Mist likely used woodprinting, which a Kurosawa will have to carve out.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Mist likely used woodprinting, which a Kurosawa will have to carve out.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Why on earth would they do that?
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
On my end, this last term of university got really really busy, and I think it kind of slipped my mind (not that I would have had much time to champion it if I remembered). For what it's worth, I'm still generally positive towards the idea and if the topic comes up again at a time when it's actionable I estimate myself supporting it.
- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
Okay kay let's do this! It's Sunday, so I don't expect this plan to be great right now but I expect it'll be better after repeated optimizations!
[X] Action Plan: Hazou's Busy Day Minus One
[X] Action Plan: Hazou's Busy Day Minus One
- General
- Check with Jiraiya
- No binding commitments on first meeting
- Merchants
- Meet with prior contacts
- Bring gifts; 'excess' storage seals, perhaps
- Ask what they need/want
- imply possibility of assistance
- Ask for other people who might appreciate a relationship
- If receptive, offer sponsorship if approved
- Make other contacts
- Meet with prior contacts
- Ami
- Arrange for a meeting at her leisure
- Ostensible subject is Keiko
- Discuss reason for distancing from Keiko
- We're pretty sure she can run rings around Keiko, us, and maybe even Jiraiya, so she probably has her reasons
- We'd like to do what we can to resolve what's keeping the two of them apart
- Discuss reason for distancing from Keiko
- Ikeda
- Arrange another meeting at her leisure, should she be willing
- Ask about her experience in Sand
- Use missing-nin experience as excuse - curiosity about what a normal ninja life is like
- See what she knows about the civilian experience
- Trade story for story if necessary, but don't give more than she does
- DO NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HOT SPRINGS AND MOUNTAIN AND ENTRY TO LEAF
- ISC
- Watch Ino and Shikamaru's match
- Hang out with them afterwards
- [Other Foreign Nin]
- Mist
- Float idea of Till'n'Fills as punishment duty
- Rock/Lightning
- General pulse and initial contact
- Mist
- Contingencies
- Armor
- Insist on the Kotsuzui explanation at all times.
- Even if Kotsuzui himself asks.
- Insist on the Kotsuzui explanation at all times.
- Armor
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Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
But we arent watching Ino/Shikamaru's matches and hanging out with them afterwards
Because that is how you copy books, duh?
- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
We are now, and with at least 77 words to spare!But we arent watching Ino/Shikamaru's matches and hanging out with them afterwards
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
We are now, and with at least 77 words to spare!
I worry that this will involve us partying with this same group of people, except that now it will cause a turf war between Ino and FlamingHotChick from Sand.
Poor Ino
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
"Amazing Kinesthetic Sense" is pretty indistinguishable from "Perfect Muscle Memory" unless you do a really suspicious (for a ninja) movement. Repetitively.
I mean, Keiko or Tenten (?) can bullseye butterflies at 40 meters or something right? Thats an absolutely frightening level of precision for someone that doesn't necessarily have a bloodline that gives them heightened physical abilities.
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- Location
- Yes.
Plausible deniability?
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
[] Plan Segment: Meeting Ami, Compressed:
- Meet with Ami
- Ask Jiraiya to help plan.
- Assume Ami can manipulate you. Don't commit to anything, if she asks then say you'll have an answer before you leave Mist. NO EXCEPTIONS.
- Don't automatically believe anything she says. Treat her words like they came from a hostile Mari with Keiko's intellect.
- Agenda:
- Ami became distant from Keiko, but is also likely capable of deceiving Keiko about it. If Ami grew distant when she heard Keiko would not be returning to Mist, two possible cases (among others) are that she did it to protect Keiko, or that she now regrets her decision. If possible, we want to help mend bridges.
- If Ami is protecting Keiko, is there anything Hazou can do to help change the situation?
- Ami can ask us for something anyways, even if she doesn't want anything to change, but anything she asks will be scrutinized by our clan head and might get denied.
- Anything else you want to discuss?
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@MadScientist does this more concise version of your plan still work as you intend?
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Need to ask Kei. @MadScientist
- Location
- Potato land
Come to think of it... why don't we take Noburi along to the Ami meeting? IC he has as much reason to want to talk to her as Hazou, and he should work as a sanity check as well - so if he says that Keiko will murder us, we abort.
One reason not to do it is that we have no control over him, and we can't stop him from doing stupid things through meticulous planning.
I promised it, and I do take my promises seriously. I will repeat, however, that comments like this do not help.
One reason not to do it is that we have no control over him, and we can't stop him from doing stupid things through meticulous planning.
I promised it, and I do take my promises seriously. I will repeat, however, that comments like this do not help.
- Location
- Yes.
I'm a bit worried about how this is being phrased, because Keiko's explanation for why she and Ami are estranged seemed pretty clear:
It feels like the goal of the conversation (resolve Ami/Keiko being seperated) is well-known to Hazou (Keiko won't go back to Mist), and if the two have this conversation Hazou will expect to hear Ami talk about how Keiko should be brought back to Mist/the Mori clan. I recognize that this isn't Ami's actual reason for estranging Keiko (which is that Keiko isn't ready to deal with Mori politics), but one thing we could do is to talk about how much Keiko's grown, both in terms of her ninja skills and in terms of her social competence. It would let us signal to Ami that she may be underestimating Keiko (possibly pushing them closer together), but since Hazou isn't all that close to Ami (they've never met, they're functionally strangers) it may also signal that Hazou isn't as loyal to Keiko as he should be (why talk about your teammate to a foreign national?).
Just my rambling thoughts.
will408914
(slouching towards bethlehem)
- Location
- California
On the other hand, we can't stop us from doing stupid things through meticulous planning, either.
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
abandoning
that should not be accepting
that she would not be accepting
arms-length
arm's-length
your satisfaction of
your satisfaction at
- Location
- NY
- Location
- Yes.
I don't get the big deal, Noburi was just checking for [CENSORED].
- Location
- NY
I just want to say that I haven't had the chance to use the Rukia spit-take reaction in a really long time, and I want to thank our QMs for giving me this opportunity.
- Location
- Europe
Wait for the Ami chapter(s).
Noumero
Omit Needless Words
A highly enjoyable update, @eaglejarl.
People were mentioning that writing plans for Marked for Death is stressful, but I find it exciting. Yes, it's easy to make a mistake, either in the process of planmaking or when conveying your intent in plans, and the stakes are high, but that makes the times when you're successful all the more pleasant. Like this time, for example: if setting up a double-deception reverse-seduction was easy, it wouldn't have been nearly as fun for me (even as I still remain concerned about potential non-obvious oversights).
Also, I note that Hazou played his part perfectly. It seems we could use him for complicated social missions, provided that we plan everything out sufficiently well.
Regarding Ami, I'll only add that she has ontological inertia. Even if Hazou doesn't interact with her now, she will remain out there, pursuing her unknown goals.
Let's grant that she is so terrifying that even a short casual conversation with her requires ASI-level precautions. If we decide not to talk with her now, we will remain ignorant of that fact, as well as of her goals. Several years later, we'll bump into her at some meeting, and she'll socially eviscerate Hazou into telling her all his secrets, just like she would now — except then we'll have even more secrets to lose. If she does this now, at least we'll know that we must drop a WMD on her ASAP.
More plausibly, she isn't any more dangerous to talk to than the Oyabun, or Pantsaa, or than Jiraiya was back when we were missing-nin. We'll talk to her, learn something about her goals (or at least about what she wants us to think her goals are), get Jiraiya some non-useless intel. We will forbid all worst OPSEC breaches by direct commands, instruct Hazou to remain careful, and if she manages to manipulate him anyway, we'll set him straight the next update like we did with Hana.
Yes, it's still risky, but it's less risky than it will be at any future point.
People were mentioning that writing plans for Marked for Death is stressful, but I find it exciting. Yes, it's easy to make a mistake, either in the process of planmaking or when conveying your intent in plans, and the stakes are high, but that makes the times when you're successful all the more pleasant. Like this time, for example: if setting up a double-deception reverse-seduction was easy, it wouldn't have been nearly as fun for me (even as I still remain concerned about potential non-obvious oversights).
Also, I note that Hazou played his part perfectly. It seems we could use him for complicated social missions, provided that we plan everything out sufficiently well.
Regarding Ami, I'll only add that she has ontological inertia. Even if Hazou doesn't interact with her now, she will remain out there, pursuing her unknown goals.
Let's grant that she is so terrifying that even a short casual conversation with her requires ASI-level precautions. If we decide not to talk with her now, we will remain ignorant of that fact, as well as of her goals. Several years later, we'll bump into her at some meeting, and she'll socially eviscerate Hazou into telling her all his secrets, just like she would now — except then we'll have even more secrets to lose. If she does this now, at least we'll know that we must drop a WMD on her ASAP.
More plausibly, she isn't any more dangerous to talk to than the Oyabun, or Pantsaa, or than Jiraiya was back when we were missing-nin. We'll talk to her, learn something about her goals (or at least about what she wants us to think her goals are), get Jiraiya some non-useless intel. We will forbid all worst OPSEC breaches by direct commands, instruct Hazou to remain careful, and if she manages to manipulate him anyway, we'll set him straight the next update like we did with Hana.
Yes, it's still risky, but it's less risky than it will be at any future point.
TaliesinSkye
Occasional Editor
- Location
- Northeast Ohio, United States
I think some of you are a little too worried about Ami. Yes, she's disturbingly competent, but to the best of our knowledge so far what she wants is compatible with what we want. We should get into bed with her as soon as possible.
...err, so to speak. Or literally, whatever.
...err, so to speak. Or literally, whatever.
- Location
- The Void
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Some modifications to @huhYeahGoodPoint plan
[X] Action Plan: Hazou's Busy Day Plus One
[X] Action Plan: Hazou's Busy Day Plus One
- General
- Check with Jiraiya
- No binding commitments on first meeting
- Merchants
- Meet with prior contacts
- specifically: the salt/spice merchant, glass blower and brewer from before.
- Bring gifts: 'excess' storage seals, perhaps
- Make other contacts
- Start compiling a notebook of potential ones.
- Meet with prior contacts
- Ami
- Arrange for a meeting. Suggest meeting at the library
- MAKE SURE NOT TO MENTION ANYTHING THAT COULD VIOLATE OPSEC
- If Hazō thinks any manipulation is going on he will politely leave ASAP
- Ostensible subject is how Hazō is interested in her politics and philosophy as a rising ninja
- Feel her out about uplift
- mention that the "special envoy to Leaf" position has been vacated recently
- Ask for any book recommendations she has
- Ikeda
- Arrange another meeting at her leisure, should she be willing
- Ask about her experience in Sand
- Use missing-nin experience as excuse - curiosity about what a normal ninja life is like
- See what she knows about the civilian experience
- Trade story for story if necessary, but don't give more than she does
- DO NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HOT SPRINGS AND MOUNTAIN AND ENTRY TO LEAF
- Give a brief explanation of uplift philosophy
- Casually mention Till-n-fills as a new mission category Leaf's been trying out.
- Easy money for the economy, good practice for the greener Genin, and it makes the civilians more productive.
- Maybe float it by your higher-ups for brownie points, perhaps Sand could adopt something similar, who knows?
- Casually mention Till-n-fills as a new mission category Leaf's been trying out.
- ISC
- Watch Ino and Shikamaru's match
- Celebrate as appropriate afterwards should they win.
- Don't stay out too late though. Tomorrow is showtime.
- Celebrate as appropriate afterwards should they win.
- Watch Ino and Shikamaru's match
- Contingencies
- Armor
- Insist on the Kotsuzui explanation at all times.
- Even if Kotsuzui himself asks.
- As far as Hazou is concerned "Breaking OPSEC with cute Sand Genin." is now officially on the list of "Hazou's fuck ups."
- Do not talk about it. It didn't happen.
- Insist on the Kotsuzui explanation at all times.
- Armor
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