- Location
- Finland
Why does the work being difficult have to require spells?
Like, agriculture is hard as it is without any magic involved.
Maybe Pan is just smart, well educated, hard working, and also uses some magic.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
- Start date
- Fantasy Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Like, agriculture is hard as it is without any magic involved.
Maybe Pan is just smart, well educated, hard working, and also uses some magic.
- Location
- North Wales
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
You're making quite the assumption that large numbers of those voting for the dragon just want to socialise, rather than go for a romantic relationship if there's one there. Particularly since every vote cast has a big fat [] ROMANCE tag next to it.
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The update explicitly states it's romantic and every post I've seen in favour of the dragon is aware of that too. This assumption that people are ignorant or uncaring of that is doing a disservice to your fellow thread participants.
...Yes. People who want things that don't win the majority vote are 'stuck' with not getting what they want. That's built in to the entire concept of voting.
She is Doing Druid Things. If Mathilde knew more than that, Panoramia would have to either kill or marry her.
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- Location
- USA
[x] [ROMANCE] Journeywoman Panoramia
[x] Belegar, to discuss the northern Karaks and the Expedition.
[x] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart, leader of the frontier town of Ulrikadrin.
[x] Eike Hochschild, to get to know your future business partner.
[x] Belegar, to discuss the northern Karaks and the Expedition.
[x] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart, leader of the frontier town of Ulrikadrin.
[x] Eike Hochschild, to get to know your future business partner.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
@BoneyM Is Mathilde's heavy leaning on math, grids and modular spells a nod to the fact that her very first spell and paper was the Matrix and an expression of her own approach to spellwork? Because if so, it is really flavorful and I like it a lot.
But for all I know Ulgu, or Teclisian magical theory in general, is simply very math heavy for everyone.
The idea that she took Skywalk and rewrote a dumbed down version of it in Basic until it takes as little memory and CPU power as possible, yet still somehow compiles is also very cool. Of course typing out 11 weird lines of code using only your soul is a silly thing that no sane person would do just to cast Skywalk.
Anyway, is the insight that some spells can in fact be miniaturized and rewritten worth a paper all on its own?
Regarding the Romance, I think that there should be a discussion and maybe even a separate vote on who and how many people we want to romance simultaneously. Because if the majority of people here are in favor of monogamy but are also either divided on who to choose or even okay with multiple different options as long as it's only one of them then it could get awkward if Mathy approaches 3+ people.
But for all I know Ulgu, or Teclisian magical theory in general, is simply very math heavy for everyone.
The idea that she took Skywalk and rewrote a dumbed down version of it in Basic until it takes as little memory and CPU power as possible, yet still somehow compiles is also very cool. Of course typing out 11 weird lines of code using only your soul is a silly thing that no sane person would do just to cast Skywalk.
Anyway, is the insight that some spells can in fact be miniaturized and rewritten worth a paper all on its own?
Regarding the Romance, I think that there should be a discussion and maybe even a separate vote on who and how many people we want to romance simultaneously. Because if the majority of people here are in favor of monogamy but are also either divided on who to choose or even okay with multiple different options as long as it's only one of them then it could get awkward if Mathy approaches 3+ people.
Because she is a wizard not a farmhand. It is her fundamental skill set and the thing she trained to do most of her life.
"a hundred or a thousand" not "hundred thousand"@Garlak the dragon is at most 300 times older not a hundred thousand. much more reasonable.
Seriously age is just a number and Mathilde is a creature of magic as much as flesh. Go dragon.
And I don't think I agree with that.
No, not everyone just wants to socialize. But maybe some of them do, so I'm vaguely hoping to convince those.
But on the other hand, there isn't a non-romance tag option either.
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Yeah, true, I guess I'm just hoping that if some people are voting for that reason, then maybe my please (request?) might move people.
... Or annoy people further I guess. That's probably more likely. =/
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Cut out the human / dragon divide, and you'll find plenty of other fields that everybody fits into that the others don't share.
Panoramia, for example, is a Panoramia. For anybody wanting romance with a non-panoramia, we'd be stuck seeing if the panoramia romance gets anywhere at all first, and only then can we return to the field.
But when it's put that way, it sounds sort of mean? Even if I don't like the Panoramia option, I don't want to word it in a way where I sound like it's so incredibly obvious what's wrong with her that I'm baffled that anybody could choose her.
That is to say that I know why people want Panoramia, and even if I dislike them I can argue about her merits as an option, not as somebody who obviously isn't supposed to be an option.
- Location
- Finland
Again shitting of agricultural workers.
Is Mathilde nothing but a spell list to you?
So, everyone's in agreement that we have great chemistry with Anton and have a close relationship with him. Well...I suppose that's good. I mean, it's pretty clear that Anton is at least willing to see the relationship as romantic, considering he asked us to marry him already. But if you see Mathilde as unwilling to reciprocate on that end, I suppose that would be a reasonable development of her character.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
I never claimed she had unique insight, just that your original claim about how what she's doing with her magic is easy:
Is inaccurate. Word of GM is that there's more to it than just repeatedly casting the 'insta-crops' spell, which is how you originally portrayed the matter. Whether that's calculating exactly when and where she can cast it without causing soil exhaustion, using a modified form that is less dramatic but longer-lasting, just plain feeding ghyran into the ground, or something else entirely I don't know. But it's more than what you originally characterised it as.
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SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Because agricultural work no matter how vital is boring to read about, the only thing that would make it interesting is the magic side of things and I'm pretty sure unless Boney States otherwise she's leaning heavily into Spring bloom and Vital Growth, perhaps even with a mastery in one or both of those spells still not particularly interesting, if we romance any one I don't want their scenes to just revolve around the connection to Mathilde but the things they do in their day to day life.
The Things panoramia gets up to in her day to day life are boring.
I'm literally expressing what her skills are. Maybe the issue is with how you choose to read my comment and not with what I actually wrote.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
So... what you're saying is that in this case, romance is a path to a deeper understanding of magic?
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SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Okay if you say so, but I have to admit, it's beginning to feel a little silly the number of things where each college turns out to be a hide bound institute allowed to murder any one for knowing their secrets. The colleges are not the dwarven rune smiths and they would legally have no legs to stand on in the Empire if they wanted to do so.
- Location
- Finland
1. I disagree.
2. How is that relevant?
You do not know what her skill are, or what she is doing with them.
you have alreadybeen proven wrong once about what Pan does, please provide actual evidence for any further claims.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
- Location
- Behind the Keyboard.
[X] [ROMANCE] Magister Johann
[X] [ROMANCE] Baron Anton Kiesinger II
[X] [ROMANCE] Journeywoman Panoramia
[X] Kasmir, to see how he's keeping himself busy in Sylvania.
[X] Julia, to see what she has gotten up to as Stirland's most experienced spy master.
[X] Eike Hochschild, to get to know your future business partner.
[X] Barak Varr, to watch the progress of the canal.
[X] Follow up on your donation of the Skaven organ-vat, and see what has been made of it.
[X] [ROMANCE] Baron Anton Kiesinger II
[X] [ROMANCE] Journeywoman Panoramia
[X] Kasmir, to see how he's keeping himself busy in Sylvania.
[X] Julia, to see what she has gotten up to as Stirland's most experienced spy master.
[X] Eike Hochschild, to get to know your future business partner.
[X] Barak Varr, to watch the progress of the canal.
[X] Follow up on your donation of the Skaven organ-vat, and see what has been made of it.
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Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
...I'm now sad that Panoramia was already my primary romance target, because now I can't shift over just for that.
Expect a lot of people have said 'don't want to romance the dragon, just want to build friendship with the dragon' as their reason for voting.
Probably because they didn't get any chances to interact with him before the romance votes.
She is a trained wizard of the Jade College, thus I expect that her most advanced skill is actually using Jade Magic. That seems entirely reasonable to me, I do not feel that needs any further proof.
- Location
- The Space Between
them. No confirmed gender either way at this point
[X] [ROMANCE] Journeywoman Panoramia
I come from agricultural area.
Panoramia is an incredibly ambitious agriculturalist.
These people think in terms of years and decades. They're attuned to plants and seasons. They're very slow and measured.
Panoramia's trajectory is going to be climbing upward sharply as soon as she begins to harvest.
You're also rather callously under-estimating how difficult agriculture is. I don't care if you boiled the whole field, that should actually kill the soil deader than anything which is a really bad thing.
And the corpses we have for use are Skaven and Grobi. Both known for corruptive, nasty last "gifts".
Christ we don't even have to be interested in her work. That's not what relationships are about. And I actually am very interested in her affinity for Waystones and desire to research them more. The Jade College is one of the most "non-elf" colleges due to the massive folding-in of prior human tribal druidic traditions (the other being the shamans of Ghur). That interests me a great deal tbh
but the romance is with Panoramia, the lady that sees our big soulbound wolf as a puppy we got from that tricky thief god. The lady that wanted to help so bad she was repeat casting medium magic to help more. The lady that scouted for plants, found poisons, and is currently growing and manufacturing additional poison for military use. The lady that isn't intimidated by us and is willing to be playful and be in on the joke even if nobody else has seen it yet.
I mean. I'm all for being Mathilde the Badass. But Anton and Panoramia know Mathy the Silly too and that's precious xP
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NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
I'll be honest, BoneyM is one of the few GMs I would actually trust to make reading about agriculture interesting. Especially since this isn't just standard agriculture, but magically and druidically enhanced agriculture.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
How is anything relevant when discussing the merits of a romance vote in a quest where ultimately what we're really deciding is which character ends up getting narrative importance and we will be reading more about.
Pans mission is fundamentally boring, like the concept its self is neat but the details are not going to be interesting to read about, this is a preference. Something I would think a lot of people probably agree about given that most novels that sell well don't focus on the plucky farmer that goes about farming. The details of farming are boring. It's hard work but reading about it isn't stimulating, if we vote for Pan it's the kind of stuff that will be in the story more and i'm not interested.
Mathilde the character doesn't. We the player base do because we the player base aren't Mathilde.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
He's adorable.
Like, a dedicated Antonite could and probably should dig through the thread and find tons of moments of Anton being an absolute cinnamon roll, and that is probably the strongest argument you can make in favour of any option.
You'll note that despite the paragraphs of passionate speeches the Cythonians have produced, most of the people voting for it cite the simple yet effective statement "because dragon".