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[X] Lore update
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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I'd give back Kurenai's, provided that aligns with Jiraiya's volition.
Here's the thing - everyone but our partners are failing the event, because we have everyone's personal seals. Word half stuff shouldn't matter because we control the literal tickets to entry.
It would be implausibly bizarre for the proctors to not require a participant to render their own halves to complete the event, and failing to do so means elimination. It would be inconsistent with other events to allow positive scores after event elimination.
However, even if that is not the case... even if one half per person is the difference between making it to the finals and not... I'd still be fine giving the half to Kurenai if that aligns with Jiraiya's goals. I think it would, because he'd be able to perhaps utilize an improvement in relation between us and Hinata (let alone Kiba and Shino) to improve general relations with the rest of the clan.
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My score analysis would need to change to account for Consequence penalties in the second round. I'm also not sure if our make-teams were kept whole or divvied out 2-per team in R2. Lots of the analysis I missed out on while I was at work did not take into account ISC defecting against their R2 partners (which was already confirmed) I'll hold off because @eaglejarl asked us to chill out on score stuff until he posts what he can show us. Most things will be clear in time.
Here's the thing - everyone but our partners are failing the event, because we have everyone's personal seals. Word half stuff shouldn't matter because we control the literal tickets to entry.
It would be implausibly bizarre for the proctors to not require a participant to render their own halves to complete the event, and failing to do so means elimination. It would be inconsistent with other events to allow positive scores after event elimination.
However, even if that is not the case... even if one half per person is the difference between making it to the finals and not... I'd still be fine giving the half to Kurenai if that aligns with Jiraiya's goals. I think it would, because he'd be able to perhaps utilize an improvement in relation between us and Hinata (let alone Kiba and Shino) to improve general relations with the rest of the clan.
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My score analysis would need to change to account for Consequence penalties in the second round. I'm also not sure if our make-teams were kept whole or divvied out 2-per team in R2. Lots of the analysis I missed out on while I was at work did not take into account ISC defecting against their R2 partners (which was already confirmed) I'll hold off because @eaglejarl asked us to chill out on score stuff until he posts what he can show us. Most things will be clear in time.
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I don't really wanna mess with the word halves anymore. Its entirely possible we'll need them.
By the way, I wouldn't really waste our effort trying to save Hinata. If what I noticed ~10 minutes ago was what actually happened. Well, uh....
They'lllllll be fineeeeee
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For the Nakano thing in the non-Lore update plan
Instead of promising to get him a medic, I'd just ask him how we can make it up to him. I think Hazō et al feel bad about it, and Hazō, as leader, would be willing to do something open-ended, within reason, to apologize for the offense (I think Noburi and Keiko would contribute in full capacity due to complicity, but ultimately it was Hazō in the field that made the call)
For the Nakano thing in the non-Lore update plan
Instead of promising to get him a medic, I'd just ask him how we can make it up to him. I think Hazō et al feel bad about it, and Hazō, as leader, would be willing to do something open-ended, within reason, to apologize for the offense (I think Noburi and Keiko would contribute in full capacity due to complicity, but ultimately it was Hazō in the field that made the call)
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Good point, I will add!
Sorry, but how is that better than paying for a medic? A medic is something he wants right now, that giving him would win him over, and doesn't require promising open-ended favours (which are notorious for ruining your day when you least expect it).
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I want this too. Specifically, I want Zabuza's reaction. What do you think about this?:
[x] Interlude: People's reactions to Team Uplift's Exams performance. Choose from: The Kages, Team Downfall, Zabuza, our former clans.
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We got disqualified very early on without knowing and everything further was just Mist fucking with us.
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Point taken on the open ended favours. On the other hand, since the Minami Incident, we're short a lightning user....
Is there anything he can ask that would be more than a mild inconvenience? We'd be under Hokages orders to train during the rbeak, so I don't think he'd pester us for some Quest stuff then...
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Saying "how can we make it up to you" is hardly an open ended promise. It is open-ended in that he can ask what he wants, and if it is reasonable and within our power, we can do it. If he asks for the moon, we scoff and decide it was probably a good thing we deafened the idiot and get on with our day.
It is probable that medic service is free, and we don't know any viable medic personally enough that it would be a lock that "we" get him a medic. Additionally, getting him a medic is, from surely some in-character perspectives, tantamount to throwing money at the problem and knowing it'll go away. That's a form of apology that breeds resentment.
Edit: under Radvics proposed Major/Minor action paradigm, id be willing to commit one minor action to the apology.
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Saying "how can we make it up to you" is hardly an open ended promise. It is open-ended in that he can ask what he wants, and if it is reasonable and within our power, we can do it. If he asks for the moon, we scoff and decide it was probably a good thing we deafened the idiot and get on with our day.
It is probable that medic service is free, and we don't know any viable medic personally enough that it would be a lock that "we" get him a medic. Additionally, getting him a medic is, from surely some in-character perspectives, tantamount to throwing money at the problem and knowing it'll go away. That's a form of apology that breeds resentment.
Edit: under Radvics proposed Major/Minor action paradigm, id be willing to commit one minor action to the apology.
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I take Hazou's comment as evidence against that.
Hard to know since he hadn't been living in Leaf proper for long.
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I precommit to refusing any of Hazō's offhand social intentions as truly useful in and of themselves. It has been demonstrated not to be the case, and I'd need substantial contrary evidence to take it otherwise (to update sufficiently in the other direction.)
In this case in particular, my self-own model would take exception to the idea, so I'd be surprised if some of [Nakano, social observers] don't also find fault.
Edit: precommit probably not the best word in light of being willing to update given evidence, but I strongly doubt the existence of said evidence.
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I'm not sure where you're getting that impression?
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Paraphrasing, "Kagome, how would you feel if you were locked up in a seal factory - wouldn't you rather die?" - in the lead up to the Arikada capture
"Hey Jiraiya, Id be willing to go pretty damn far to protect Akane"
Hazō's social faux pas were literally an in-joke for the greater part of the quest, and despite some recent -heavily dictated by us and helped by others present- social successes, Hazō has continued not to fully consider the social impacts of his words/actions (Akane reveal being recent)
Unless we hold his hand while simultaneously not leading him wrong, I'm not confident in any social interpretation that Hazō provides (i.e. I don't take any social interpretation from Hazō as given, because our models for in world politics are also demonstrably wrong... see all the times we led Hazō astray)
Paraphrasing, "Kagome, how would you feel if you were locked up in a seal factory - wouldn't you rather die?" - in the lead up to the Arikada capture
"Hey Jiraiya, Id be willing to go pretty damn far to protect Akane"
Hazō's social faux pas were literally an in-joke for the greater part of the quest, and despite some recent -heavily dictated by us and helped by others present- social successes, Hazō has continued not to fully consider the social impacts of his words/actions (Akane reveal being recent)
Unless we hold his hand while simultaneously not leading him wrong, I'm not confident in any social interpretation that Hazō provides (i.e. I don't take any social interpretation from Hazō as given, because our models for in world politics are also demonstrably wrong... see all the times we led Hazō astray)
But that's not what you said. You said
And Hazou has said plenty of things that were useful without us putting the words in his mouth.
E: also in this instance Noburi was like "haha yeah", not "oh jashin fuck, here we go...".
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Those interludes contribute to the story.
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I also said "in and of themselves"
If there are useful anchors, I don't say Hazō is always wrong. I just don't update at all on Hazo's Word.
If there are useful anchors, I don't say Hazō is always wrong. I just don't update at all on Hazo's Word.
So long as you accept that people implicitly agreeing with Hazou by not saying "Hazou, you dumbfuck that's not how that works" is an anchor.