Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Cariyaga
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@Roomba Could you adjust the reference here to refer to also having use of air domes at stops to protect the palanquin while we're inside?
e: Just pointing out, plan stepdown doesn't explicate on what defences we use for the client at all (so no complaining if we get caught). Furthermore, exchanging the currency will likely require us moving with the client or leaving them with less guards, which... amounts to the same risk as trading spices, but for less money.
e: Just pointing out, plan stepdown doesn't explicate on what defences we use for the client at all (so no complaining if we get caught). Furthermore, exchanging the currency will likely require us moving with the client or leaving them with less guards, which... amounts to the same risk as trading spices, but for less money.
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Cariyaga
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Does anyone have reasons that this would not be the case? Because as best I can tell, that means that stepdown would be strictly inferior.
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We only need to exchange the currency if Mist isn't going to accept non-mist ryo (in which case we would want to exchange the currency at some point any way). Step down also doesn't include the risky rule twisting of the pepper plan and will have us spend less time in danger overall.
Cariyaga
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I trust Keiko's interpretation of the rules more than our own; if she thinks it's not workable, she'll speak up. So while I understand why you'd think that it increases danger, I don't.
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that was supposed to be a basic outline because anything was better than Armageddon, I was expecting to come back to a more detailed Stepdown v2 by someone with more experience and vote for that, why is my plan leading, I have almost certainly overlooked something important
(screaming in nonproficiency)
See? OK.
Previous version of plan:
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that was supposed to be a basic outline because anything was better than Armageddon, I was expecting to come back to a more detailed Stepdown v2 by someone with more experience and vote for that, why is my plan leading, I have almost certainly overlooked something important
(screaming in nonproficiency)
See? OK.
Previous version of plan:
Updated:
Someone more experienced is still welcome to put in a Stepdown v2 with further additions such as time/xp expenditures for training while potentially confined to barracks, and I would vote to support that too.
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[X] Action Plan: Stepdown
About selling ice to Mist....isn't the Yuki clan also in Mist? I don't think ice is going to be valuable.
About selling ice to Mist....isn't the Yuki clan also in Mist? I don't think ice is going to be valuable.
Cariyaga
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No, they are not. They are in Snow.
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Karina went directly from "I have the measure of you" to "why yes you can totally go turn in the quest early."
Does no one else find this suspicious and think that she might be baiting us into DQing ourselves because she thinks little of us?
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[X] Action Plan: Stepdown
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Cariyaga
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I guess they just split into two clans or something, maybe some Snow Yuki clan member left Snow and went to the Land of Water XXX years ago. That's why Mist knows where Hidden Snow is and everyone else doesn't.
Also still would like to point out to our Proctor that this:
is wrong. I mean think about all the times we fucked up and Jiraiya+Leaf let us live, even through taking the Pangolin summoning scroll from us and cutting us open for our Bloodline secrets would have been useful to Leaf. Hell Jiraiya and Shikaku want Pax Konoha not kill them. Would pointing out to her that this just Mist propaganda to her be in any way dangerous?
Cariyaga
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So, to clarify, my problems with this plan:
- It assumes that "kay quest turnin we're done now" is an option.
- This isn't explicitly stated in the rules, therefore it's proctor fiat. We're hated in mist, I could easily see it going like:
- "Okay take off your armbands"
- "No I'm not stupid" "Then get out of here" or
- "Sure." "Okay, you're DQed, -50 points for the event"
- "No I'm not stupid" "Then get out of here" or
- "Okay take off your armbands"
- This isn't explicitly stated in the rules, therefore it's proctor fiat. We're hated in mist, I could easily see it going like:
- The plan makes for selling gold for mist ryo. This takes moving around the city just as well as selling spices would, only we get 0 effective profit margins on it. Furthermore, spices are a much lighter good than gold is, and we could offer a big restaraunt a monopoly on the spices in exchange for a high price, meaning we could sell the spices quickly.
- It assumes that Granny Karina is actually being truthful. She has every incentive to lie to use to get us DQed given that she just stated that she "has our measure". It is hopelessly optimistic to believe her.
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Deliberate. This was going to be addressed in one of the Zabuza interludes, but didn't end up going in.
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- Potato land
Gotta say, it's good to see so many plans from new planmakers.
Just FYI, while I don't think this is a secret per se, I wouldn't assume that it's common knowledge either. Summoners are very rare, and as a rule, incredibly strong, and therefore proficient at opsec regarding their own abilities. I wouldn't be surprised if Karina doesn't know this.
I added "Use Air Domes to protect the palanquin if viable". I honestly think this is impractical and would probably all but block the street given how big the domes would need to be to provide real protection, but it won't hurt.
It doesn't. It calls for exchange, which is something that Keiko can do alone while Karina waits in her room with Hazou and Noburi. Spice trading, on the other hand, requires her to move about the city, since it needs to be her who actually makes the trades. The risks aren't comparable.
We can always demand a written statement on the matter from her. Lying about being able to retire from an event early is exactly the kind of thing a complaint could be lodged for, and then she'd be forced to lie to the Mizukage herself, not only about the DQ, but also about all the circumstances, since it's obvious this is actually what we want to do.
On the other hand, if she wants to DQ us, continuing to trade gives her many, many more perfectly deniable opportunities.
Just FYI, while I don't think this is a secret per se, I wouldn't assume that it's common knowledge either. Summoners are very rare, and as a rule, incredibly strong, and therefore proficient at opsec regarding their own abilities. I wouldn't be surprised if Karina doesn't know this.
I added "Use Air Domes to protect the palanquin if viable". I honestly think this is impractical and would probably all but block the street given how big the domes would need to be to provide real protection, but it won't hurt.
It doesn't. It calls for exchange, which is something that Keiko can do alone while Karina waits in her room with Hazou and Noburi. Spice trading, on the other hand, requires her to move about the city, since it needs to be her who actually makes the trades. The risks aren't comparable.
We can always demand a written statement on the matter from her. Lying about being able to retire from an event early is exactly the kind of thing a complaint could be lodged for, and then she'd be forced to lie to the Mizukage herself, not only about the DQ, but also about all the circumstances, since it's obvious this is actually what we want to do.
On the other hand, if she wants to DQ us, continuing to trade gives her many, many more perfectly deniable opportunities.
Cariyaga
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Keiko is vulnerable when by herself, too. Losing her armband means the team gets taken down to -50, the team's moved to the holding area.
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That risk is honestly so minuscule I barely register it compared to everything else. The enemy would have to find her first, and she can easily wear a Henge with the bandana on top. Then they'd have to catch her, in the middle of a crowded city, with the collateral rules in place, while she doesn't even want to engage, and without putting their own client at risk.
Cariyaga
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THen is there a reason we couldn't send Keiko off to do negotiations for the spice trade herself, then? Maybe involve Panjandrum in it?
That said, I don't see anything in the plan that indicates we will refuse to take Karina if she wants to do the negotiations for gold personally, and as it is now I fully expect her to insist, and us to accede to that.
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I see cowardice is winning! I kid, though - it's a valid strategy. That said, don't expect us to get much XP while we're sitting in the barracks.
And spend our points? Nonsense!
And spend our points? Nonsense!
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Plus we're going to be confined to the barracks, if we're not going to exchange gold for ryo.
Cariyaga
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Relatedly, I reserve the right to say "I told you so" if plan cowardice results in us not making it to the tournament. 
We can hardly find a safer way to earn points than here, though.
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That said... I dunno, it seems kinda weird that we'd be able to get this many points here, if last exam was worth so few.
We can hardly find a safer way to earn points than here, though.
e:
(mild tone edits)
That said... I dunno, it seems kinda weird that we'd be able to get this many points here, if last exam was worth so few.
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