Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
This reminds me, but did we ever actually report the AV thing? I'm sure he's heard of it, if the Runesmith's actually told anybody, but did Belegar get informed that it was, in fact, one of Mathilde's "undeployable" superweapons? I think that just leaves the Liber Mortis for what she actually had in mind at the time, now.
We have had some new ideas though:
Mega-project: Ancestral Wrath.
Requirements – Many, many power stones or a similarly potent energy source. A direct connection to the god of an order aligned afterlife. A priest in good standing of said god. A functional knowledge of non-living animate constructs.
Plan – Convince Gazul to let some vengeful Dwarfs temporarily return to the world of the living. Provide earth elemental/metal construct/ulgu shadow-mist bodies for them to inhabit.
Result – Religious schisms, cultural upheavals, political condemnations, an army of Vengeful Intelligent Undead Constructs loyal to the Karaz Ankor and ALL THE CREDIT!
Side benefit – Prototype for pulling the same thing with Morr.
And BoneyM replied by quoting himself:
The Sally Port of Gazul, lost, and now every Dwarf fallen far from the protection of Gazul's priests is defenceless.

So it's probably feasible.

Personally, I think probably is not just powered by the waystones, it probably uses them somehow to project it's effect at a distance and detect the Dwarf fallen. Which means we might be able to hook our own version up to the waystone network and gain the same ability to project power at a distance by piggybacking off the already installed capacity. That's a maybe, admittedly.
 
You are making very declarative statements on what making a biosphere in a barren soil involves for a Jade Wizard.
I am certain you can cite your sources. :V

You're making some rather rash assumptions about how much of this was the direct work of Pan instead of the literal thousands of halflings involved. :V

I guess the actual farmers in your mind just sat there twiddling their thumbs with no idea of what to do.
 
It quite literally is.

There is a green magic spell to literally make crops bloom nigh instantaneously. It's very very easy for a green magister to feed people if they want, throw in Waystone access and it's even more ridiculously trivial.
Worth noting that BoneyM's already weighed in on what Panoramia does, and it's more complex than just repeatedly casting a single spell:
She just casts spring bloom, that is the extent of her magical work.
It really isn't.
We don't know exactly how what she does is more complex or involved, but word of Boney is that is it.
 
[X] [ROMANCE] Magister Johann
[X] [ROMANCE] Journeywoman Panoramia
[X] Belegar, to discuss the northern Karaks and the Expedition.
[X] Kasmir, to see how he's keeping himself busy in Sylvania.
[X] Eike Hochschild, to get to know your future business partner.
 
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Pun intended?
You already made a claim that all Pan does is cast a single spell over and over, Boney stated that you were wrong.
If you want to make further claims on how easy her job is, you really need to provide better sources than "i said so".

OK, one last time:

Ghyran
Ghyran, the Lore of Life, is the Green Wind of Magic often described by Imperial Magisters as the embodiment of the Aethyr's momentum towards growth and the need to nourish and be nourished. Ghyran is the Aethyr's echo and mirror of fertility and the nurturing aspects of mortal life. This brimming energy has granted the spells powered by Ghyran their title as the "Lore of Life".
Concerned with healing, curatives, and the magic of plants, these powerful spells are wielded by the Jade Wizards with great respect. Known by common folk as "Druids," these Magisters wax and wane with the seasons as they are closely tied to the land and its spirit — the Wind of Ghyran.
Ghyran is said to fall upon the mortal world in a manner similar to rainfall upon the earth. Those with witchsight claim to be able to see Ghyran form into pools and swirling eddies of green-hued magical energy that gradually form into rivers, flowing across the land like water, though unbound by physical laws.[7a]
When the Winds of Magic blow most strongly, Ghyran flows across the lands like a great tide, sinking into the soil and drawn to the rivers, waterways, lakes, and springs of the mortal world. Its energy is particularly attracted to water and saturates the earth with its life-giving power. It is drawn up through the roots of all plants it comes into contact with, feeding all living things, and encouraging their growth.

It is quite literally the magic of plants and water.If growing things on formerly barren soil is not fundamental to its function I'm honestly not sure what is
 
You're making some rather rash assumptions about how much of this was the direct work of Pan instead of the literal thousands of halflings involved. :V

I guess the actual farmers in your mind just sat there twiddling their thumbs with no idea of what to do.
Creating a biosphere out of nowhere is something we would struggle.
The number of halflings is no doubt important, but making claim that Pans job is easy or basic and she could easily be replaced is utterly baseless assumption.
And also assumes halflings are idiots overpaying a journeyman magister rates.
 
Worth noting that BoneyM's already weighed in on what Panoramia does, and it's more complex than just repeatedly casting a single spell:

We don't know exactly how what she does is more complex or involved, but word of Boney is that is it.

Yes I'm sure there's a fair amount of physical and intellectual labour involved but I'm damn sure there's nothing happening on the magical side that is unique or else I would expect to have heard about the Nagash tier life mage that's making new jade magic despite being a journeyman.

There's nothing on her character sheet to suggest that she's doing anything remotely like that and what ever else you might think that's pretty much Mathildes insight into Pans abilities.
 
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OK, one last time:

Ghyran
Ghyran, the Lore of Life, is the Green Wind of Magic often described by Imperial Magisters as the embodiment of the Aethyr's momentum towards growth and the need to nourish and be nourished. Ghyran is the Aethyr's echo and mirror of fertility and the nurturing aspects of mortal life. This brimming energy has granted the spells powered by Ghyran their title as the "Lore of Life".
Concerned with healing, curatives, and the magic of plants, these powerful spells are wielded by the Jade Wizards with great respect. Known by common folk as "Druids," these Magisters wax and wane with the seasons as they are closely tied to the land and its spirit — the Wind of Ghyran.
Ghyran is said to fall upon the mortal world in a manner similar to rainfall upon the earth. Those with witchsight claim to be able to see Ghyran form into pools and swirling eddies of green-hued magical energy that gradually form into rivers, flowing across the land like water, though unbound by physical laws.[7a]
When the Winds of Magic blow most strongly, Ghyran flows across the lands like a great tide, sinking into the soil and drawn to the rivers, waterways, lakes, and springs of the mortal world. Its energy is particularly attracted to water and saturates the earth with its life-giving power. It is drawn up through the roots of all plants it comes into contact with, feeding all living things, and encouraging their growth.

It is quite literally the magic of plants and water.If growing things on formerly barren soil is not fundamental to its function I'm honestly not sure what is
That has nothing to do with the point of contention.
You claim that Pans job is easy, and have claimed (falsely, by word of Boney) that is is just casting one spell again and again.
If you want to keep claiming that Pans job is easy, you need more evidence to back your claims.

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Yes I'm sure there's a fair amount of physical and intellectual labour involved but I'm damn sure there's nothing happening on the magical side or else I would expect to have heard about the Nagash tier life mage that's making new jade magic despite being a journeyman.

There's nothing on her character sheet to suggest that she's doing anything remotely like that and what ever else you might think that's pretty much Mathildes insight into Pans abilities.
Maybe there is nothing magically impressive going on, so what?
Things can be impressive and difficult without magic involved.
Or maybe there is something super impressive magic going on, but we don't know, because we are never paying any attention to our food sources.
 
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Creating a biosphere out of nowhere is something we would struggle.
The number of halflings is no doubt important, but making claim that Pans job is easy or basic and she could easily be replaced is utterly baseless assumption.
And also assumes halflings are idiots overpaying a journeyman magister rates.

Paying someone magister rates just mean you think she is as skilled as a magister, not that she alone can grow your crops.
 
I don't think tackling Panoramia abilities as a wizard will swing votes on either directions.
Is she replaceable? yes, so is Johann. And every duckling, but a new Jade Wizard would have to win all those halfling favors again and start from scratch on notes, where Pan has the project ongoing.

Rather than the magnitude and importance of what she does, it would make more sense to discuss if what she does is interesting.
Magically isolated biosphere? The concept is interesting but personally I would like it if engineered to grow magical flora. Could she do it? Probably. Should she do it? No, she was HIRED to help grow the fields, its not her personal fief, divided loyalties and all that. If Mathilde ever be given a "mundane" assignment would she distort it? Probable not.
But thats what makes me think Pam loses to Johann in the MAGICAL side. Mathilde would very hardly, if ever, be given a "mundane" assignment. Johann may not be a nerd reasercher but he head dives deep into his wind.
 
That has nothing to do with the point of contention.
You claim that Pans job is easy, and have claimed (falsely, by word of Boney) that is is just casting one spell again and again.
If you want to keep claiming that Pans job is easy, you need more evidence to back your claims.

Nope, that is a strawman. I claimed that most magisters could do her job and what is unique are the circumstances of the Caldera. With that I am done with this argument. It's getting stressful and I think pointless.
 
Nope, that is a strawman. I claimed that most magisters could do her job and what is unique are the circumstances of the Caldera. With that I am done with this argument. It's getting stressful and I think pointless.
You literally made a claim she only casts one spell (and were proven wrong).
And if most magisters could do it, then it is (relatively) easy.
Neither have been proven, and one has been proven false.
And, again, wizards are mor than spell lists, even if her spell list is accurate (it may not be), does not mean you can plop any magister with identical spell list and expect them to perform equally well.
 
Yes I'm sure there's a fair amount of physical and intellectual labour involved but I'm damn sure there's nothing happening on the magical side that is unique or else I would expect to have heard about the Nagash tier life mage that's making new jade magic despite being a journeyman.

There's nothing on her character sheet to suggest that she's doing anything remotely like that and what ever else you might think that's pretty much Mathildes insight into Pans abilities.
Except BoneyM explicitly stated, when talking about the specific topic of how Pan is using magic in her work, that it involves more than just casting a single spell. How that works out I don't know, but I'm going to assume that they know what they're talking about.
 
In an effort to shift discussion a bit, I'd like to discuss the positive benefits of a romantic relationship with Anton. I'm sure a lot of you have read this already from much more eloquent writers than me, so I'll try and keep it brief.

1. Anton has always gotten along very well with us. He is friendly, personable, cheery and wants the best for people. When we are serious, he approaches the situation with gravity, and when we want to joke around, he provides the perfect accomplice to run our jokes with. 'Box of Shadows', gosh, I still can't get over how perfect that was.

2. In both good and bad times, Anton has endeavored to stand with us and do the best he can for us, including quitting his influential and very cushy job as diplomat, personally funding and equipping the dwarfen expedition and even trying to argue with himself that he should come along personally before giving up (I view both his desire to come with us and his ultimate decision to see to his duties as strong positive character traits).

3. We've already met Anton's close family, his father, and not only does he seem to approve of us, he genuinely appears to enjoy our company and we also enjoyed our time with him.

4. As Omegahugger says, he is indeed very adorable.

I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot, so feel free to chime in so I can add things.
 
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Anton is great, also our brother.
We should spend more nonromantic time with Anton.
Once this whole romance thing is done with.
 
Ugh, the debate between Johann and Panoramia got fierce and then got circular and prolonged and... and somehow, it's the freaking dragon that's winning a lot. And nobody's even arguing for the dragon at all, just voting and ugh. And it's the one vote I least want to see win, too.

Just... everybody who's voting for the dragon, if you're voting for him 'just because you want to social a dragon', can you please hold off a turn? Just one turn?

For those of us that want a romance, and that want a romance with a human, with somebody who's our freakin' age and culture and all, rather than somebody a hundred or a thousand times older and a non-humanoid race to boot. >< Like, seriously, is it too much to ask we pick somebody who's a human? For romance?

Look, everybody will be interested in talking to the dragon. You can be pretty darn sure he'll win social votes. So even next, he'll likely win any vote, too. But currently, it's romance-tagged, and I don't want to see Anton or Johann or even Panoramia lose out in romance to a dragon just because people are curious about a dragon and... argh.
Once a course is plotted the rest of the candidates will once more be available platonic interactions.
So if we pick anybody else than the dragon, then next turn we can just pick the dragon as a non romance option, right?

Whereas for those of us wanting a romance with a human, we're stuck seeing if the dragon romance gets anywhere at all first, and only then can we return to the field?
 
In an effort to shift discussion a bit, I'd like to discuss the positive benefits of a romantic relationship with Anton. I'm sure a lot of you have read this already from much more eloquent writers than me, so I'll try and keep it brief.

1. Anton has always gotten along very well with us. He is friendly, personable, cheery and wants the best for people. When we are serious, he approaches the situation with gravity, and when we want to joke around, he provides the perfect accomplice to run our jokes with. 'Box of Shadows', gosh, I still can't get over how perfect that was.

2. In both good and bad times, Anton has endeavored to stand with us and do the best he can for us, including quitting his influential and very cushy job as diplomat, personally funding and equipping the dwarfen expedition and even trying to argue with himself that he should come along personally before giving up (I view both his desire to come with us and his ultimate decision to see to his duties as strong positive character traits).

3. We've already met Anton's close family, his father, and not only does he seem to approve of us, he genuinely appears to enjoy our company and we also enjoyed our time with him.

I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot, so feel free to chime in so I can add things.
I actually agree with the points you're making here about how the two interact, I just don't feel that their relationship is romantic. They feel like brother and sister to me, and that's arguably an even more precious relationship given Mathilde's history with her former family.
 
Except BoneyM explicitly stated, when talking about the specific topic of how Pan is using magic in her work, that it involves more than just casting a single spell. How that works out I don't know, but I'm going to assume that they know what they're talking about.

Nah, you're taking BoneyMs response further than is justified, all he said is that her work in total is more than just casting Spring bloom over and over. Nothing about that response requires unique magical insights now maybe she's using other standard Green magic spells beyond spring bloom wouldn't surprise me but if she's using genuinely unique spells I'm shocked it's not come up at all.
 
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I am genuinely surprised the dragon is winning honestly. I was not that impressed by him.
 
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[X] Belegar, to discuss the northern Karaks and the Expedition.
Because Belegar and because it is actually relevant to our current activities.

[X] Elder Hluodwica, High Priestess of Esmerelda and civilian leader of the Eight Peaks Halflings.
Because it is a shameful display that we have yet to talk with her.

[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart, leader of the frontier town of Ulrikadrin.
Because he will probably be coming to hell and is thus relevant. Plus I would like to know how interacting with a Wizard ambassador has changed his views.

[X] Kasmir, to see how he's keeping himself busy in Sylvania.
Because I want to see him before we go to hell and doubt he will win a 'who sees you off' vote.

[X] Eike Hochschild, to get to know your future business partner.
Because she is still young and impressionable. It is practically our duty as a Grey Wizard to protect / take advantage of her.

[X] The Gold College, to see what's become of their research into Skaven technology.
[X] Follow up on your donation of the Skaven organ-vat, and see what has been made of it.
Because I find Progress interesting.

Now for the contentious one.

[X] [ROMANCE] Journeywoman Panoramia
Pan is my romance choice because I believe (in large part due to Vebyast's arguments) she is the only one who would be more 'partner' and less 'project'. She is an equal, not a subordinate.


On a side note I feel people need to keep in mind what they are actually voting for. It is my understanding (and @BoneyM can correct me if I am wrong) that all the [ROMANCE] actions guarantee is that Mathilde will express interest. There is no certainty that the other character will be receptive. Or that the two will be able to make things work between them. As the recent Study Coin action showed; just because Mathilde and the thread think something is viable doesn't mean it actually is.

Consider that Cython is an Emperor Dragon. They are by definition one of the oldest creatures on the planet, gods included. It is entirely possible that Cython predates the Slann. They might have academic interest in a magic using human and they might want her for her library, but emotional attachment seems highly unlikely. At least for the first few decades of their acquaintanceship.
On the other hand there is arguably much entertainment for us readers and much character development for Mathilde in having her advances shot down by the biggest nerd on the continent. If such interests you then by all means vote for it. Just be aware of what you are voting for and tailor your expectations appropriately.

Hubert... honestly I'm not sure what Hubert wants.
He want to be a noble knight of Ulric without having to chisel off the chunk of his soul that lets him fly unaided. With his ambassador position he has basically achieved that as much as it can be achieved. He probably also has the usual noble knight ambitions: Fame, glory and recognition. Hence why he is eager to follow Mathilde through the gates of hell.

Oh and he may want to deepen his romance with a certain lady knight, but that isn't really Mathilde's business is it? ;)
 
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[X] [ROMANCE] Journeywoman Panoramia

[X] Eike Hochschild, to get to know your future business partner.
[X] Gretel, who's apparently spending her newly-earned wealth to make herself at home.
[X] Belegar, to discuss the northern Karaks and the Expedition.
[X] Elder Hluodwica, High Priestess of Esmerelda and civilian leader of the Eight Peaks Halflings.
[] Barak Varr, to watch the progress of the canal.

I really want to get an Eike social in so we can get a read on the future of the EIC.

We've been neglecting Gretel a bit compared to the other ducklings, so I want to check in with her.

Belegar is almost always an autopick, and we haven't spoken to him recently.

Hluodwica and Barak Varr are both things that are long overdue.
 
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