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@Boney just to confirm, if we bartered the Ithilmar for books from the Library of Mournings, would we still be restricted to non-military non-magic books, or would the ban be lifted and we'd be allowed to access those topics?
 
@Boney just to confirm, if we bartered the Ithilmar for books from the Library of Mournings, would we still be restricted to non-military non-magic books, or would the ban be lifted and we'd be allowed to access those topics?
I feel like getting magic knowledge would necessitate getting at least some of the College's own knowledge in return. Magic for magic.

This is wealth for wealth.
 
@Boney just to confirm, if we bartered the Ithilmar for books from the Library of Mournings, would we still be restricted to non-military non-magic books, or would the ban be lifted and we'd be allowed to access those topics?

Considering it was paid for with a military resource, the blanket restrictions on military topics and part of that on magical would be lifted. No full-on spellbooks, but books on magical theory and magical critters and whatnot seem like fair game.
 
Is it really a disadvantage for a pre-industrial , agrarian society to have a ruler who doesn't do much in winter but is then constantly active in the spring and summer? If anything I think it's a bonus.
The green tinted skin mark might be a nail in the coffin for his hopes of ever getting elected emperor though.

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I really like the idea of Mathilde getting to handle this personally. Although now I'm wondering what kind of culture shock a Human or Halfling would experience from landing in Altdorf after growing up in a Dwarven Karak.
 
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Ideally, I'd say the Light or Bright Orders would be the best bet in that regard, the former more so.
I think I disagree with both of these. As previously said, they have (earned) reputations for aloofness and arrogance, neither of which we want to cultivate.

I think we should go to the Examination so we can push Mandred in the direction of the Gold Order.
This I agree with. Gold is the wind of logic and reason, and I think having Mandred learn the natural sciences (such as the periodic table!) could unlock some really interesting things for him later on.

Also - not all golds gild themselves. Max, for instance.

That being said, I would like to exert what influence we gain from that vote to influence the Gold college to take good care of him. We have more contacts there than most other colleges, with Max and Johann, though it would be hilarious to put him in the light order and make him apprentice of Egrimm.
 
Considering it was paid for with a military resource, the blanket restrictions on military topics and part of that on magical would be lifted. No full-on spellbooks, but books on magical theory and magical critters and whatnot seem like fair game.
This sounds like a lot better use of the trade than loads of money that we don't need and can get elsewhere. Frankly, any non-cash deal sounds better than getting money.
 
You also get a large amount of newer copies of extremely old books about Nehekhara, and you have to exert a significant amount of willpower to not sink yourself into days of reading after you discover that it includes books written in the immediate aftermath of the Great Ritual, by Dwarves who had known the living that the mercurial Tomb-Kings had replaced. You settle for a satisfying hour spent separating out the relevant books that had previously been filed under Undead.

@Boney Is Mathilde delving into these Dwarf books an option? I quite like xenofiction, and first-hand accounts of ancient Nehekhara and its fall written from the perspective of Dwarves of that era sound fascinating, if you have ideas for them.

But if it would be pure exposition, I'd prefer not. That would be more appropriate when/if we actually get involved in Nehekharan matters, anyway.
 
You're right about arrogance, but Paranoia is not really that bad when you consider that as an Elector Count, he'd absolutely have reason to be worried about having enemies - it'd be reasonable to double-check certain things. Overall, it's not that any one Wind would be perfect, but I'm sure he can live with them. They're known phenomena, and I'm sure if he got either of those two he'd get a reality check from his superiors.
Sure he'd have reason to be worried about having enemies, but at the same time you know what you call someone who isn't your enemy but you decide must be your enemy? An enemy. Paranoia has an incredible capacity to create it's own enemies, especially in a feudal structure.
 
@Boney Is Mathilde delving into these Dwarf books an option? I quite like xenofiction, and first-hand accounts of ancient Nehekhara and its fall written from the perspective of Dwarves of that era sound fascinating, if you have ideas for them.

But if it would be pure exposition, I'd prefer not. That would be more appropriate when/if we actually get involved in Nehekharan matters, anyway.

I don't know what sort of xenofiction:exposition ratio it would actually produce, but I'm willing to take a swing at it if people are willing to vote for it. Added:
[ ] Reading on Nehekhara
You recently acquired a great many Dwarven books on Nehekhara, including ones written in the direct aftermath of the Great Ritual by Dwarves who had known the Nehekharans when they still lived. It's unlikely your official duties will ever require you to delve too deeply into the topic, so the only way to indulge your curiosity is to dedicate some of your leisure time to the task.
 
That's still a staggering fivefold return on your initial investment.
This one tripped me up a bit. I remember that gold was seven times as heavy as stone so it was probably many more times as heavy as "light as silk" ithilmar, so even counting opportunity cost and wages and all that, mere fivefold return seemed comparatively little. Then I googled the numbers. Turns out silk has a density of about 1300 kg/m3, while gold has 19,320 kg/m3, meaning gold's only fourteen times as dense as silk. Silk being only half as dense as rock was quite a surprise.
 
The first two money options are about Mathilde getting a massive personal payday - one immediately in coin, and another a little less immediately in jewels, but in a way that's still available for Lothern.

The EIC option will boost the EIC's income, but it's not going to be as good as Getting Mathilde Paid as the other two are. It is trading off some of the personal earning power for increasing the EIC's reach, which for Mathilde means as a spy network.

And frankly, I don't think that's a good tradeoff. We just don't use the EIC all that much. I know some threadgoers feel that we ought to be using it more - and they might be right - but given that we know the EIC are going to be expanding to use the Schadensumpf in the coming years anyway we'd have to immediately heavily increase our usage of it for this to be worthwhile, and I just don't think it is. I'd rather get fat stacks of cash to taunt the Bursar with.

Now on the other hand, depending on how expensive it'd be, copying the Library of Mourning with Barter might be pretty tempting...
In the long term trade goods likely gets us the most money as our passive income increases.
 
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Dragomas is forming a panel of eight Wizards from the eight Orders to determine the most suitable fit for a certain child of nobility. Be the Grey Order's representative on that panel.
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There's apparently some sort of Witch Hunter snooping around Gretel's lands. She'd absolutely be capable of dealing with it, but you'd be able to do so faster and would have more fun doing it.

Easily my picks by a wide margin - these all seem like massive fun and/or intrigue.
 
This one tripped me up a bit. I remember that gold was seven times as heavy as stone so it was probably many more times as heavy as "light as silk" ithilmar, so even counting opportunity cost and wages and all that, mere fivefold return seemed comparatively little. Then I googled the numbers. Turns out silk has a density of about 1300 kg/m3, while gold has 19,320 kg/m3, meaning gold's only fourteen times as dense as silk. Silk being only half as dense as rock was quite a surprise.

For the back-of-the-envelope maths I handwaved away all the shipping costs and did the sums as if Ithilmar was slightly lighter than titanium. I figure part of how ithilmar chainmail manages to be as 'light as silk' is that it's chain, it's mostly hole instead of a solid layer of material.
 
I'm in favor of mandred going anywhere we have our tendrils, though i recognize some as suboptimal.
Lights? Esteemed Lord Magister Egrimm can teach him.
Blues? well, we could kick hubert up the ass and tell him to get promoted and teach our godson, but he doesnt feel like it. still an option.
Ambers? While its not a good idea, EsbernAndSeija could use a small one.
Greys? Well, yeah. Doesnt even have to be us teaching him. Make algard do it.
Jades? Pan's busy for a few years, but hey!
Brights? Adela needs some motivation to get promoted
Amethysts? Gretel can teach him about magic AND running a state
Golds? Oh JOHANN~
if it came down to it id vote lights- egrimm's got the rank and some achievement-clout, he could do with the responsibility.
 
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They would be the best solution for that, it's more value than the gold.
At the same time they're a bit harder to move, and if we sell too many at once we risk devaluing the rest for at least the short term (unless we make a point of selling them all over the place, but that adds in travel times, etc, as other complications).
 
I'm a little concerned about the tree, I gotta say. Please tell me we ran this by Belegar ahead of time?
Belegar's first, second and last response to any query regarding non-rune magic is to forward the question to his magic expert: Loremaster Lady Magister Mathilde Weber.
And his response to any plant related queries is likely to forward it to his plant expert: Magister Panoramia.

Pretty easily, but it would be straining the friendship. If she's willing to put up her EIC shares as collateral she could get it from any number of places.
Actually quite tempted by that. The only way we would fail to pay it back would be if the EIC was crippled or destroyed. Or Mathilde died I suppose.
 
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I don't know what sort of xenofiction:exposition ratio it would actually produce, but I'm willing to take a swing at it if people are willing to vote for it. Added:
[ ] Reading on Nehekhara
You recently acquired a great many Dwarven books on Nehekhara, including ones written in the direct aftermath of the Great Ritual by Dwarves who had known the Nehekharans when they still lived. It's unlikely your official duties will ever require you to delve too deeply into the topic, so the only way to indulge your curiosity is to dedicate some of your leisure time to the task.

Cool, thank you. :smile:

Honestly I'm not sure xenofiction was entirely the right word, but I'm frequently surprised reading things like Belegar's interludes and such. They seem entirely human in perspective until suddenly some small detail jumps out and makes me think "....huh."

On reflection, I think the "xeno" feel probably comes from radically different cultural foundations than the more common definition of a difference in species.
 
Considering it was paid for with a military resource, the blanket restrictions on military topics and part of that on magical would be lifted. No full-on spellbooks, but books on magical theory and magical critters and whatnot seem like fair game.
To be clear, would this be just for Mathilde's share? Could we go Barter (lift military book restriction; Trade Goods on the rest)?
 
Tbh I'm leaning towards training Mandred ourselves. For multiple reasons. As a secret Ranaldian I'm sure he has the experience skills to stay a secret Ranaldian, but there's still a risk.
 
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