: So we can't sell it, it cost too much in paperwork, you see? However, if we include the land surrounding it, it will cost you 46 million ryo.
Real estate agent: *crunching number* The compound alone is worth nothing. It has valuation of negative million ryo.
Jiraiya: Oh?
REA: So we can't sell it, it cost too much in paperwork, you see? However, if we include the land surrounding it, it will cost you 46 million ryo.
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...do we still have that stock of Vermilion Sigh?
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Don't just rent to the Shimura clan.
Rent it to the other clanless who we can't yet afford to adopt. Start a fuckin' Kagome's Academy for the Gifted Elect on the side. Don't just cut down the lumber, tame the forest slightly and turn it into a rentable private training ground.
Remember, kids: renewable income, not influxes!