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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Guile said:
Not to mention the fact that we had a Brass Orb on our curios shelf somewhere for a couple of years.
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As far as I recall, we never actually had the option to not take the Brass Orb, or to get rid of it until we sold all the Skaven tech. Certainly no plan to study it ever got any sort of traction.

As to the Dreaded Thirteenth- Magic users among Skaven are rare, and pretty obvious to Mathilde, and then those than can use that spell are likely even rarer. I think the risk of running into that was pretty minimal, unlike the risk of mutating when around Morghur the Corrupter.

I think we ran in to a single magic user in all the times we fought Skaven, and they never even saw Mathilde.

(Also does Mathilde even know that spell exists?)

... Also at a more basic level I wasn't there for any of those votes. :V

Don't know how I would have voted or argued if I was. Looking at a post knowing the quest continues afterwards is a bit different from being there in the moment.

As to all the cool shit we might find along the Northern route- I feel like most of our time is going to be spent RoWing, we need to make the deal with the Dolgan, we need to steal the cup with Ljiljan, and we should probably talk to some people at some point. Snorri at least seems like a prime target given everything- if nothing else we have an offer to give him from Gotri.

I don't think we'll have all that much time to go exploring until the final stretch, if at all.
 
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BurnNote said:
For a story, yes. But it's not a story. It's a quest. And the players decided to turn around and leave. What's he supposed to do? Give us goodies until we don't? That's going to get abused immediatly. Just go "no, you look at the mystery"? That's dumb too.

And this isn't going to be the end of it. Chances are good that eventually, the quest will come back to this. Maybe we'll learn something that helps put the clues together. Maybe there will be something with the waystones. But I have every confidence that Boney is going to make good use of this at some point (so long as the quest last long enough).
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There's a very real chance this quest will never come back to this. Boney was asked if he'd reveal things if the quest ended and he said no, and I suspect that's to do with how he's got the next quest OP written up and it's set in the same universe as Divided Loyalties. This quest may never come back to the mystery of Karag Dum because it may be relevant or come up in the successor quest.
 
Andres110 said:
There's a very real chance this quest will never come back to this. Boney was asked if he'd reveal things if the quest ended and he said no, and I suspect that's to do with how he's got the next quest OP written up and it's set in the same universe as Divided Loyalties. This quest may never come back to the mystery of Karag Dum because it may be relevant or come up in the successor quest.
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BoneyM said:
Morghur does not exist in a vacuum. Whatever is happening here runs off the same fundamental metaphysics as everything else. It's far from impossible that Mathilde will eventually understand enough about the way things work to reach a conclusion without ever setting food here again, and what she has learned here might contribute pieces to the puzzle that eventually leads her to that enlightenment.
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I believe what he's referring to is that WoG.
 
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BoneyM said:
Plenty of people genuinely voted to wait and see because they thought that Karag Dum might reach out, or one of the Kurgan tribes might get in contact, or the result that actually happened and delivered useful information. Others thought that fortifying and watching was the least dangerous way to try to gather more information. Repainting it in hindsight as sabotage on behalf of other questers is IMO incorrect, and certainly a framing that's likely to poison the discourse. If the majority of questers don't want to take risks to gather information, then Mathilde won't take risks to gather information, that's just how this format works. People voting for their preferences is not an act of malice or a bug in the system.
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Arguments could be made that not bundling all the other votes against Leave like you did in the next vote was unfair. But those arguments would be stupid because this Quest runs on approval voting and has been since the beginning. If people wanted to vote for "anything but Leave" then they could have. And anyone who supports a vote they don't actually want to win have only themselves to blame.
 
Mopman43 said:
It'd be more like, figuring out which blank bit of wall on the whole Karag is actually the door.
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Mathilde's Windsight is good enough that with a moment to focus she can peer through a literal mountain's worth of stone in order to pick out fine details.
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You vaguely hear one of the Rangers ask something, only for Snorri to hush him. You let your eyes slide out of focus as you turn all your attention to the magic around you. All you can see at first is Azyr high above. You redouble your concentration. You can see birds of prey flying overhead, faint dots of Ghur among the Azyr. Patches of Ghyran in the hardy shrubs and mosses dotting the stone around you. The extremely faint hint of something alien yet familiar that emanates from Dwarves. Below you is blank, but it's blankness that's deepening as you focus your concentration down, blocking out everything but the stone.

And finally, you see it. Like a faint star you can only see when you're not looking directly at it, a tiny string of energy far below, one end frayed as the magical energy reaches its destination and finds nothing there to redirect it further south, and instead spills into the stone.
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The issue wouldn't be in being able to pick out a hard-to-spot entrance, it'd be that she might see an easy-to-spot entrance and stop looking for a hard-to-spot protection/trap.
 
Redshirt Army said:
In this hypothetical, Borek would be past the hidden door and thus not easily grabable.
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That would be a different hypothetical, but in that case there being people inside to open it for him would answer a ton of questions on its own, though in this specific case all we would get are answers, answers are still answers, and the post I responded to specified no answers.
 
wrecksalot said:
but why would they include headpats in a defense system they had no way to get to?
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Bok outlasted all the other defenders of K8P, could be a similar situation.

wrecksalot said:
That would be a different hypothetical, but in that case there being people inside to open it for him would answer a ton of questions on its own, though in this specific case all we would get are answers, answers are still answers, and the post I responded to specified no answers.
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There don't need to be people alive if he has a key. That would be unconfirmed information. It's true that we would get more details by investigating, but the main point of that post was that we wouldn't necessarily get significantly better ones.

GrimTheMad said:
They... did bundle all the votes against leave. That's why there were three primary votes (Last Minute, Stay, and Leave) and then a bunch of sub votes.
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That was referring to the vote before that, where Fortifying won.
 
So the voting is open thing is gone. But there's no post by Boney I can find saying writing has begun. And we're supposed to refrain from @ing him frivilously.


Bloody Dum mystery breaching the Fourth wall.:p
 
consequences said:
So the voting is open thing is gone. But there's no post by Boney I can find saying writing has begun. And we're supposed to refrain from @ing him frivilously.


Bloody Dum mystery breaching the Fourth wall.:p
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Voting doesn't close until he makes a post closing it, so it's still open. I guess he stopped using that new system feature thingy because of the threadmark category?
 
ReImagined said:
Bok outlasted all the other defenders of K8P, could be a similar situation.


There don't need to be people alive if he has a key. That would be unconfirmed information. It's true that we would get more details by investigating, but the main point of that post was that we wouldn't necessarily get significantly better ones.


That was referring to the vote before that, where Fortifying won.
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Yes exactly, Borek chilling outside a door would point us towards something like that.

Some answers are not no answers.
 
wrecksalot said:
Yes exactly, Borek chilling outside a door would point us towards something like that.

Some answers are not no answers.
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Redshirt's response to you was that he could be on the other side of the door. We are agreed that some answers are not no answers, but if you take what I said:
ReImagined said:
It's true that we would get more details by investigating, but the main point of that post was that we wouldn't necessarily get significantly better ones.
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At this point why continue arguing about it? Boney made his stance clear. I'm heavily disappointed in the voters; but it is what it is and I'm sure we'll have another horrible thing getting thrown at us sooner or later to make us forget about the giant question mark to the north.
 
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